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Post by A Statement By SHAUN on Mar 13, 2016 6:38:39 GMT -6
I just can't believe the things she is saying in this article!! You think if you were AD and had donors willing to pay to go to a tournament that the players, coaches, and fans wanted to be a part of, that you would be supportive and let them go! It's like she doesn't want them to succeed. This is just so crazy I can't wrap my head around it. |
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Post by panther9193 on Mar 13, 2016 8:20:23 GMT -6
I have absolutely no problem with some of her quotes in that piece. I am happy to hear that she has goals set and wants us to be near the top of the Horizon League every season. However, as many have pointed out already, these tournaments have been springboards to success for a number of teams. If she is serious about reaching the goals she has set I think one of these tournaments would be a great way to work towards them. I also feel the players deserve it after staying with the program through last season's ban. If we had finished in 3rd with the same record would she be accepting a bid right now? I actually don't have any issues with those goals either: 1. Strive to be a Top 100 team (Jeter team average is 162 RPI (157 SOS average) based on realtimerpi.com stats) 2. Goal to win the Horizon League (Jeter teams have 2 regular season championships and 2 conference tournament championships in 11 years). 3. Expectation is finish in the top three of the league every year (Jeter teams have finished in the top three 3 times out of 11 and have averaged between a 4th/5th Place finish over 11 years). Unfortunately, those stats have been trending downward (190 RPI average, 195 SOS average, 0 regular season championships, 1 conference tournament championship, 1 top three regular season conference finish and an average of between a 5th/6th Place finish over the last five years). With that, not going to the Vegas post-season tournament only makes sense if Braun intends to fire Jeter and staff this week so she can use the NCAA Tournament time to find a replacement. Going to the Vegas tournament would delay that by a minimum of two weeks. If she doesn't intend to fire him this week, not going to Vegas makes no sense, especially when donors were willing to pay for it. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 13, 2016 9:18:54 GMT -6
I don't think many on this board would argue against firing Jeter.
I just think 95% of the people on this board don't want Amanda Braun within 100 miles of hiring the next coach.
They'd be right.
When she fired Greg Henschel from women's soccer, she made a good choice. So who did she hire? Troy Fabiano, who had been head coach at Parkside for 20 years and had been to a handful of NCAA Tournaments over the years, but never made a huge splash. He's essentially done there what Rob has done here with men's basketball - you know, results like Rob's are good enough to hire them but not good enough to merit a postseason?
Anyways, I bring up women's soccer because she hired Fabiano. The jury is still out on him, so I won't slam him. What I will do, however, is highlight who she didn't hire - David Nikolic.
For those who don't know David Nikolic, he's basically the human representation of Milwaukee Panthers Soccer. A player in the 1990's, David became top assistant to new coach Michael Moynihan. In 16 years running the program, the two turned our women's soccer program into a world beater. They were so good that you questioned why they DIDN'T beat a Big Ten team. We watched them tear apart schools like Michigan and Ohio State. The only time they'd lose by a big margin was if they were playing the absolute elite, like teams that went on to the Final Four.
The Panthers chased Penn State for the longest time for the NCAA lead in consecutive seasons with a conference regular season championship. The only years Milwaukee missed the NCAA Tournament were when they got upset in the HLT. The Panthers ended up overtaking Penn State right after Moynihan and Nikolic left for Northwestern. Rick Costello passed on promoting Nikolic, ignoring the pleas of every player on the roster and plenty of alumni.
Nikolic and Moynihan were very involved in local club soccer - apaladino can explain just how intertwined they are with the local clubs better than I can - and Nikolic has been the coach of local clubs forever (you can do both in soccer if you coach the other gender in club).
In recruiting, they alternated between #1 and #3 in the Midwest with Notre Dame and Marquette annually. If a kid in Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri, Michigan, Minnesota or Iowa was a top flight prospect, she was likely going to one of those three schools or to a national power.
And through the entire time, Nikolic was always portrayed by everyone in the program as being just as important as Moynihan to the team.
He's an alum who loves this school as much as any of us. He was the co-architect of one of the 25 best soccer programs in the country at Milwaukee. He owned recruiting in the upper Midwest. He's the coach who brought in every player we've ever had that has gone pro, up to and including Sarah Hagen, who could have been the star at any school in America. She graduated 9th in NCAA history in goals scored. He brought her in.
Since Costello made the stupid pick of Henschel, Nikolic and Moynihan have broken down and built up the Northwestern women's soccer program. This past fall, they made the NCAA Tournament, I believe it was either the first time in school history or the first in 20 years or something like that.
Whenever there's an opening for Milwaukee at soccer coach, Nikolic has been a finalist. That's for men and women. Bud hired Jon Coleman, but every other coach was hired by one of this parade of incompetent AD's. Koonce went with national championship D-II coach Chris Whalley for the men, resigned in disgrace. Costello went with Greg Henschel for the women, failure.
And Amanda Braun went with Troy Fabiano, he of the marginal success in D-II, over David Nikolic, the most effin-ay obvious home run hire you could ever make in any sport for this school.
Associate head coach here for 16 years, a dozen conference titles, every NCAA Tournament victory in our history, owned regional recruiting.
So why didn't Amanda Braun hire David? I asked her, point blank.
"He isn't ready."
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2016 9:26:42 GMT -6
Is Rob owed a performance bonus if we play in the postseason?
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Post by PantherU on Mar 13, 2016 9:48:47 GMT -6
Is Rob owed a performance bonus if we play in the postseason? Only NIT or NCAA. Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards |
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 13, 2016 10:01:14 GMT -6
I have absolutely no problem with some of her quotes in that piece. I am happy to hear that she has goals set and wants us to be near the top of the Horizon League every season. However, as many have pointed out already, these tournaments have been springboards to success for a number of teams. If she is serious about reaching the goals she has set I think one of these tournaments would be a great way to work towards them. I also feel the players deserve it after staying with the program through last season's ban. If we had finished in 3rd with the same record would she be accepting a bid right now? I actually don't have any issues with those goals either: 1. Strive to be a Top 100 team (Jeter team average is 162 RPI (157 SOS average) based on realtimerpi.com stats) 2. Goal to win the Horizon League (Jeter teams have 2 regular season championships and 2 conference tournament championships in 11 years). 3. Expectation is finish in the top three of the league every year (Jeter teams have finished in the top three 3 times out of 11 and have averaged between a 4th/5th Place finish over 11 years). Unfortunately, those stats have been trending downward (190 RPI average, 195 SOS average, 0 regular season championships, 1 conference tournament championship, 1 top three regular season conference finish and an average of between a 5th/6th Place finish over the last five years). With that, not going to the Vegas post-season tournament only makes sense if Braun intends to fire Jeter and staff this week so she can use the NCAA Tournament time to find a replacement. Going to the Vegas tournament would delay that by a minimum of two weeks. If she doesn't intend to fire him this week, not going to Vegas makes no sense, especially when donors were willing to pay for it. Agree with your take 100%. Either accept the post-season invite or fire Jeter this week. The players on the team shoudn't be used as pieces on a chessboard. |
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Mar 13, 2016 11:22:59 GMT -6
Interesting interview.
Afterward, the hosts alluded to what many have been thinking.
Were the players aware of the goals and standards Braun set?
I don't think we would have this much outrage if it had been communicated before the season that it was NCAA, NIT, or bust.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 13, 2016 11:39:59 GMT -6
I don't think many on this board would argue against firing Jeter. I just think 95% of the people on this board don't want Amanda Braun within 100 miles of hiring the next coach. They'd be right. When she fired Greg Henschel from women's soccer, she made a good choice. So who did she hire? Troy Fabiano, who had been head coach at Parkside for 20 years and had been to a handful of NCAA Tournaments over the years, but never made a huge splash. He's essentially done there what Rob has done here with men's basketball - you know, results like Rob's are good enough to hire them but not good enough to merit a postseason? Anyways, I bring up women's soccer because she hired Fabiano. The jury is still out on him, so I won't slam him. What I will do, however, is highlight who she didn't hire - David Nikolic. For those who don't know David Nikolic, he's basically the human representation of Milwaukee Panthers Soccer. A player in the 1990's, David became top assistant to new coach Michael Moynihan. In 16 years running the program, the two turned our women's soccer program into a world beater. They were so good that you questioned why they DIDN'T beat a Big Ten team. We watched them tear apart schools like Michigan and Ohio State. The only time they'd lose by a big margin was if they were playing the absolute elite, like teams that went on to the Final Four. The Panthers chased Penn State for the longest time for the NCAA lead in consecutive seasons with a conference regular season championship. The only years Milwaukee missed the NCAA Tournament were when they got upset in the HLT. The Panthers ended up overtaking Penn State right after Moynihan and Nikolic left for Northwestern. Rick Costello passed on promoting Nikolic, ignoring the pleas of every player on the roster and plenty of alumni. Nikolic and Moynihan were very involved in local club soccer - apaladino can explain just how intertwined they are with the local clubs better than I can - and Nikolic has been the coach of local clubs forever (you can do both in soccer if you coach the other gender in club). In recruiting, they alternated between #1 and #3 in the Midwest with Notre Dame and Marquette annually. If a kid in Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri, Michigan, Minnesota or Iowa was a top flight prospect, she was likely going to one of those three schools or to a national power. And through the entire time, Nikolic was always portrayed by everyone in the program as being just as important as Moynihan to the team. He's an alum who loves this school as much as any of us. He was the co-architect of one of the 25 best soccer programs in the country at Milwaukee. He owned recruiting in the upper Midwest. He's the coach who brought in every player we've ever had that has gone pro, up to and including Sarah Hagen, who could have been the star at any school in America. She graduated 9th in NCAA history in goals scored. He brought her in. Since Costello made the stupid pick of Henschel, Nikolic and Moynihan have broken down and built up the Northwestern women's soccer program. This past fall, they made the NCAA Tournament, I believe it was either the first time in school history or the first in 20 years or something like that. Whenever there's an opening for Milwaukee at soccer coach, Nikolic has been a finalist. That's for men and women. Bud hired Jon Coleman, but every other coach was hired by one of this parade of incompetent AD's. Koonce went with national championship D-II coach Chris Whalley for the men, resigned in disgrace. Costello went with Greg Henschel for the women, failure. And Amanda Braun went with Troy Fabiano, he of the marginal success in D-II, over David Nikolic, the most effin-ay obvious home run hire you could ever make in any sport for this school. Associate head coach here for 16 years, a dozen conference titles, every NCAA Tournament victory in our history, owned regional recruiting. So why didn't Amanda Braun hire David? I asked her, point blank. "He isn't ready." This is the same reason why Greg Gard will fail in Madison. How? Barry hired an underperforming Men's Hockey coach. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 13, 2016 11:49:18 GMT -6
Interesting interview. Afterward, the hosts alluded to what many have been thinking. Were the players aware of the goals and standards Braun set? I don't think we would have this much outrage if it had been communicated before the season that it was NCAA, NIT, or bust. Ya, but what school is taking about the pay to play CBI or CIT in October? My guess is, zero. |
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Mar 13, 2016 11:55:45 GMT -6
Interesting interview. Afterward, the hosts alluded to what many have been thinking. Were the players aware of the goals and standards Braun set? I don't think we would have this much outrage if it had been communicated before the season that it was NCAA, NIT, or bust. Ya, but what school is taking about the pay to play CBI or CIT in October? My guess is, zero. I was really referencing her goal of Top 100 and 3rd place or better finish. Accomplishing those things would have led to an NIT or better result. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 13, 2016 12:01:31 GMT -6
I have no doubt there will be many successful high school coaches and low major assistants eager for the opportunity when our AD makes her move. The application list should be truly scintillating in this atmosphere.
Or we could go big time. Hey -- what's Tony Jones up to these days?
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2016 12:03:44 GMT -6
Ya, but what school is taking about the pay to play CBI or CIT in October? My guess is, zero. I was really referencing her goal of Top 100 and 3rd place or better finish. Accomplishing those things would have led to an NIT or better result. Now it's been articulated. So that's what we should expect. EVERY YEAR. No exceptions. Glad we've got it on the table. |
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 13, 2016 12:47:11 GMT -6
I have no doubt there will be many successful high school coaches and low major assistants eager for the opportunity when our AD makes her move. The application list should be truly scintillating in this atmosphere. Or we could go big time. Hey -- what's Tony Jones up to these days? This is flat-out wrong. A guy like Luke Reigel, who's had a hell of a run at Parkside in D2, would take this job in a heartbeat. Opportunities like these don't grow on trees - just ask Bruce Pearl or Bo Ryan. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 13, 2016 15:56:31 GMT -6
I have no doubt there will be many successful high school coaches and low major assistants eager for the opportunity when our AD makes her move. The application list should be truly scintillating in this atmosphere. Or we could go big time. Hey -- what's Tony Jones up to these days? This is flat-out wrong. A guy like Luke Reigel, who's had a hell of a run at Parkside in D2, would take this job in a heartbeat. Opportunities like these don't grow on trees - just ask Bruce Pearl or Bo Ryan. Luke Reigel won his first NCAA Tournament game yesterday. The other coaches in Wisconsin at the D-III level are guys who like their summers playing golf. That's fine, but to really succeed - at a higher level than we have been under Rob - you need someone who is fully invested with their time. I brought up Nikolic because if I can't trust her to make the most obvious hire ever in a non-revenue sport, how can I trust her to find the next men's basketball coach? |
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 13, 2016 16:33:15 GMT -6
By no means would I hire Luke Reigel this year; the point is there are dozens of successful D-2 or D-3 coaches who would jump at this opportunity. That's not even a question. Hell, people on this board were creaming themselves at the thought of Jack Bennett when Jeter was hired.
I think Braun is scewing the players on this post-season snub. However, she undoubtedly is chomping at the bit to get her own coach in there, and rightfully so. The myriad of AD's who succeed Bud have been hamstrung by this ridiculous contract, and someone will finally have ability to bring their own guy in. As Dylan said, at least the goals will be defined.
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