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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 14, 2016 13:58:15 GMT -6
The Big Show just had an extremely cringeworthy segment on this. Leroy Butler referred to Kyle Rechlicz as "him" when discussing her record. They are take shots at UWM but do ZERO research on anything. It's amazing how bad that was.
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Post by BBFran on Mar 14, 2016 14:48:08 GMT -6
.[/quote]Can I ask, Fran, why you and other program boosters are at wits' end with the department/program? Is it due to the AD's treatment of Coach Jeter and his staff? [/quote] More like 10 years of incompetence, mismanagement, lack of support and friction at the AD level. (Not all of those sins by all of the ADs during that period, but collectively they have covered all the bases.) This is all Bud Haidet's fault. For retiring.  But seriously, it's fatigue as much as anything else. We have one sport -- one -- that can lead the way. It's already incredibly difficult for a mid-major program to succeed, especially in this town. The unnecessary obstacles that have arisen internally take that up an order of magnitude. And yet through all that we have had a coach and staff and players who have for the most part done a great job of competing and entertaining us all. They have been the one constant, yet now, again, we are told that they are the problem. They are unworthy. I don't agree, and I'm not alone. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 14, 2016 20:19:10 GMT -6
But seriously, it's fatigue as much as anything else. We have one sport -- one -- that can lead the way. It's already incredibly difficult for a mid-major program to succeed, especially in this town. The unnecessary obstacles that have arisen internally take that up an order of magnitude. And yet through all that we have had a coach and staff and players who have for the most part done a great job of competing and entertaining us all. They have been the one constant, yet now, again, we are told that they are the problem. They are unworthy. I don't agree, and I'm not alone. I understand the frustration given how turbulent this department has been. What I have to disagree with is why should this be Braun's problem? It's not her fault Koonce, Costello & Geiger were disasters. It's one thing if she was internally promoted to this position but she wasn't. Yes, Jeter has done some good things and the way he didn't allow the team to collapse despite complete dysfunction is no doubt commendable. However, the business side of sports doesn't care. Sports essentially boil down to wins & losses and for the contract he has, he doesn't have enough of the former and too many of the latter. This is a profession that is as cruel as guys finding out they're fired by seeing it reported on Twitter, guys being fired while heading home from a loss with the team and being forced to find their own transportation back, being fired in the offseason 4.5 months after signing an extension, etc. Is it entirely his fault the team disappointed this year? No. Is he ultimately responsible for it? Yes. Was it Dave Wannstedt's fault Ricky Williams retired a few weeks before the start of the 2004 NFL season? Definitely not. Was he the sacrificial lamb for the team's struggles that season. Absolutely. Is it fair? 100% not, but that's the business they willingly choose to join. Yes, the way Jeter has been able to raise the GPA after the post season ban is a great story. Unfortunately, a cumulative 3.0 GPA doesn't win games. It's a nice side story and nothing more. Bob Davie had one of the highest graduation rates in Notre Dame history and was fired a year or two later. Was it because the team's GPA dropped or because the team regressed from a 9-3 season to a 5-6 season? Kelvin Sampson had a 0% graduation rate at Oklahoma and was only fired by Indiana for numerous recruiting violations at both schools. I'm not saying Braun couldn't have handled things differently because she definitely should have. At the same time, she has no loyalties to him and I don't know what kinds of conversations have taken place in private with him or with his agent (assuming he has one, I don't know). The relationship seems sour and it seems like there's probably not going to be a reconciliation. Even if he were to stay and she left, what guarantee is there the next AD won't have the same opinions of him & take the same actions? |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 14, 2016 21:09:46 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you are arguing. As I have already said if Amanda has decided to go this route then she should just do it. What's she going to do if Rob stays and wins the conference or makes the tournament next year, either of which is entirely possible? After all, he has done both those things within the last five years -- with his own recruits -- despite the chaos in the department. That puts Rob in elite company in the HL. Should she offer an extension? Would you want her to do that if that happens?
And if she doesn't act now to relieve him, will she support him and the program next season? Or is that bridge burned?
Honestly the drama has worn me out.
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Post by gomkepanthers on Mar 15, 2016 19:06:14 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you are arguing. As I have already said if Amanda has decided to go this route then she should just do it. What's she going to do if Rob stays and wins the conference or makes the tournament next year, either of which is entirely possible? After all, he has done both those things within the last five years -- with his own recruits -- despite the chaos in the department. That puts Rob in elite company in the HL. Should she offer an extension? Would you want her to do that if that happens? And if she doesn't act now to relieve him, will she support him and the program next season? Or is that bridge burned? Honestly the drama has worn me out. The Milwaukee Panthers have had the following in the past 10 seasons as Rob Jeter as head coach: o 1 top three finish in the regular season of the Horizon League in the past 10 seasons o Compiled a regular season Horizon League record of 89-83 o Compiled an overall record of 162-161 o Compiled a record verse division 1 opponents of 151-161 o Went to 1 NCAA tournament in the past 10 seasons Why is this record commendable? Why would this record warrant a contract extension?  |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 15, 2016 20:07:35 GMT -6
It eludes me why you quoted my post. How does what you said respond to what I said? You have neither disagreed with my propositions nor answered my questions.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 15, 2016 23:08:52 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you are arguing. As I have already said if Amanda has decided to go this route then she should just do it. What's she going to do if Rob stays and wins the conference or makes the tournament next year, either of which is entirely possible? After all, he has done both those things within the last five years -- with his own recruits -- despite the chaos in the department. That puts Rob in elite company in the HL. Should she offer an extension? Would you want her to do that if that happens? And if she doesn't act now to relieve him, will she support him and the program next season? Or is that bridge burned? Honestly the drama has worn me out. The Milwaukee Panthers have had the following in the past 10 seasons as Rob Jeter as head coach: o 1 top three finish in the regular season of the Horizon League in the past 10 seasons o Compiled a regular season Horizon League record of 89-83 o Compiled an overall record of 162-161 o Compiled a record verse division 1 opponents of 151-161 o Went to 1 NCAA tournament in the past 10 seasons Why is this record commendable? Why would this record warrant a contract extension? I'm confused as to who is positing that Rob Jeter will be the head coach beyond next season? Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 16, 2016 0:06:48 GMT -6
So this "newcomer" to the board started posting here with golden standards for the program on the day on which a postseason bid was refused because the kids failed to meet those standards.
Very interesting.
I am also exhausted from all the drama stemming from a certain a.d.'s office.
Question: why weren't these standards articulated before the season began?
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Post by jhart05 on Mar 16, 2016 6:33:11 GMT -6
Honestly the drama has worn me out. I am also exhausted from all the drama stemming from a certain a.d.'s office. |
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Mar 16, 2016 8:16:41 GMT -6
I for one love this stuff. I agree with the "newbie" who is right on about Braun and Jeter. Suddenly everything Braun has achieved is being diminished. She was applauded for going back downtown a short while ago. I have several friends still coaching at a high level in Milwaukee and they think Fabiano is a solid coach and deserves the opportunity. All other sports seem to be doing alright as well. It is hard for me to believe that goals were not articulated for this season. At this level failure is generally not put on the players. It is put on the coach and I for one applaud Braun for doing the job correctly. I believe everyone will survive. The program will move forward. It really needs a fresh start.
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Post by BBFran on Mar 16, 2016 8:32:49 GMT -6
Love what stuff, h-lee? Do you love the only program we have that can sell tickets and garner significant attention for the University simultaneously hanging by a thread and twisting in the wind? That's the reality right now. Look out below.
What's the plan here? This has so little to do with who the head coach is. That's what frustrates so many of us -- the idea that somehow that alone answers all the concerns, or even most of them.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 16, 2016 9:28:34 GMT -6
Love what stuff, h-lee? Do you love the only program we have that can sell tickets and garner significant attention for the University simultaneously hanging by a thread and twisting in the wind? That's the reality right now. Look out below. What's the plan here? This has so little to do with who the head coach is. That's what frustrates so many of us -- the idea that somehow that alone answers all the concerns, or even most of them. These are unfortunate truths Fran. I wish we had the resources to make all of our problems go away, but unfortunately we don't. The political BS is preventing some of these issues from being corrected and that takes the most time. (Not that I need to tell you that). The reality is, replacing the coach is the low hanging fruit. And I believe you are diminishing how much the mediocrity has to do with him. Should we hold him responsible for every issue this program and department has? Of course not. But have other coaches in our history and around the nation done more with less? Absolutely. I respect the hell out of Coach Jeter, and he deserved more support and resources than he got, but I believe there is much more we can accomplish. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 16, 2016 10:17:26 GMT -6
I'm still shaking my head over these standards that gomkepanthers has set forth.
We've finished in the top 3 in our league and in the top 100 of the RPI five times in the history of our PROGRAM. To the best of my knowledge, we've never had a top 100 schedule.
How are we supposed to do this EVERY YEAR with our facilities, funding and support.
I'm truly baffled.
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Post by MKEPanthers45 on Mar 16, 2016 11:44:27 GMT -6
I'm still shaking my head over these standards that gomkepanthers has set forth. We've finished in the top 3 in our league and in the top 100 of the RPI five times in the history of our PROGRAM. To the best of my knowledge, we've never had a top 100 schedule. How are we supposed to do this EVERY YEAR with our facilities, funding and support. I'm truly baffled. Maybe Ms. Braun made herself an account on this here forum??? hmmmmmm |
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Post by pantherwalleye on Mar 16, 2016 16:44:35 GMT -6
I let the waters calm before I spoke, but I thought the season was a disappointment and we didn't necessary deserve post season play. Our ADs face in the last 5 min of the GB loss was disgust, exactly my emotion. With our talent this season, we should have been in the top three. Too many close loses...too many loses when we should of won(except SD). We need to build a schedule based on previous years performance, the organic way, and this season was just a disappointment. You could argue a post season run in the CIB or whatever, would result in a better schedule the following year, so i cant deny that. But not really surprised by our ADs decision. Proud of our seniors no doubt, I just felt as a team we weren't disciplined. Why reward mediocre results, 5th in the Horizon league is just that. At work I get rewarded for my merit, performance, and not loyalty. I'm proud of Tiby, the way he held his emotions and the amount he grew as a player since coming here. JRs dunks were awesome, and Panoske's inside outside game was so exciting to watch. Looking forward to seeing these seniors attending future games as proud alum.
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