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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 11, 2015 19:41:03 GMT -6
Well you have the advantage of me since I didn't know the NCAA has renamed the rounds, but so be it. I'll give you a double or nothing counter: two beers and popcorns (or none) that the Badgers go deeper in the tournament than Valpo.  Nah because I will be cheering like hell against valpo if we matchup with them in Detroit. We can talk if Valpo plays WI in round 1 as a 6/11 7/10 |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 11, 2015 20:25:05 GMT -6
. ) The 3rd round is now the 2nd weekend as the NCAA no longer calls the first 4 the first round. So basically WI has to get to the Sweet 16 for you to win. Couldn't remember if that was next year or not. Glad the NCAA is calling the rounds the normal way. Opening Round, 1st round, 2nd round, etc. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 11, 2015 21:05:03 GMT -6
If it were the NIT circa 2004, some first-round games would be staged before all opening-round games are played.
But that's a topic for another day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 0:33:55 GMT -6
We belong. pantheru.com/2015/12/wednesdays-game-is-important-for-2015-and-beyond/Great article, Jim. Damn great article. Firing on all cylinders ever discussed here and paints a vivid picture of the reality that many in the student body, faculty and administration of our favorite Uni are either not aware of or choose to even glance at. That's the best post I've read on PantherU. And there have been some reeeeeally great ones. You and Dan Z. Thanks- from all of us who have read. Put up a PayPal link. I've read the local paper's article which, while not bad, was certainly more of a gloom-doom story of the Badgers moreso than acknowledging that maybe... just maybe.. We've (re-)arrived?- and this time, may wind up being the best team in the state if we play to potential.. Where is your take on this epic victory, PantherU? |
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Post by A Statement By SHAUN on Dec 12, 2015 9:14:08 GMT -6
I have respect for UW letting us play them every year, even if most of the games are played at their place. At least they are willing to play us every year, even when their team is rebuilding. A program that I don't respect is Marquette. People mention that we have never beaten them, but they avoid playing us whenever they know we can beat them. Any of our teams over the last 3 years could have beaten Marquette. And although the Pearl era was before my interest in college basketball, don't know how good MU was at the time, but I'm sure the best teams in our programs history would have been competitive with MU.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 12, 2015 9:26:26 GMT -6
I believe it's more accurate to say that Marquette avoids us when they think we might beat them.
This should be our (very public) proposal: We'll play at your place. Every year. With no compensation. No split of the proceeds. No guaranteed payout.
Wouldn't that be better than almost all of the non-conference home opponents each of us play?
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Post by PantherU on Dec 12, 2015 10:30:28 GMT -6
I believe it's more accurate to say that Marquette avoids us when they think we might beat them. This should be our (very public) proposal: We'll play at your place. Every year. With no compensation. No split of the proceeds. No guaranteed payout. Wouldn't that be better than almost all of the non-conference home opponents each of us play? Why would we agree to that? |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 12, 2015 10:43:02 GMT -6
I believe it's more accurate to say that Marquette avoids us when they think we might beat them. This should be our (very public) proposal: We'll play at your place. Every year. With no compensation. No split of the proceeds. No guaranteed payout. Wouldn't that be better than almost all of the non-conference home opponents each of us play? Why would we agree to that? Because they won't play us under any other terms and I'm tired of playing Judson. I'm equally sure their fans are sick and tired of playing ... just about everyone on their home schedule. We have no chance to win if we don't play the game. |
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Post by jhart05 on Dec 12, 2015 12:15:36 GMT -6
I could not care less about playing that other Milwaukee University.
I prefer to pretend they don't even exist.
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Post by xtownfan on Dec 12, 2015 20:32:13 GMT -6
Why would we agree to that? Because they won't play us under any other terms and I'm tired of playing Judson. I'm equally sure their fans are sick and tired of playing ... just about everyone on their home schedule. We have no chance to win if we don't play the game. Oh, boy. Here we go again. Let us put aside the question of whether you would have beaten us any of the last three years and just say we disagree. That really has nothing to do with scheduling. Yes, Marquette fans like to throw around the 39-0 or whatever it is, but it gets mentioned by you more than us. Most Marquette fans do not care. And if the teams play enough times, UWM is bound to win one eventually. In the more or less recent past, we have lost to the likes of Maine, Winthrop, South Alabama, North Dakota, Nebraska-Omaha, and a few other forgettable foes. Those are all forgotten, None of them brought ruin to the program, and Marquette did not lose any recruits to those schools. Marquette has lost three games to Green Bay that I remember. Good for Green Bay. On to the next game. Our buddy Fran goes on about how Marquette is afraid to play you. Well, nearly everything Fran has to say about Marquette is stupid, so Marquette fans just ignore him. What this comes down to is money. Pure and simple. We got it. We spend it. We make it. At least when it comes to basketball or athletics in general, you don't. Marquette does not really compete with UWM in much of anything, not athletic success or drawing students. For students, we are looking at different prospects in different places. It is fair to say that the universities have different missions. In athletics, Marquette is going to outspend and outplay UWM in just about everything. We have to. We are going to compete on a higher level in a tougher conference. Basketball is not only bigger at Marquette than at UWM, it is far more important. We have years of tradition and name recognition, and the money that funds the entire athletic program comes from the basketball team. Now, UWM fans can come back and point out that you need money for your program as well. I am sure that is true. That is also your problem. Neither Marquette nor anyone else is going to throw any your way just to be nice. And we are talking significant money. Marquette is going to sell more season tickets every year than Panther Arena can hold, and at higher prices. A home game against Marquette is going to be a windfall for UWM. A home game against UWM is going to be nothing but a wash for Marquette. The last series pretty much demonstrated that. The first game packed 'em in, because of both the novelty of the game and the fact that Marquette made it part of a four-pack to avoid Wisconsin fans buying up tickets just to boo. The second game was played in a blizzard, so nobody showed up. Forget that one. The next one drew about 300 fewer fans than Presbyterian. Really. No joke. That is how important the casual fan in Milwaukee (not to mention the supposedly loyal UWM fan base) cares about this game. And the gate is not the only thing that costs money. Marquette is going to make significant television revenue during the basketball season, and is going to schedule games accordingly. UWM is not. If Marquette can fill a slot with somebody else and have it appear on TV, it will. And Marquette is not going to give up a chance to play a major conference team on the road so that it can stay at home and play UWM. We are talking two different levels of college basketball here. As far as I know, Marquette and UWM have never even recruited the same players. Certainly there are none I can think of who whittled down their choices to those two. (Though Brian Neinhuis had a nice end to his career when he transferred to Marquette when UWM decided to go to D-3). The conferences are not at all comparable, and if you think they are, consider that the crown jewel of the Horizon League gratefully grabbed a place in the Big East the moment it was offered, and that was after they had jumped to the A-10 only a year before. When you are talking about Marquette giving up a home game, you are talking about Marquette giving up revenue that UWM has no chance at all of earning. So the only way a series makes sense is on terms very favorable to Marquette, which UWM seems to have balked at in the past. When Bo Ryan coached there, he turned down a four year extension because none of the games were at UWM. At the time, UWM's average attendance was about 900. No, I did not forget a zero. In the recent past, what has prevented the series is more bad blood between the athletic departments, most of it frankly coming from UWM. When Marquette first took on UWM some twenty years or so ago, Bill Cords publicly said that UWM had earned the right to be on the schedule. At the time, Marquette was still trying to keep its own tournament alive and would have been happy to see UWM in it regularly. As a matter of fact, the offer of a four year deal included two in the Blue and Gold Classic. But Bo turned it down. Then Bruce Pearl came in and pissed off everybody. As long as he was at UWM, Marquette would have scheduled a game against MATC before it scheduled one against UWM. Then when a deal was finally worked out, the UWM AD said it wasn't good enough, so it almost did not go through. Now perhaps things are different. Marquette has a new coach and both schools have new ADs. Maybe they will work it out. Or maybe not. While this is a major issue for UWM fans and perhaps for the UWM athletic department, it is an afterthought for Marquette and Wojo. I doubt he is going to refuse to play UWM rather than some terrible team with an RPI over 300, but he'll schedule it if it works in his team's favor and if it fits into the schedule and if he wants to. That's about it. So we will have to postpone for now the question of which is the best college basketball team in the state, but we can both conclude that at least for the present, it is not in Madison. |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Dec 12, 2015 21:02:52 GMT -6
It's sanctimonious pricks like you that fuel the bad blood. Just saying..
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Dec 12, 2015 21:04:27 GMT -6
Also, I don't give a frog's fat ass if we ever play Marquette. I just despise the fan base. Tom Crean molded all of you in his image before he left you high and dry.
I'll give Crean credit though, he exposed your high and mighty program for what it really is: A stepping stone, not a destination. Buzz Williams put an exclamation point on that. Wojo will too, the first chance he gets.
Get over yourselves.
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 12, 2015 21:09:08 GMT -6
Do we all have to do this again? We both beat UW, that's enough for me.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Dec 12, 2015 21:16:17 GMT -6
I spoke my peace in response to the screen-sized diatribe. That's where it ends for me.
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Post by claytuckerforever on Dec 12, 2015 21:17:06 GMT -6
Thanks for the entitled essay...doesn't matter if its spectating basketball or in the business world get the same pompous attitude from most Marquette grads and this is coming from someone who didn't go to Milwaukee either.
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