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Post by gman2 on Mar 12, 2013 20:28:40 GMT -6
Think 20 years from now. UWM may be bigger than Marquette in this city and a national powerhouse. Not on a regular basis, maybe occasionally we may grab more headlines as we did under Pearl. But as long as the current coaches are in place, Marquette blows us away. Buzz finds ways to win even when obstacles are thrown in his way, Jeter finds excuses why UWM doesn't win. The mindset between these coaches couldn't be more opposite. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 12, 2013 23:49:46 GMT -6
Think 20 years from now. UWM may be bigger than Marquette in this city and a national powerhouse. Ten years after the renovated KC and who knows what's next. Fill a 5-7,000 arena game in and game out, graduate athletes, provide great entertainment, support soccer, baseball, track, and volleyball to enrich the lives of student athletes in a great city. This is what UWM should be. Success is more than a facility. I'm watching conference tournament games on Cable all week. Many facilities are mediocre at best. Arenas are half empty. We seem to be fooled by all the hype of the the Big Conferences. You can't get there without football so let's be realistic and be who we are. Let me make this abundantly clear. Just because my ideas are about making us a "nationally prominent" program doesn't mean I want us to be in the Big East. The absolute best conference we'll ever be able to be in is the basketball-only midwest conference directly below Marquette's conference. But that doesn't mean we can't strive to be a player on the national stage. Butler, Xavier, Gonzaga. All did it in conferences comparable to (or are) our own. Hell, there are advantages to being in the Horizon League. Butler's going to learn they're not special in the Big East. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow. |
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Post by gman2 on Mar 13, 2013 3:24:29 GMT -6
Think 20 years from now. UWM may be bigger than Marquette in this city and a national powerhouse. Ten years after the renovated KC and who knows what's next. Fill a 5-7,000 arena game in and game out, graduate athletes, provide great entertainment, support soccer, baseball, track, and volleyball to enrich the lives of student athletes in a great city. This is what UWM should be. Success is more than a facility. I'm watching conference tournament games on Cable all week. Many facilities are mediocre at best. Arenas are half empty. We seem to be fooled by all the hype of the the Big Conferences. You can't get there without football so let's be realistic and be who we are. Butler's going to learn they're not special in the Big East. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow. Please explain. I think the pill that includes a bigger TV contract, sellout crowds at Hinkle on a regular basis, playing in front of 19,000 at the Bradley Center, will be a very easy pill to swallow. What's the hard pill to swallow? The one UWM fans can't swallow, which contains the UWM men's program nowhere on the local sports radar, our once rival Butler playing in front of sellout crowds at the BC, Buzz Williams finding ways to win, watching Marquette players give it their all for their coach. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 13, 2013 9:55:37 GMT -6
Butler's going to learn they're not special in the Big East. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow. Please explain. I think the pill that includes a bigger TV contract, sellout crowds at Hinkle on a regular basis, playing in front of 19,000 at the Bradley Center, will be a very easy pill to swallow. What's the hard pill to swallow? The one UWM fans can't swallow, which contains the UWM men's program nowhere on the local sports radar, our once rival Butler playing in front of sellout crowds at the BC, Buzz Williams finding ways to win, watching Marquette players give it their all for their coach. I'm just saying there are advantages to being a big fish in a small pond. The next time Butler goes to the Final Four, it will go (likely) as a member of the Big East, and it won't get hyped up any more than the other three teams. Do you remember their two runs as a member of our conference? They were the ones that received 80% of the media coverage. Next time it won't be special, it's just another Big East team in the Final Four. The advantages of being in the Big East are obvious. I'm just saying it's not 100% of the advantages. |
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Post by gman2 on Mar 13, 2013 14:14:48 GMT -6
Please explain. I think the pill that includes a bigger TV contract, sellout crowds at Hinkle on a regular basis, playing in front of 19,000 at the Bradley Center, will be a very easy pill to swallow. What's the hard pill to swallow? The one UWM fans can't swallow, which contains the UWM men's program nowhere on the local sports radar, our once rival Butler playing in front of sellout crowds at the BC, Buzz Williams finding ways to win, watching Marquette players give it their all for their coach. I'm just saying there are advantages to being a big fish in a small pond. The next time Butler goes to the Final Four, it will go (likely) as a member of the Big East, and it won't get hyped up any more than the other three teams. Do you remember their two runs as a member of our conference? They were the ones that received 80% of the media coverage. Next time it won't be special, it's just another Big East team in the Final Four. The advantages of being in the Big East are obvious. I'm just saying it's not 100% of the advantages. This "disadvantage" you talk about is pretty insignificant. Anyone mid-major conference program would gladly give up being a final four media darling for a place in the new Big East conference. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2013 17:03:24 GMT -6
Butler's going to learn they're not special in the Big East. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow. Huh? How can you be sure? Everything's about to get better for the Bulldogs. The money. TV exposure. Money. Attendance. Money. Travel. Money. Recruiting. Money. Did I mention the money? |
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Post by Hack on Mar 13, 2013 19:33:14 GMT -6
Butler's going to learn they're not special in the Big East. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow. Huh? How can you be sure? Everything's about to get better for the Bulldogs. The money. TV exposure. Money. Attendance. Money. Travel. Money. Recruiting. Money. Did I mention the money? I wish UWM wasn't that special. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 13, 2013 22:05:29 GMT -6
Sure, of the 5,000 things I've said, we now have nitpicked.
What it all comes back to is my point that the facilities negate, to a large extent, the problems of being whatever conference we're in.
Our ceiling - our absolute ceiling - for a conference is whatever league is just below the league that Marquette is in. Renovating the KC and putting in an 8-15 million dollar practice facility isn't solving our problems forever, it's just solving the problems in front of our face.
Instead of spending $40 million and getting one thing right forever, we'd be spending $40 million and doing two things half-assed. I don't get how no one sees this.
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Post by Lutzow10 on Mar 14, 2013 8:43:27 GMT -6
Instead of spending $40 million and getting one thing right forever, we'd be spending $40 million and doing two things half-assed. I don't get how no one sees this. I couldn't agree more. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 12:16:11 GMT -6
Out of curiosity, where does the $40 million number come from?
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Post by pnthr97 on Mar 14, 2013 12:27:48 GMT -6
Out of curiosity, where does the $40 million number come from? Or for that matter, where does the $40 million itself come from? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 16:04:22 GMT -6
Cricket, cricket.
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Post by panther9193 on Mar 14, 2013 18:53:41 GMT -6
I don't understand all the complaining about Black PantherU's idea. At least he cares about it enough to offer up an idea, which is more than I can say for the university to date. Although I don't necessarily agree with every aspect of his idea, he offers up something bold hoping to move the basketball program to a higher level while attempting to do it so as to get the biggest bang for the buck. Renovating the Klotsche Center is small thinking and, in my opinion, doomed to failure as any on-campus arena would be. Does it really matter if the cost is $40 million or $30 million or $20 million? Right now the athletic department would have trouble raising $40,000 for the basketball program. Presenting a bold, well thought out plan for the future is the only way to get potential donors excited enough to donate the amount of money required. A talented, successful team wouldn't hurt either but that's a discussion for another time. I'm still waiting for the university to come up with such a plan. Whatever plan they do come up with (if any) will tell me if they are serious about athletics going forward. In the meantime, we need more fans like Black PantherU. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 14, 2013 23:48:50 GMT -6
Check your PM's.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 14, 2013 23:49:46 GMT -6
I don't understand all the complaining about Black PantherU's idea. At least he cares about it enough to offer up an idea, which is more than I can say for the university to date. Although I don't necessarily agree with every aspect of his idea, he offers up something bold hoping to move the basketball program to a higher level while attempting to do it so as to get the biggest bang for the buck. Renovating the Klotsche Center is small thinking and, in my opinion, doomed to failure as any on-campus arena would be. Does it really matter if the cost is $40 million or $30 million or $20 million? Right now the athletic department would have trouble raising $40,000 for the basketball program. Presenting a bold, well thought out plan for the future is the only way to get potential donors excited enough to donate the amount of money required. A talented, successful team wouldn't hurt either but that's a discussion for another time. I'm still waiting for the university to come up with such a plan. Whatever plan they do come up with (if any) will tell me if they are serious about athletics going forward. In the meantime, we need more fans like Black PantherU. Thanks, man. |
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