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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 7:02:16 GMT -6
You're not offering anything. This is all just speculation. Rumors. Daydreaming. We're not paid employees of the department. We're not hired consultants. Only a few of us can make a financial impact to really help the department. Otherwise we're just talking about nothing.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 11, 2013 7:22:05 GMT -6
Most of those who responded to questions of why they didn't renew said it had a lot to do with the arena. Maybe I'm just being ignorant, but I simply don't understand this. The venue in which they play would never turn me away from attending. Never. I understand everybody's situation is different, but how is the venue that much of a deterrent? Aren't we all there to watch the product on the floor? Next year I'm considering not renewing my tickets, and it has nothing to do with the arena. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 7:27:17 GMT -6
Yep, the arena is just a distraction from the real problem.
We can have a multi-million dollar facility, but if the product on the court is terrible, then it will just be an enormous waste of space. Start winning and playing exciting basketball and the new or improved facility wont be too far behind.
When did this board become the AD version of Madden? At one time we talked about NCAA basketball.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 11, 2013 7:28:45 GMT -6
When I went to school we played in the KC and lost to Notre Dame at the buzzer on a missed basket. Our record had nothing to do with where we played. Its also funny you guys really think that gym size matters in recruiting. Talent follows coaching and proven winners -- not facilities. Couldn't have said it better myself. Previous coaches recruited some outstanding players when the K was our home. What's the difference now? The coaches. The recruiting philosophy. Some are afraid or unwilling to come to grips with that reality. |
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Post by Hack on Mar 11, 2013 7:35:02 GMT -6
Yep, the arena is just a distraction from the real problem. We can have a multi-million dollar facility, but if the product on the court is terrible, then it will just be an enormous waste of space. Start winning and playing exciting basketball and the new or improved facility wont be too far behind. BINGO! |
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Post by mwu on Mar 11, 2013 8:12:43 GMT -6
My vote is for my Thesis project, otherwise the Cell. Loyola made so many mistakes in their project I don't know how any one would want such project for our school. By all means send it to her. You've got nothing to lose. a.braun@neu.edu You're right I might as well, if nothing else I'll finally get AD feedback for my book. Something Costello was worthless for. |
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Post by PantherLou on Mar 11, 2013 10:24:41 GMT -6
Parking is a non-issue at either the Arena or the Klotsche Parking may not be an issue per se, but TRAFFIC and ease of access most certainly is. I would suggest that any plan that discounts the importance of this is at risk of failure. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 11, 2013 10:54:55 GMT -6
Most of those who responded to questions of why they didn't renew said it had a lot to do with the arena. Maybe I'm just being ignorant, but I simply don't understand this. The venue in which they play would never turn me away from attending. Never. I understand everybody's situation is different, but how is the venue that much of a deterrent? Aren't we all there to watch the product on the floor? Next year I'm considering not renewing my tickets, and it has nothing to do with the arena. If it were about sightlines and size of building, the Arena would be a runaway winner. But my guess is most people liked to be able to go to games from work downtown, or go out to eat before the game at any number of places within walking distance. I know for people coming from the west side, you're talking about quite the drive. |
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Post by DunneDeal on Mar 11, 2013 12:38:13 GMT -6
My issue is I could walk from work to games downtown. Stop at Majors, grab a burger and drink then walk to the cell at 6:30.
Now I have drive to the eastside, try to find a place to go, Harry is pricey, SoLo/BlackRose there is no parking, so your pushed to North Ave and parking is scarce there too. Then you find a spot, BBC, Replay whatever, you need to chow, and get back into the car to make it down to the KC by 7, oh and you can't drink durnig the game. But overall you feel more rushed.
Now if we had an arena near North Ave, it would help, it would almost be like Loyola, where you can park walk down the block a bit, grab some food and walk back to the game. You dont need to move your car until after the game.
So, based on the choice, its the Cell. I like the KC, will still go to the KC. But a new arena off North Ave is 1st followed by UWM running the Cell.
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Post by gman2 on Mar 11, 2013 14:01:23 GMT -6
In the past I didn't care where they have played, I have attended games. For the next four seasons I won't care where they play because I have no intention of attending any of the games, much less following the program with any real interest.
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Mar 11, 2013 14:37:00 GMT -6
I don't understand this desire to be at The Cell. It's old and too far from campus. It may even be torn down for an expansion of The Convention Center or Bucks Arena. The Bradley Center is outdated and may have MU looking for a new place to play. UWM needs to consider more than the options presented. I voted for renovation of KC because it's keeps the arena on campus. I think an architect's rendering is needed to fully appreciate what the space can become. The other thought is that The Cambridge Corridor/North Ave. has land and is closer to campus than one might think. It's population is growing with new housing plans which bring in more bars and restaurants. It's an area that would enhance student life and makes UWM more attractive to undergrads and graduate students. The University needs to think outside the box. Finally, we need to fill the KC by putting a winning and exciting product on the floor.
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Post by gman2 on Mar 11, 2013 16:49:07 GMT -6
Finally, we need to fill the KC by putting a winning and exciting product on the floor. Which isn't going to happen anytime soon. This team isn't gaining talent faster than other HL teams, and the coaching certainly isn't going to improve. Any non-alumni fans will have forgotten UWM, moved on to Marquette, the new conference and new rivalries such as Butler. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 11, 2013 16:55:24 GMT -6
It's hard to say in how good or bad next year's team will be, since half the roster will be new.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 11, 2013 17:19:54 GMT -6
I'll take these one at a time. I don't understand this desire to be at The Cell. It's old and too far from campus. Hinkle Fieldhouse is 20 years older than the Arena. It's not the age. I would say, in fact, one of the biggest problems is that it does not embrace everything that has happened inside the facility. A short list: - The home of the Bucks: Kareem, Oscar Robertson, Sidney Moncrief, Jack Sikma. - The home of MU's glory years: every national banner except for the 2003 Final Four took place inside the Arena. Al McGuire, Hank Raymonds, Rick Majerus. - 1971 NBA Championship - Julius Erving's final career game - Oh yeah, by the way, every championship won by Milwaukee in D-I, as well as every court storming. It's not just sports: - Several WCW and WWF Pay-Per-Views, including... - 1996 King of the Ring. Stone Cold Steve Austin gave his "Austin 3:16" speech from the student section area. Any pro wrestling fan will tell you this was a seminal moment in the history of this particular form of entertainment. - The Beatles, Rolling Stones and many other musical acts played here. - UWM's Convocation is held here every year. A smaller facility, especially on campus, is simply unable to hold the people without splitting it into three consecutive ceremonies. It may even be torn down for an expansion of The Convention Center or Bucks Arena. Any Bucks arena is most definitely going to be on the land north of the Bradley Center. The convention center definitely needs to be expanded; the surface parking lots on the north and south sides of the building would be more than enough. That is if you can get the money to do either of those projects; I'm skeptical. The Bradley Center is outdated and may have MU looking for a new place to play. The Bradley Center is outdated for NBA games, not NCAA. Even if it were, that would be all the more reason for UWM to purchase the naming rights for the Arena ahead of time (at a very reasonable 300k per year); could you imagine the shame of the Marquette faithful if they'd have every home television game starting with a giant version of the logo at the top of this page? MARKETING. UWM needs to consider more than the options presented. I voted for renovation of KC because it's keeps the arena on campus. I think an architect's rendering is needed to fully appreciate what the space can become. There are several drawings from several architecture firms showing what could be done with the Klotsche space. Koonce had drawings done, Costello had drawings done, Geiger is in the same process. What it comes down to is the university capable of spending the kind of money that would make the Klotsche Center more than an obsolete gym the second it's finished? My sources have told me it's going to cost at least $26 million just to lower the floor and change the court to east-west so the stands aren't too steep. That would leave it the same building as it is today with more seats. No one is buying tickets there, and none of our donors (at least the big ones I've talked to - which is plenty) are going to give money for such a modest plan. The other thought is that The Cambridge Corridor/North Ave. has land and is closer to campus than one might think. It's population is growing with new housing plans which bring in more bars and restaurants. It's an area that would enhance student life and makes UWM more attractive to undergrads and graduate students. The University needs to think outside the box. I am thinking outside the box, it's the current plan on the table that looks like a cop-out. The Cambridge Corridor and North Avenue ideas are all well and good - let's not forget that it was my website that showed us the possibilities of such a building. But ask the architect himself, he'll tell you that plan would cost upwards of $200 million. We don't have that kind of money, and even if all of our donors were willing to make it happen, the deck is stacked against that ever happening. People tell me that I'm "daydreaming" yet we're bringing up a plan that won't work unless one of us can come up with $150 million. Finally, we need to fill the KC by putting a winning and exciting product on the floor. This is the ultimate problem. Ten years ago this wasn't an issue because we hadn't seen success at the MECCA and the only success we had seen was in the Klotsche Center, for a fleeting moment. Now that the past 10 years have happened, we've got a history in a facility that is an outstanding place to watch a game of basketball, where prospective players know about its history. It also would cost a heck of a lot less money than a permanent facility. Everyone wants to point back and say that Bruce Pearl won a title in the Klotsche. And what was the first thing he did? He spearheaded the movement to get us into the Arena in the first place! If there's any way any of you can reach him, please do - ask him what the right choice is. And don't forget this: if my plan were to work, we could always use the bump as a program to spur us on to construction of an on-campus arena. A Klotsche renovation will lock us in that dungeon forever. Think today, think tomorrow, think ten years down the road. |
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Post by uwmfutbol on Mar 11, 2013 17:40:32 GMT -6
I voted for the renovation, but only because that's the closest to what I actually want: a 7000 seat arena. I love the Cell, but it's a money pit. Maybe if UWM owned it.
That said, this is all a waste of time and futile until the AD makes some significant changes in the coaching personnel.
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