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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 18:45:12 GMT -6
"Oh yeah, by the way, every championship won by Milwaukee in D-I, as well as every court storming."
Not true re: court storming.
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Post by dutchpthr on Mar 11, 2013 19:03:22 GMT -6
my comments are everything freak stated already, he said it all....
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Mar 11, 2013 20:51:30 GMT -6
When did this board become the AD version of Madden? LOL...Madden AD! |
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Lutzow10
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Post by Lutzow10 on Mar 11, 2013 22:38:42 GMT -6
When I went to school we played in the KC and lost to Notre Dame at the buzzer on a missed basket. Our record had nothing to do with where we played. Its also funny you guys really think that gym size matters in recruiting. Talent follows coaching and proven winners -- not facilities. Couldn't have said it better myself. Previous coaches recruited some outstanding players when the K was our home. What's the difference now? The coaches. The recruiting philosophy. Some are afraid or unwilling to come to grips with that reality. How about the fact that everyone else is improving their facilities and we are still in the K.... I was an athlete being recruited to play in college. Got looks from schools all across the board to play football. And i will tell you one thing. Facilities are a huge part of it. When you see facilities you are seeing the commitment the school has towards athletics and the sport you are being recruited to play. The biggest reason I didnt play at Valpo wasn't that they were god awful, it was the fact that their facilities were 10 times worse than Wartburg college (a D-3 school in Iowa.) i saw a school that didnt care about football. The other reason that facilities are so important is that the saying a picture is worth a thousand words is completely true. What you see on those visits is the biggest thing you remember by far. What you are told are talk about is secondary. That first impression, that most important impression you get is fro what you see. And if i was looking at UWM and saw the K, and visited a smaller D-1 school and see a better facility, its hard to side with UWM. Honestly the only reason UWM might win in my eyes is that the campus itself is cool. So yes, facilities are a huge factor. Saying anything different is ignorant. The only thing that speaks louder than facilities is winning. And winning consistently. Because that shows that the program itself is strong. But if the facilities still suck, it tells me that the school doesnt care about the program and thats a big negative. |
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Post by Lutzow10 on Mar 11, 2013 22:47:47 GMT -6
Yep, the arena is just a distraction from the real problem. We can have a multi-million dollar facility, but if the product on the court is terrible, then it will just be an enormous waste of space. Start winning and playing exciting basketball and the new or improved facility wont be too far behind. When did this board become the AD version of Madden? At one time we talked about NCAA basketball. Yes winning leads to support and support leads to facilities. But it works both ways. Good facilities are conducive to winning. And vis versa. Both paths are conducive to a successful program in all aspects. Winning gets fans, facilities get good players to go to your school. Its a balancing act. Since we aren't winning, we need the facilities. The facilities will get better players, better players mean winning, and winning means fans. The only thing that isn't really a part of that specific equation is coaching. Coaching is separate but it effects all of those factors. But i am not getting into that argument. |
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Post by Lutzow10 on Mar 11, 2013 23:11:20 GMT -6
I honestly don't understand the ignorance of a lot of the people commenting on here. So many comments are being made without looking at all of the facts. The are just bias opinions that aren't considering all of the information at hand.
Also, i don't understand why any of us could possibly be against progress and forward thinking ideas when a good portion of them are much cheaper than some of the ideas that only let us play catch up with the rest of the NCAA. Why are so many people afraid to see what would happen if we actually strived to be more than we currently are.
Quite frankly i am open to listen to any ideas that anyone has or will have. But I refuse to get behind any ideas that don't consider all the facts, and that don't strive to move our program as far forward as we can.(key word is strive)
But there is so much pessimism and negativity cast towards people that just want to see this school make the best decision for our future. And thats the thing i just don't understand. How can any alum, student, or fan not want to see this program and school strive for better things, to push to be better. So many people are perfectly fine with settling.
To those people that are fine with settling, quit complaining about the team not being to the level it once was. Because its settling that is keeping us where we are at. Progress is progress for a reason. Progress comes from not settling and knowing that everyone else is progressing too. You can't settle even when you are succeeding at what you are doing because sooner or later everyone else is going to pass you.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 12, 2013 0:48:37 GMT -6
"Oh yeah, by the way, every championship won by Milwaukee in D-I, as well as every court storming." Not true re: court storming. Pardon me. Didn't know of any at the KC. What this all comes back to is commitment. The Klotsche as it stands shows the university has no commitment to the basketball program - whether that's true or not. It is true that either buying the naming rights to the Arena or building a Gentile-style arena would prove that the university is committed to the program - with one major difference. In my plan, roughly $40 million is spent on a palace of a home for practice the envy of the entire country, a mansion of a home for players, and naming rights that show everyone in the city that the Arena is "our house." In the Klotsche reno plan, roughly $40 million is spent on a home for practice that will be adequate to our current needs but will not help the program on the national stage, as well as solve our need for a permanent home for the basketball program. That difference is my plan leaves room to grow; it's inspiring for donors, so you're more likely to get money to build it, but it's also open-ended. When my plan is done, we can still make a push in the future to get a permanent home for the basketball program. The other plan locks us in - there's little wiggle room for negotiation. You can still renovate the Klotsche to be a legitimate D-I facility down the road or go after the big fish on North Avenue. With the other plan, that's it. There's no going back, every update after the original would be to fix problems with the initial project. With a $35 million practice facility and players and students living in the Alumni House, the coaching staff - no matter who is the head coach or assistants - is recruiting top 100 players exclusively. That team wins big in the Horizon or the MVC. That team puts fans in the stands. Those players become Banner Boyz. And it does it consistently. It creates a dynamic program that draws in fans from the five-county area over a long time, where even the Arena may be a tough ticket. It creates a fan base that may make Joe's thesis a legitimate goal. With a practice facility between $8 million and $15 million and games being played at renovated Klotsche for ~$26 million, the coaching staff gets back to beating Horizon League and MVC teams for recruits, Maybe goes after a top 150 kid here or there and sets us up to be a possible MVC team. It doesn't inspire donors, so it's going to be that much more difficult to raise money. The team probably becomes one of the 2-3 best programs in the conference, goes to the tournament every few years and enjoys its occasional spotlight when it goes to the tournament in down years for Bucky or MU. During construction, the Klotsche Center is completely shut down - not insignificant when you have over 1,000 students and employees working out in the building every day. I'm sure parking could still be open during that time. Just assume we have $40 million that we plan to spend on basketball. Doesn't it make sense to do it the right way? We're late to the party, so we've seen how everyone else has punched their dance card. We can craft this project to jump to the top of the heap. All I'm saying is that if we're going to spend $40 million, let's not do it to solve today's problems and today's problems alone. Let's do it to give us a leg up on today, tomorrow and the future. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 12, 2013 2:41:51 GMT -6
To those people that are fine with settling, quit complaining about the team not being to the level it once was. I was with you until this. These people have earned the right to gripe. I have griped myself many times this season. But they should learn from the past. If the 2002-03 season is an indication of the fact that a team can win in the KC, then surely every move by Bruce Pearl to get us out of that building ASAP should show fans what we stand to lose by continuing to play there. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 6:20:54 GMT -6
But, you didn't give any facts, just your opinion.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 12, 2013 8:09:48 GMT -6
To those people that are fine with settling, quit complaining about the team not being to the level it once was. I was with you until this. These people have earned the right to gripe. I have griped myself many times this season. But they should learn from the past. If the 2002-03 season is an indication of the fact that a team can win in the KC, then surely every move by Bruce Pearl to get us out of that building ASAP should show fans what we stand to lose by continuing to play there. I'm not sure anybody is arguing that we should stay at the Klotsche. You gave three imperfect options in that vote. If your 4th option was to build something new, 75% of us at a minimum would choose that. I'm just sick of the underlying tone being that the basketball facilities are the number 1 issue for the basketball program. You can get to the tournament with good facilities or bad facilities. Bruce proved that. You can't get to the tournament with mediocre/bad coaching. The number 1 issue for the Milwaukee basketball program is the boondoggle that is our Head Coach's contract. Period. |
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 12, 2013 8:14:09 GMT -6
How about the fact that everyone else is improving their facilities and we are still in the K.... I was an athlete being recruited to play in college. Got looks from schools all across the board to play football. And i will tell you one thing. Facilities are a huge part of it. When you see facilities you are seeing the commitment the school has towards athletics and the sport you are being recruited to play. The biggest reason I didnt play at Valpo wasn't that they were god awful, it was the fact that their facilities were 10 times worse than Wartburg college (a D-3 school in Iowa.) i saw a school that didnt care about football. The other reason that facilities are so important is that the saying a picture is worth a thousand words is completely true. What you see on those visits is the biggest thing you remember by far. What you are told are talk about is secondary. That first impression, that most important impression you get is fro what you see. And if i was looking at UWM and saw the K, and visited a smaller D-1 school and see a better facility, its hard to side with UWM. Honestly the only reason UWM might win in my eyes is that the campus itself is cool. So yes, facilities are a huge factor. Saying anything different is ignorant. The only thing that speaks louder than facilities is winning. And winning consistently. Because that shows that the program itself is strong. But if the facilities still suck, it tells me that the school doesnt care about the program and thats a big negative. I'm not saying the facilities don't matter. They do, unequivocally. Nobody here is saying facilities aren't a huge factor. I actually agree with just about everything you're saying. My argument is against people that are skipping out on going to games because they're being played at the K. I can understand missing a few because it's not as convenient. I just don't quite understand those "boycotting" the program because of the facility. What I do understand is why people are considering boycotting the program because of the direction it is heading in under Coach Jeter. |
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Post by Lutzow10 on Mar 12, 2013 8:26:33 GMT -6
Coaching is the argument that i haven't been able to make up my mind about. Haha. So i just leave that one to you all to argue about. Lol
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Post by Lutzow10 on Mar 12, 2013 8:32:12 GMT -6
But, you didn't give any facts, just your opinion. I personally am not set on what we should do. Hence why i haven't said unequivocally what i think should be done. But i do know a good portion of what people are saying aren't taking factors into consideration. |
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 12, 2013 8:39:55 GMT -6
It's hard to say in how good or bad next year's team will be, since half the roster will be new. Who cares? It'll be the same coach. |
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Post by Lutzow10 on Mar 12, 2013 8:45:28 GMT -6
To those people that are fine with settling, quit complaining about the team not being to the level it once was. I was with you until this. These people have earned the right to gripe. I have griped myself many times this season. But they should learn from the past. If the 2002-03 season is an indication of the fact that a team can win in the KC, then surely every move by Bruce Pearl to get us out of that building ASAP should show fans what we stand to lose by continuing to play there. But isn't gripping about not being good now while at the same time being okay with a no ambition approach in athletics/ giving people sh*t for wanting to progress as a program, counterintuitive. I am perfectly fine with griping. Its part of what being a sports fan is about. Its a great coping mechanism. And i am totally on page with you that they have earned that right. And even if i don't agree with it all the time by all means voice what you think and feel. I just don't get the thinking behind it is all. How can people complain about not winning but at the same time give people sh*t for wanting this program to be ambitious and go above and beyond when possible. And by all means, going above and beyond is completely a possibility at this point. We know that there are plenty of options that fit within our budget that could do so much more for this program than just settling for a gentile sized arena. Thats my point. |
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