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Post by FTA1982 on Nov 25, 2012 22:30:36 GMT -6
Where are all the Fire Jeter Whackoes?  He won't be fired, I just won't care again until someone else takes over. |
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Post by loveyouso on Nov 25, 2012 23:04:37 GMT -6
Before I comment, I better respond to the post that I made after the YSU loss last year. No apology, no excuse. I WAS WRONG. OK?
In a discussion that I had with Andy Geiger about firing Mark Duffner at MD, Geiger said if you want to fire a coach you better have a good replacement in mind. Duffner went 3-9 & 2-8 in his first 2 years. which is considerably worse than Jeter has had here.
Did you watch the Packers game tonight. If I remember correctly Tom Coughlin was fired by Jacksonville. How has Jacksonville done since Coughlin's firing? How have the Giants done since his hiring?
Where is the fellow that defended MN's firing of Glen Mason? Kill has really turned things around, hasn't he ? Pitt fired Dave W. after a 7-5 season. Graham went 6-6. This year's team needs a win to go 6-6. What is the point of firing a winning coach.
GO ROB GO!!
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Post by milwsport on Nov 26, 2012 0:29:18 GMT -6
What are you saying is true. It's equally true that Wisconsin fired Don Morton and got Barry Alvarez. The Packer's fired Sherman and got Mc Carthy.
Point is that sometimes in a different situation, a coach might excel, but sometimes not. There are no guarantees. What we have here is the highest paid coach in the league, employed by a cash strapped Athletic Department. We have a right to expect more than double digit losses to the likes of Arkansas Little Rock, Jacksonville and Rider.
Moving back to the Klotsche doesn't help recruiting any, but at the same time, losses like these aren't going to put the butts in the seats that the program needs in order to rock the house and make recruits want to come here.
All that being said, the season is still relatively young. There's nothing that can or should change now.
We need to look at how things turn out at the end and then make an assessment. Meanwhile let's hope for the best
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Post by loveyouso on Nov 26, 2012 1:52:01 GMT -6
milwsport: No problem with anything that you blogged. I never heard of Don Morton. I thought Ray Rhodes deserved more than 1 year. But, Sherman did OK, except for his last year. Typo on Mark Duffner's MD record 3-8. 2-9. (I then dropped my season tickets). He then went 4-7, 6-5 and 5-6. He was then fired by Andy Geiger's successor, whomever that was.
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Post by PantherU on Nov 26, 2012 4:04:32 GMT -6
There are many instances of success and failure after firing a coach with the success of Jeter. His tenure is probably best described as "above average."
In any case, I'm far more worried about the loss to Jacksonville than the loss to Rider or UALR. The latter two will compete for titles in the MAAC and Sun Belt, lesser conferences though they may be. Jacksonville isn't going to win anything.
I'm disappointed. The full post is on the website. We've seen this scenario play out far too many times. Even if we go to the NCAA Tournament on an automatic bid, this team will have missed opportunities. The endgame is still alive and won't be dead until March, but there's no pretending this wasn't an awful week in the Jeter era.
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Post by 2543nick on Nov 26, 2012 9:15:29 GMT -6
Before I comment, I better respond to the post that I made after the YSU loss last year. No apology, no excuse. I WAS WRONG. OK? In a discussion that I had with Andy Geiger about firing Mark Duffner at MD, Geiger said if you want to fire a coach you better have a good replacement in mind. Duffner went 3-9 & 2-8 in his first 2 years. which is considerably worse than Jeter has had here. Did you watch the Packers game tonight. If I remember correctly Tom Coughlin was fired by Jacksonville. How has Jacksonville done since Coughlin's firing? How have the Giants done since his hiring? Where is the fellow that defended MN's firing of Glen Mason? Kill has really turned things around, hasn't he ? Pitt fired Dave W. after a 7-5 season. Graham went 6-6. This year's team needs a win to go 6-6. What is the point of firing a winning coach. GO ROB GO!! Your 2012-13 Panthers (and every year under Jeter) - Striving for mediocrity! That will put people in the seats. |
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Post by uwm97 on Nov 26, 2012 12:24:17 GMT -6
From the post-game:
"It's frustrating to say the least. Pressure causes some of those turnovers but in the half court, now we have to get back to playing our pace and I don't think this entire trip we were able to play at our pace."
Wait a minute: wasn't our "pace" supposed to be "faster" this year regardless? So the pace should've been conducive to our exciting new style of play, correct?
No. As usual, this talk of up-tempo was nothing more than the usual bluster we hear every few years to excite the casual fan. Then, as usual, we see the same thing we always see: 30 seconds of mindless offense followed by a desperation 3 with the shot clock winding down. Why would any casual fan waste their time watching that?
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Post by pnthr2bag on Nov 26, 2012 12:51:52 GMT -6
Calling Kyle Kelm....where the hell have you been....he was supposed to be a big part of the offense, and i'm sorry if I've missed it, but he has been pretty non existent if you ask me...im basing this all off of, radio feeds and game tracker....
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Post by uwm97 on Nov 26, 2012 13:15:40 GMT -6
Before I comment, I better respond to the post that I made after the YSU loss last year. No apology, no excuse. I WAS WRONG. OK? In a discussion that I had with Andy Geiger about firing Mark Duffner at MD, Geiger said if you want to fire a coach you better have a good replacement in mind. Duffner went 3-9 & 2-8 in his first 2 years. which is considerably worse than Jeter has had here. Did you watch the Packers game tonight. If I remember correctly Tom Coughlin was fired by Jacksonville. How has Jacksonville done since Coughlin's firing? How have the Giants done since his hiring? Where is the fellow that defended MN's firing of Glen Mason? Kill has really turned things around, hasn't he ? Pitt fired Dave W. after a 7-5 season. Graham went 6-6. This year's team needs a win to go 6-6. What is the point of firing a winning coach. GO ROB GO!! This Tom Coughlin talk is utter nonsense. Coughlin got fired by Jacksonville after three straight losing seasons and had lost the team at the end of each of those seasons. There isn't a coach in the NFL who would've kept his job under that scenario. So let's move on as using that example as a rationale for somehow keeping Jeter is totally absurd and a non-sequitur. Jeter is able to keep his job through an onerous contract primarily and a program that hasn't laid out expectations on what succes is from a secondary standpoint. What is the goal every year? "Compete" for the HL title? What does that mean? This will be the 7th year since its last NCAA appearance. There has been one HL regular season title with his own guys. This year is following a familiar script that's been routine. And your response is "Go Rob Go." I find that pathetic. |
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Post by dutchpthr on Nov 26, 2012 13:45:07 GMT -6
Jeter is able to keep his job through an onerous contract primarily and a program that hasn't laid out expectations on what succes is from a secondary standpoint. What is the goal every year? "Compete" for the HL title? What does that mean? This will be the 7th year since its last NCAA appearance. There has been one HL regular season title with his own guys. This year is following a familiar script that's been routine. I think there is a real sense this is the major under lying problem. With all the issues we have had for so long in the leadership of the Athletic Department there has not been anyone that has said this is what we want this is what we expect and this is what needs to be done. Now to be fair it is hard to do that when there isn't really anyone in the position to lay any of that out. 97 hit on a one other thing, the contract length, and the money involved, for a program that was never financially all that stable we really put ourselves at massive disadvantages by just adding on years and years to the deals of our major sport coaches. I guess i just don't want the men to have to go thru the something the women;s team did to make a change of any kind, if they do that will nearly kill the program overall i think, and it will make a new arena become something of a huge pipe dream i fear. Here is the issue to me, there has to be a change of attitude and mindset. Something i think some of us have been looking for. I'm not saying i want to watch a team that goes out and whines and complains for ever single call or play to go their way (i.e. the true Butler way) but i just have not seen the fire, the emotion, the passion for this program the way we have in the past in a long time. I am in no way calling for a return or Pearl or anything like that so don't even start any of that, I'm just saying for a group that wanted to push the Milwaukee brand there is not a lot of brand enthusiasm that i am seeing, and if you don't believe in your brand how do you expect others to believe in it as well? |
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Post by loveyouso on Nov 26, 2012 15:29:19 GMT -6
UWM97:
Fire a coach after 3 losing seasons? Sure. The "new" Cleveland Browns fired their first coach after 3 losing seasons, and what have they done since? What has Jacksonville done since Coughlin was fired.
Should a "moderately successful" coach be EVER fired? Sure. A PERFECT example is John Cooper. He ruined one of the most talented teams that I have ever seen (The '96 Buckeyes) by not being able to make a decision on a starting QB. BUT, Geiger obviously had a successor in mind, by the name of Jim Tressel. But, I think that is the exception that proves the rule: Don't fire a "Moderately successful" coach, such as ROB JETER!!!
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 26, 2012 15:34:51 GMT -6
Pop in a video of the Round of 32 game against B.C. That's the template for success and it seems to be sorely lacking. Instead, there's a disturbing casualness that exists within the program.
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Post by mrjamesscott on Nov 26, 2012 15:53:33 GMT -6
i just think we all see the effect of not having Paris Gulley. a great knock down 3 point shooter who can spread the floor and take some of the ball handling load off of Jordan Aaron. Once Paris returns i think we are going to see a much better panther team.
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Post by uwm97 on Nov 26, 2012 15:54:03 GMT -6
Loveyouso:
Here's the problem: Geiger is an admitted short-timer here. He isn't going to replace Jeter, leave, and then saddle the new AD with a coach who isn't his guy. So this problem doesn't get resolved until the new AD is aboard.
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Post by uwm97 on Nov 26, 2012 15:58:03 GMT -6
Pop in a video of the Round of 32 game against B.C. That's the template for success and it seems to be sorely lacking. Instead, there's a disturbing casualness that exists within the program. Bingo. That group of guys would run through a brick wall for their coach and teammates. Pearl knew how to coach, sure, but was an even better motivator. And he had the total trust of his players. How can Jeter's players trust him when they don't even know what the hell style of play they're running? |
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