Beer and Klotsche

[PantherU]

Look at what they were all arrested for. Noise violations? Underage drinking? These are normally citations but were arrests because Flynn is a PR hound.

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[Lutzow10]

I know its ridiculous. I read an editorial piece in the school paper written by some group and it basically said that the neighborhood tries to do everything they can to f*** students over. Well not so literally. Just made it seem like it and that this group was somewhat on the side of te community.

Just walked over to 7/11 the other day and apparently the community is trying to stop the city from renewing their liquor license (beer) they had chains on the cases and the guy said until the issue is resolved they dont have a license. Its ridiculous.

[PantherU]

Sept 10, 2012 22:29:45 GMT -6 Lutzow10 said:

I know its ridiculous. I read an editorial piece in the school paper written by some group and it basically said that the neighborhood tries to do everything they can to f**k students over. Well not so literally. Just made it seem like it and that this group was somewhat on the side of te community.

Just walked over to 7/11 the other day and apparently the community is trying to stop the city from renewing their liquor license (beer) they had chains on the cases and the guy said until the issue is resolved they dont have a license. Its ridiculous.

Josh, let this be your "Welcome to UWM" moment. Be prepared to be frustrated with anyone and everyone around you. All the pieces are there for the place to be amazing, but everywhere there's a little bit of idiocy to remind you just how far we have to go.




For alums like me who didn't know, 7/11 is now in the old Open Pantry space on Hartford and Oakland.

[boosyourdaddy]

Sept 10, 2012 16:16:56 GMT -6 Lutzow10 said:

I am not saying that a lot of these were most likely justified. But i am so tired of people who live near campus complaining about things that they should have known would be the norm around a college campus. Dont move here and then expect it to be a nice quiet neighborhood. Yes it gets out of hand but there are going to be parties and noise on weekends. If u dont like it why did u move here. I mean most of the people living in the area moved in after the school merged with the UW system.

It also bugs me that in some of te things i have read they make uwm out to be way worse than most colleges and surrounding neighborhoods. If u are at madison noise and parties are ten times worse in the surrounding neighborhoods. Same with u of I. As uwm becomes a more residential campus and students are living o or i the surrounding neiborhoods more and more this is going to continue to be the norm. People should just get used to it.

The issue is, just as it was stated in the article, many of these people have been living in these homes far before there was an influx of students living near the school. This is their neighborhood as much as it is a student's, who likely moves around renting places each year and doesn't pay property taxes or own the roof above their head. Even 20 years ago, there were far less than half the number of students renting in the area than there is today. If you go back another decade, its prob even half of the previous number. This isn't Madison where students have been living in the neighborhoods surrounding campus as long as the school has been around. I don't think its accurate to say that most people moved in after UWM became more than just a commuter school.

Being loud and drunk and disrespectful does not have to be the norm. Respect your neighbors. If there is a mutual respect and open dialogue, you will be surprised with how much more your neighbors are willing to tolerate. Nobody is asking you not to party. They're just asking you to keep it at an acceptable level and respect those around you. I don't care what is going on as long as I don't have to hear it when I'm sitting in my house next door. If I close my windows and make an effort to eliminate as much or your noise as possible and I can still hear it, you are being a nuisance.

Asking someone to move out of the home they have lived in before you were even born because you want to drink and be loud and host parties is ridiculous. Its not as if they decided to move/continue to live above a bar on Water St. Those permanent residents moving their families and all of the things they own is a lot more difficult than a student moving their bed, desk and futon from a rental property.

I used to have the same mentality as most students regarding their permanent resident neighbors. Then I realized that you can still have fun and party (even host parties) without pissing off your neighbors. Most of the permanent residents around campus are not bad people are willing to put up with a lot. A little bit of communication goes a long way. Don't assume they are bad people or out to get you because there is a van parked in back and a stroller on the front porch instead of 20 empty beer cans from last week.

[boosyourdaddy]

Sorry for the above rant....

I will say that I have been extremely disappointed with almost everything since word came down that basketball would be moving back to campus. Not selling beer is a huge gripe for me. I drink at 75% of the games I go to. I thought the goal here was to stop wasting money on the rental of the Cell and get this new arena built. As the AD bleeds money, every effort to make a buck should be made. This includes the sale of alcohol. The amount of money made in alcohol sales would fund many of these improvements at the KC on their own.

I have a huge problem with the price increase for the Panther Pit and its location. I stopped donating the money to have access to the Panther Pit last year when I realized they rarely checked who was going in and out. I would have no problems this year paying the same as I would have last year just to have access to alcohol for myself and whoever I take to the game. When I found out its 4x more than it was in the past and wasn't even going to be on the same level as the field house, I almost died.

Couple this with the pricing (which seems to be the same or more expensive than the Cell despite the promising news that they would be cheaper due to not having to pay Center District fees) at the KC for tickets in a gym that is a step below what they just did to my old high school and I'm about ready to bail on tickets unless something blows me away this year.

I feel like many of the positives they tried to throw at us when the move was announced have been proven false in recent months or remain to be seen.

[skrapheap]

Sept 11, 2012 10:57:17 GMT -6 boosyourdaddy said:

The issue is, just as it was stated in the article, many of these people have been living in these homes far before there was an influx of students living near the school. This is their neighborhood as much as it is a student's, who likely moves around renting places each year and doesn't pay property taxes or own the roof above their head. Even 20 years ago, there were far less than half the number of students renting in the area than there is today. If you go back another decade, its prob even half of the previous number. This isn't Madison where students have been living in the neighborhoods surrounding campus as long as the school has been around. I don't think its accurate to say that most people moved in after UWM became more than just a commuter school.

i don't think what you are saying is quite accurate, unless the people who are complaining have owned property near the campus for the past 40 years or more.

i don't know how large the student population of the WSC, Milwaukee was, or how large the population of the UW Milwaukee center was, in 1956. i believe the total student population was already over 20,000 by the late 1960s/early 70s, and i don't think the University had significant dorm space until the Sandburg Hall complex was built in the 1970s. i don't think the Park and Ride system or the UPass dates back to the 60s, either. So there had to be a fairly significant part of the student population living near the campus during at the time, not all of whom were mature enough to live as responsible citizens.

None of the above is intended in any way to excuse the kind of behavior talked about in the article. i just think that, for some of UWM's critics, the misbehavior of students is just a convenient excuse to hate UWM even more. For that reason, i think the university's efforts to educate students about their responsibilities to their neighbors are a good thing. You don't want to give your enemies more ammunition to use in their attacks against you.

i wonder how successful those efforts are going to be, though. You can tell and tell and tell 18 year-olds that they need to play nicely with their neighbors. The more mature ones will understand and will play nicely. The folks who are getting ticketed and hauled in are the ones who learn slowly, if at all. i don't know what you can do with them until they grow up enough to learn the lesson.

Edit: The District One Police Captain was quoted as saying ""We are here to give these neighborhoods back to the people who live here." So were the students who were busted people who live on campus, or off campus, and if off campus, do they live in the neighborhoods where they were arrested?

[Lutzow10]

Sept 11, 2012 13:05:49 GMT -6 skrapheap said:

Sept 11, 2012 10:57:17 GMT -6 boosyourdaddy said:

The issue is, just as it was stated in the article, many of these people have been living in these homes far before there was an influx of students living near the school. This is their neighborhood as much as it is a student's, who likely moves around renting places each year and doesn't pay property taxes or own the roof above their head. Even 20 years ago, there were far less than half the number of students renting in the area than there is today. If you go back another decade, its prob even half of the previous number. This isn't Madison where students have been living in the neighborhoods surrounding campus as long as the school has been around. I don't think its accurate to say that most people moved in after UWM became more than just a commuter school.

i don't think what you are saying is quite accurate, unless the people who are complaining have owned property near the campus for the past 40 years or more.

i don't know how large the student population of the WSC, Milwaukee was, or how large the population of the UW Milwaukee center was, in 1956. i believe the total student population was already over 20,000 by the late 1960s/early 70s, and i don't think the University had significant dorm space until the Sandburg Hall complex was built in the 1970s. i don't think the Park and Ride system or the UPass dates back to the 60s, either. So there had to be a fairly significant part of the student population living near the campus during at the time, not all of whom were mature enough to live as responsible citizens.

None of the above is intended in any way to excuse the kind of behavior talked about in the article. i just think that, for some of UWM's critics, the misbehavior of students is just a convenient excuse to hate UWM even more. For that reason, i think the university's efforts to educate students about their responsibilities to their neighbors are a good thing. You don't want to give your enemies more ammunition to use in their attacks against you.

i wonder how successful those efforts are going to be, though. You can tell and tell and tell 18 year-olds that they need to play nicely with their neighbors. The more mature ones will understand and will play nicely. The folks who are getting ticketed and hauled in are the ones who learn slowly, if at all. i don't know what you can do with them until they grow up enough to learn the lesson.

Edit: The District One Police Captain was quoted as saying ""We are here to give these neighborhoods back to the people who live here." So were the students who were busted people who live on campus, or off campus, and if off campus, do they live in the neighborhoods where they were arrested?

To both of you guys:

I am not as mad about the arrests as i am about their use as a way to make UWM students look worse than the average college student. I completely agree that there needs to be respect given to non-student residents by students and when students do not reapect their neighbors i have no problem with and completely agree that actions should be taken in these cases.

The problem i have is that the community has an extreme lac of respect for the students. Yes students should be considerate and if they arent then should be punished. But trying to force negative press, and attacking students right to drink and party in a legal manner is not okay.

I am 21 years of age and drink i a responsible manner as do many of my friends. Why is it okay for the community to try and stop local stores from selling alcohol to of age students. Its already hard enough to purchase alcohol with the 9 oclock stop of liquor sales.

This push by the community to crack down on students is just going way overboard. I don't support underage drinking but it is college and there are students who, while drinking illegally yes, aren't causing problems. Yes it should be harder for them to purchase alcohol but with this crazy crackdown a lot of students who most likely werent going to cause problems for anyone were given tickets or arrested for underage posession just because there were so many more cops looking for it during the crackdown.

I honestly dont know the best way to handle it, but the whole situation this past weekend just seemed excessive. I highly doubt there were anymore issues than in average, but i do think that a larger group of students who probably werent even bothering residents were arrested or ticketed just because cops were cracking down.

And of course the community doesnt see that putting this in the limelight makes our school look bad when in all reality it is probably better than most of the large schools in the country.

[Lutzow10]

As for beer in the Klotsche, i am just so confused by what school officials are thinking. Like honestly what is going through there head that some of these ideas sound good to them. The new panther pit plan is almost so bad that i almost think they would have looked better without a panther pit at all. the ideas just seem so bad that i can see them only frustrating people more. I am honestly dumbfounded. They have all these opportunities and i keep thinking they are going to go in one direction and they f*** it up every time. I am almost to the point where i am just assuming they are going to fail with all of their plans with upgrades and a new arena. And how are we supposed to think otherwise when they finally announce things and they are such garbage ideas.

[dutchpthr]

Sept 11, 2012 16:26:25 GMT -6 Lutzow10 said:

As for beer in the Klotsche, i am just so confused by what school officials are thinking. Like honestly what is going through there head that some of these ideas sound good to them. The new panther pit plan is almost so bad that i almost think they would have looked better without a panther pit at all. the ideas just seem so bad that i can see them only frustrating people more. I am honestly dumbfounded. They have all these opportunities and i keep thinking they are going to go in one direction and they f**k it up every time. I am almost to the point where i am just assuming they are going to fail with all of their plans with upgrades and a new arena. And how are we supposed to think otherwise when they finally announce things and they are such garbage ideas.

From what i know, the idea to not sell beer was not shared by everyone in the AD, but it was put in place by those who have the say so on those things, and there are those who share the same idea to this situation as you and many others have said.

Again im not against selling beer, i would for sure enjoy one or two if the option was there per game, but i also don;t think it is as big of an issue as some are making it, there are far greater problems with the Klotsche then just the ability or willingness to sell beer there.

[repoman]

Sept 10, 2012 18:07:53 GMT -6 royalty414 said:

How about the fact that at least 6 of those students arrested were student athletes.

fox6now.com/2012/09/09/mpd-uwm-police-operation-nets-39-arrests-saturday/

I assume, they are all on the basketball team as well. I'm sick and tired of the culture of our team. They'd rather drink all the time, than win games and get us to tournament play in March. I wouldn't care if there wasn't evidence that shows otherwise. Our record has been atrocious on weekend day games.

There was no report that they were all on the basketball team but putting that aside, I'd recommend getting off your high horse. Its friggen September and you are ragging on them drinking during the first couple of weeks back it school? Lets get real, these are college students. They don't live, breathe, and sleep basketball. Most will never play beyond UWM. Who cares if they like to party? Do you expect all student athletes to just practice, play ball, and study? I was at UWM during the Antrim era and those dudes were partying all the time and still managed to be a great team.

[royalty414]

Sept 12, 2012 10:01:49 GMT -6 repoman said:

Sept 10, 2012 18:07:53 GMT -6 royalty414 said:

How about the fact that at least 6 of those students arrested were student athletes.

fox6now.com/2012/09/09/mpd-uwm-police-operation-nets-39-arrests-saturday/

I assume, they are all on the basketball team as well. I'm sick and tired of the culture of our team. They'd rather drink all the time, than win games and get us to tournament play in March. I wouldn't care if there wasn't evidence that shows otherwise. Our record has been atrocious on weekend day games.

There was no report that they were all on the basketball team but putting that aside, I'd recommend getting off your high horse. Its friggen September and you are ragging on them drinking during the first couple of weeks back it school? Lets get real, these are college students. They don't live, breathe, and sleep basketball. Most will never play beyond UWM. Who cares if they like to party? Do you expect all student athletes to just practice, play ball, and study? I was at UWM during the Antrim era and those dudes were partying all the time and still managed to be a great team.

I only care that they continuously find themselves in trouble when they're drinking both here and when they're on the road. It happens too much. I could elaborate on the past weekend's citations/arrests and I do know who the 6 are, but won't because I don't want to throw those players under the bus. However, I will say that yes, I do hold the entire team to a higher standard. They need to be smarter when they're out partying. If you're a D-1 college athlete, I'm pretty sure all they did was eat, breathe and sleep their sport in order to get a scholarship. Maybe I'm asking too much for the team to want to win each game instead of them wondering what they're going to do after the game.

[illwauk]

If I was an 18-year old kid who got shown a quality basketball arena like the Cell when I was being recruited only to be told I would actually have to play ball at a creaky, outdated venue that's not even as nice as the practice facilities that some schools have, I'd probably be as concerned about getting sh*tfaced too.

Until Geiger puts forth so much as a solid plan and timetable for a new arena, I'm going to see him for what he is... an out-of-touch baby-boomer living off his past accomplishments.

[Pounce Needs Pals]

Sept 14, 2012 12:22:16 GMT -6 illwauk said:

Until Geiger puts forth so much as a solid plan and timetable for a new arena, I'm going to see him for what he is... an out-of-touch baby-boomer living off his past accomplishments.

Geiger has only been on the job for about 5 months. If there is no money, how can there be a plan? He did say 3-5 yaers on a new practice building.

I think a nice timeline would be end of the basketball season with some idea of a solid plan.

[illwauk]

Yay, a practice building... THAT'LL legitimize Milwaukee athletics in the community.

Why not build a new arena with what we already have donated and use THAT for practice? Northern Iowa built a very nice facility for $30 Million... don't we already have 2/3rds of that?

[JG Panthers]

Sept 14, 2012 12:37:06 GMT -6 illwauk said:

Yay, a practice building... THAT'LL legitimize Milwaukee athletics in the community.

Why not build a new arena with what we already have donated and use THAT for practice? Northern Iowa built a very nice facility for $30 Million... don't we already have 2/3rds of that?

I understand and echo your frustration, but you're being unrealistic here. Did you really expect everything to be figured out by Geiger within his first few months here? I didn't...