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Post by illwauk on Jan 9, 2012 16:47:09 GMT -6
The Milwaukee Panthers. Milwaukee's College Team. Good stuff! I also like "Your city is our name" (can't remember who's idea that was). I had an idea of renting out the west side of the North Ave billboard by the dorms to put up a picture of Pounce in the Beast Mode pose and a tagline that says "Welcome to the (B)East Side!!!" |
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Post by illwauk on Jan 9, 2012 17:21:52 GMT -6
I just found this through google... apparently this was designed for the Panther Paintball (Club) Team. dribbble.com/shots/359811-PantherNot too shabby if you ask me! A little comic book-ish, but somehow I think that's appropriate for Milwaukee. Most importantly though, it'd be a huge upgrade over the belt-buckle logo. |
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Post by nohopspanther on Jan 9, 2012 19:31:24 GMT -6
Not to sound like a dick, but to believe this you'd have to be completely oblivious to whats been going on for the past 10-15 years in the Third Ward, Bay View, Walker's Point, Riverwest, Brewers Hill, Bronzeville and especially Brady and the East Side. That's not exactly a few isolated neighborhoods either... it's at least half of Milwaukee being composed by A-1 examples of urban renewal. And every last bit of that renewal is far outweighed by the entire city center and Northwest collapsing economically and educationally. Adding 2 points and subtracting 5 does not equal a positive outcome. Having lived on the eastside for 6+ years, the far northwest side for 4 years and the south side for 4 years I've seen it all. |
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Post by illwauk on Jan 10, 2012 13:13:03 GMT -6
And every last bit of that renewal is far outweighed by the entire city center and Northwest collapsing economically and educationally. Adding 2 points and subtracting 5 does not equal a positive outcome. Far outweighed by what... an arbitrary point system? It doesn't change the fact that Milwaukee's history is still "in the making." Having lived on the eastside for 6+ years, the far northwest side for 4 years and the south side for 4 years I've seen it all. I spent my childhood on 55th & Capitol, then 19th & State and went to one of the most effected MPS high schools (Wash-HOUSE!)... not sure what that's supposed to prove other than Milwaukee must not be that terrible if you're grown and have spent almost a decade and a half here. |
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Post by nohopspanther on Jan 10, 2012 18:09:10 GMT -6
I have moved out to New Berlin and will never again live in Milwaukee, but that is completely beside the point. The areas of Milwaukee you listed as undergoing renewal do not outweigh the vast areas that have collapsed. Milwaukee is not building or growing, it is restructuring at best and not for the better economically. You seem to really struggle putting together those ideas.
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Post by ghostpost on Jan 10, 2012 21:49:53 GMT -6
My mom grew up (to 7) on the corner of 56th and Capital. Small world.
I think the entire area around Milwaukee as well as Milwaukee itself is both growing and restructuring. But isn't that a good thing?
I think a city of currently what 660,000 in the city, 1.8 million metro area(+/- ?), like this is poised for some great things in the very near future (Water Technology?, More Fortune 500 corporate headquarters?, Brewers continued success?, Marquette?, MSOE?, UWM? (more college grads period to fill the many 21st century jobs that require them?) the MAM? Summerfest? Even bigger things out of our already Ridic live music scene and undeniably awesome bar scene?
One could go on for hours.. no way is Milwaukee anywhere near having vast areas of collapse. You would think we got hit by a nuclear bomb by the way you describe it. We've got some rough neighborhoods and some unfortunate crime, but what city of 660,000+ doesn't?
Heck, what city of 40,000 doesn't? Brookfield and Fox Point status's as elite 'burbs sure didn't seem to stop some pretty gruesome recent murders from happening.. You can say those are isolated incidents sure, but their is more crime than you'd know that goes on in any city. It's just a problem when someone personally gets robbed, hurt or (God forbid) killed.
You could make the same arguments about post-1960 collapse for Chicago, LA, Philly, Portland, Miami, Nashville, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix- but a lot of people still want to live in all of those places, right? I don't live in Milwaukee currently, but I look forward to watching it's ongoing renaissance unfold. This is a damn good city and only getting better (IMO).
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Post by nohopspanther on Jan 10, 2012 23:22:07 GMT -6
City of Milwaukee population is 595,000 which is a loss of 146,000 since 1960 and the first time under 600,000 since 1940. The metro area population is 1.75 million. Edit to add 1960 MSA 1.15 million so you can see the city loses 20% of its population which is a crushing blow to the tax base while the metro area gains 600,000 of which half that growth is in Waukesha County alone.
LA, Houston and Phoenix have all continued to grow and the metro areas like Chicago have exploded in growth unlike Milwaukee. If you guys are going to argue actual building of cities then for god's sake open your eyes and do some research instead of posting what you feel is true.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Jan 11, 2012 16:40:00 GMT -6
Milwaukee isn't dying or growing; it's stagnant. It's improving at a snail's pace, but it isn't enough. Unfortunately, there are way too many other cities in this country that have MUCH brighter futures than Milwaukee. This rings true for much of the Rust Belt.
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Post by illwauk on Jan 11, 2012 18:36:57 GMT -6
I have moved out to New Berlin and will never again live in Milwaukee, but that is completely beside the point. The areas of Milwaukee you listed as undergoing renewal do not outweigh the vast areas that have collapsed. Milwaukee is not building or growing, it is restructuring at best and not for the better economically. You seem to really struggle putting together those ideas. Ahhh... now we're getting somewhere! New Berlin has a well-deserved reputation as a modern-day sundown town (google it if you don't know what that is). Their own mayor even said it was full of racists a few years back. I wouldn't expect someone who made a conscious decision to move there to understand (let alone be able to acknowledge) all that Milwaukee has going for it today... it makes it kind of hard to keep believing you live in a more desirable place when all you're surrounded by is parking lots, strip malls, McMansions and less culture than a dish of soap. If you want to lead a vapid, Leave It To Beaver lifestyle where you can't even so much as pick up a gallon of milk without getting into your car and allow mass-media images (rather than actual real-time interactions) to shape your world for you, then more power to you. But that lifestyle isn't for everyone and it's a big reason why Milwaukee is still one of the biggest cities in the country, and far-and-away the biggest in Wisconsin. We're not delusional simply because we refuse to adopt a defeatist mentality or lament that we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again. City of Milwaukee population is 595,000 which is a loss of 146,000 since 1960 and the first time under 600,000 since 1940. The metro area population is 1.75 million. Edit to add 1960 MSA 1.15 million so you can see the city loses 20% of its population which is a crushing blow to the tax base while the metro area gains 600,000 of which half that growth is in Waukesha County alone. LA, Houston and Phoenix have all continued to grow and the metro areas like Chicago have exploded in growth unlike Milwaukee. If you guys are going to argue actual building of cities then for god's sake open your eyes and do some research instead of posting what you feel is true. Wrong again. Milwaukee's population in the original 2000 census was 578,000, which was later adjusted to 596,000. Either Milwaukee's population is about as stable as humanly possible for a city its size, or it experienced significant growth in the past decade. The only part of what you said that has even a shred of truth is that that Milwaukee lost 146,000 residents since 1960. That's still only a loss of -18.9% compared to places like Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Detroit and St. Louis which all lost more than -50% of their population during the same time... Cleveland even lost -17% in the past decade alone. It also turns out that Chicago's "explosion in growth" was actually a loss of -6.9% since 2000 and Phoenix only grew by 9% which is the first time in its history that it grew by less than 24% in a decade. Phoenix is also second only to Las Vegas in home foreclosures... something that's hitting sprawling sun belt cities especially hard. Perhaps its you who should "open your eyes and do some research." Milwaukee isn't dying or growing; it's stagnant. It's improving at a snail's pace, but it isn't enough. Unfortunately, there are way too many other cities in this country that have MUCH brighter futures than Milwaukee. This rings true for much of the Rust Belt. I wouldn't be so sure about that. Like I alluded to above, the cities that have seen the most growth since the "Rust Belt" developed are also the ones with the highest foreclosure rates and if the current trends continue, Milwaukee can actually expect to see growth in its population for 2020. For the sake of comparison (and getting this thread somewhat back on topic) I'd liken it to the way Panther hoops developed during the Bruce Pearl era and the Rob Jeter era. While the program doesn't have all the hype and media attention it did during Pearl's reign, I think we can all agree that now it's being developed more thoroughly and sustainably. There's plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the direction of Panther basketball and Milwaukee as a whole. |
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Post by uwmfutbol on Jan 11, 2012 18:41:55 GMT -6
Areas like San Francisco, San Jose, Austin, Dallas, Houston, Charlotte, San Antonio, Nashville, Raleigh and DC (NOTE: all in the South or West) continue to have very healthy housing markets. Obviously places like LA, Vegas, Atlanta, Miami and Phoenix are a different story. All of these cities have problems, yet people flock to them. If you want a true Midwest success story, my vote would be Indy.
What will likely continue to hurt the Midwest region is the overall growth in the South and West. It's not just people going there; it's jobs as well.
Trust me, I'm not digging on Milwaukee at all. I find it very sad that Milwaukee and Wisconsin in general aren't desirable places to live. It's all about perception rather than reality.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Jan 11, 2012 18:46:26 GMT -6
And going back to the original point of this thread: the Milwaukee brand must grow with a new arena. They need something drastic to put a stamp on the Milwaukee Panthers program.
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Post by illwauk on Jan 11, 2012 19:39:47 GMT -6
EDIT: I deleted what I originally wrote for the sake of getting this thread back on track. uwmfutbol, I'm sending what I had to say in a PM if you care to read it. Throughout this thread, my main sticking point for ditching the Panthers identity in favor of some version of the Gulls identity is that the Panthers name has little to no connection to the university or the local area. This makes it hard to for the Panther to be an agent of rallying the university community, which is the entire point of having a mascot in the first place. A few posts ago, I mentioned that UWM is home to the oldest Africology department in the country. It just so happens that the mythology of nearly every African culture holds the panther in high regard (this has everything to do with why the Black Panthers chose to call themselves the Black Panthers). Perhaps the most well-known example of this are the Ancient Egyptians, who worshiped felines of all types. Panthers are prominently featured in Egyptian art and many works even depict them alongside the Pharaohs, including Tutankhamun (King Tut).    By now, you probably see where I'm going with this... the pieces above (and many more, I'm sure) could inspire some awfully cool logos that would not only connect to the university (something UWM should be doing more to drive home since it's a pretty awesome thing to be able to claim to have originated an entire branch of academia), but help us stand out amongst the abundance of other Panther identities in college athletics while giving us one that we can truly call our own. |
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Post by nohopspanther on Jan 12, 2012 0:01:16 GMT -6
I moved to New Berlin because it supports my job along with Brookfield. Something that never occurred in Milwaukee and will never again without a radical upswing in the economy and jobs. As for your dumbass slant of a sundown town, it's truly meaningless when it comes to adding value in jobs and comes with your own ignorance stamped all over your view that it's a town for people who are into strip malls and racism. BTW, Jack Chiovatero is a moron and got the city sued through his own incompetence dealing with the MPLS developer, but hey you don't know the story or details anyways.
Next, Chicago since 1960 has added to its MSA 2.1 million people which is 3.5x the growth in Milwaukee. I now understand your total lack of math skills are why you continue to look past the negative growth in the City of Milwaukee.
And finally Phoenix had a 9% growth which is incredible given how much bigger Phoenix is as the 5th largest MSA in the country, Milwaukee hasn't been in the top 20 since 1980.
The Milwaukee brand needs to be tied into drawing students from the rest of the state because THAT is where the growth will come from. Not people in the sunbelt moving north, it's the reason we chase our tails around in circles with brain drain as students graduate and immediately leave the state for opportunity.
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Post by JG Panthers on Jan 12, 2012 8:17:33 GMT -6
As for your dumbass slant of a sundown town, it's truly meaningless when it comes to adding value in jobs and comes with your own ignorance stamped all over your view that it's a town for people who are into strip malls and racism. BTW, Jack Chiovatero is a moron and got the city sued through his own incompetence dealing with the MPLS developer, but hey you don't know the story or details anyways. Wow. Just....wow |
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Post by PantherU on Jan 12, 2012 13:53:43 GMT -6
ANYWAYS...
I don't understand how anyone on here can think we don't have a major brand identity problem. Let's stick discussion to that.
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