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Post by uwmfutbol on Jan 7, 2012 21:57:32 GMT -6
On an unrelated note, I just thought I'd share something.
I was watching the men's soccer NCAA championship between UNC and Charlotte a few weeks ago. I had completely forgotten that Charlotte was actually UNC-Charlotte until I was reading about it after the game. Never once was it even remotely said during the game on ESPN2. No North Carolina-Charlotte, no UNCC, no NC-Charlotte, etc. Just Charlotte. In fact, it was only mentioned once that these schools even belonged to the same system, and it was quickly glossed over. There was respect towards Charlotte.
Must be nice. What's Milwaukee's excuse? Charlotte's a mid-major just like Milwaukee, and yet they have successfully branded themselves to distance themselves from their respective flagship school.
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Post by parkerj on Jan 7, 2012 22:17:43 GMT -6
while some of the blame surely lies with the AD (see: the website), a lot of it has to do with the Journal Sentinel being douchey...most other athletic departments call them Milwaukee, most other sports media outlets call them Milwaukee...but not the hometown paper...i was listening to the badger pre-game before the game this year, and everyone said "Milwaukee" until Potrykus showed up
also...back to that first point...i was flipping channels today and saw the score of the Women's game on BTN:
Green Bay: 88
Wisconsin-Milwaukee: 53
*sigh*
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Post by PantherU on Jan 8, 2012 0:07:24 GMT -6
It has nothing to do with the JS being douchey. It has everything to do with our athletic department's complete failure to correctly brand itself.
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Post by parkerj on Jan 8, 2012 0:57:09 GMT -6
don't buy it...nobody else had a problem changing how they referenced us, but the local paper pulls the "university name on first reference" bullsh*t?
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Post by PantherU on Jan 8, 2012 9:16:28 GMT -6
Read Kevin O'Connor's press releases and tell me it's the Journal.
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Post by jhart05 on Jan 8, 2012 9:30:40 GMT -6
"Kaylon Williams hit a three-pointer from the left wing as time expired to send the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee to a thrilling 64-63 win over Green Bay Saturday night at the U.S. Cellular Arena."
Is that what you're talking about Jimmy?
If you're going to use that form then at least use it for both. It's either "Milwaukee" and "Green Bay" or the full "University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee" and "University of Wisconsin-Green Bay".
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Post by uwmfutbol on Jan 8, 2012 9:41:53 GMT -6
Conspiracy! In all seriousness, I can't stand the JS.
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Post by illwauk on Jan 8, 2012 14:08:55 GMT -6
First off- the book is called, "The Making of Milwaukee". Not, "Milwaukee Since 1960". That's why the bulk of the book is about the Germans, and Irish, and Poles, and Italians, etc. who settled this great city. That’s just it though… I was born in 1981 and even I’m a few years older than the kids who are in college now. For us, that post-60s period was the making of the Milwaukee we know today. What historical inaccuracies are you talking about? I have a great respect for all cultures and for the even more diverse melting pot Milwaukee has become since the 1950s. I also have many "brown" friends as you refer to them by. I'm not challenging you or saying you are wrong. I really want to know- what inaccuracies are you referring to? I have read the book, watched the DVD, and though I recall little attention paid to Milwaukee post 1960.. I don't recall anything controversial or blatantly inaccurate. Thanks in advance. I just like to know the truth about things. PS: I am under 30 years old and I too lived in Riverwest, for 2 years. I am hardly the type who would think "Brown people destroyed the city!!". I think your sh*tting on a great book (I guess it started as a series of articles in the Milwaukee Journal) for no good reason other than the fact that I used it as a basis to dismiss the fascination with Cream uniform colors you have. But please, do tell about the false statements Gurda made. I don't liked to be lied to any more than the next guy. Too many to name here, but the most egregious would have to be Gurda’s claim of a black school in Milwaukee that educated Redd Foxx and Harold Washington (Chicago’s first black mayor). Both of those men attended a school in Chicago called La Salle and while Milwaukee had a school by that name as well, it was not the one Foxx and Washington went to. Another would have to be his implication that Milwaukee residents, by-and-large, were happy with the way Harold Brier (MPD Chief at the time) handled the 1968 riots. Harold Brier wasn’t known as the Bull Connor of the North for nothing… his prejudicial attitudes and his penchant for sending hired thugs (usually low-ranking officers) to rough up black men, protestors, reporters or pretty much anyone he felt was causing him problems was a huge part of his reputation. Yet none of this is mentioned and, if memory serves me correctly, Brier’s name is entirely absent from the documentary (not sure about the book though). One more very important omission that deserves to be mentioned here given the nature of this board… during the 1967-68 school year, a series of sit-ins at the UWM campus by various organizations (including the local Black Panthers chapter) caused the creation of the very first Africology department in the country. Granted, the fact that the university itself doesn’t do more to make this known ranks right up there with the Panther branding problems on my list of personal annoyances with the schools’ administration, but isn’t Gurda himself a UWM grad? You’d hope that alone would make him want to include this... or anything related to UWM for that matter. Lastly, I’m not in any way trying to suggest that you, personally, have the attitudes I've been speaking on. I was speaking in general on something that’s (unfortunately) been an overwhelming experience of mine when dealing with folks from older generations. I couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve been outstate and mentioned where I was from to someone of that generation who thought nothing of going on about how “their” Milwaukee doesn’t exist anymore and how insane they think I am for living here (usually with a few snarky “been shot lately? Har har har!” comments thrown in for good measure). According to his own bio, Gurda’s family moved to Hales Corners when he was 5-years old. Given his age and personal history, he’s part of a rare, rare breed if he doesn’t have share those attitudes, but the content of his book would suggest otherwise. I’ll be the first to admit that The Making of Milwaukee is a good resource for a lot of things. My problem is that Gurda knew who his target audience was and framed the city’s history in a way that was palatable to them at the expense of actually being the all-encompassing and definitive text on Milwaukee's history that it’s so often made out to be. Cream is awesome and people will love it? We all have opinions. I think the current uniforms (still learning to like the grays) are pretty damn nice. If the Bookstore, the AD and the Uni could all push the same brand and same color palettes and same logos, this thread would not exist. The current brand environment is a clusterf***. And it has nothing to do with us having Gold instead of Cream. No arguments here. I wouldn’t even go as far as to say that adding cream or changing our mascot are absolutely necessary, I just feel that these things would make the brand more effective in the long run and this thread is just the place for me to express those opinions. |
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Post by illwauk on Jan 8, 2012 14:20:35 GMT -6
"Kaylon Williams hit a three-pointer from the left wing as time expired to send the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee to a thrilling 64-63 win over Green Bay Saturday night at the U.S. Cellular Arena." Is that what you're talking about Jimmy? If you're going to use that form then at least use it for both. It's either "Milwaukee" and "Green Bay" or the full "University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee" and "University of Wisconsin-Green Bay" Looks like they retroactively added "UW-" in front of all the mentions of Green Bay in the article... how much more obvious could they make it that they just plain do not get it? I once had a professor tell me that the J-S is written at the eighth-grade level... something I find myself agreeing with more and more as I get older. |
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Post by nohopspanther on Jan 8, 2012 15:16:01 GMT -6
First off- the book is called, "The Making of Milwaukee". Not, "Milwaukee Since 1960". That's why the bulk of the book is about the Germans, and Irish, and Poles, and Italians, etc. who settled this great city. That’s just it though… I was born in 1981 and even I’m a few years older than the kids who are in college now. For us, that post-60s period was the making of the Milwaukee we know today. Milwaukee WAS made in the time frame that Gurda covered from the 1870's through the 1960's. It has been in full reverse mode since then in population and productivity. The income and education levels have done nothing but fall since the early 70's in Milwaukee. |
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Post by nohopspanther on Jan 8, 2012 15:18:29 GMT -6
"Kaylon Williams hit a three-pointer from the left wing as time expired to send the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee to a thrilling 64-63 win over Green Bay Saturday night at the U.S. Cellular Arena." Is that what you're talking about Jimmy? If you're going to use that form then at least use it for both. It's either "Milwaukee" and "Green Bay" or the full "University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee" and "University of Wisconsin-Green Bay" Looks like they retroactively added "UW-" in front of all the mentions of Green Bay in the article... how much more obvious could they make it that they just plain do not get it? I once had a professor tell me that the J-S is written at the eighth-grade level... something I find myself agreeing with more and more as I get older. The Wall Street Journal is ALSO written at an 8th grade level and is purposely done to include as many readers and be as clear and concise as possible. |
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Post by ghostpost on Jan 8, 2012 16:51:03 GMT -6
First off- the book is called, "The Making of Milwaukee". Not, "Milwaukee Since 1960". That's why the bulk of the book is about the Germans, and Irish, and Poles, and Italians, etc. who settled this great city. That’s just it though… I was born in 1981 and even I’m a few years older than the kids who are in college now. For us, that post-60s period was the making of the Milwaukee we know today. Too many to name here, but the most egregious would have to be Gurda’s claim of a black school in Milwaukee that educated Redd Foxx and Harold Washington (Chicago’s first black mayor). Both of those men attended a school in Chicago called La Salle and while Milwaukee had a school by that name as well, it was not the one Foxx and Washington went to. Another would have to be his implication that Milwaukee residents, by-and-large, were happy with the way Harold Brier (MPD Chief at the time) handled the 1968 riots. Harold Brier wasn’t known as the Bull Connor of the North for nothing… his prejudicial attitudes and his penchant for sending hired thugs (usually low-ranking officers) to rough up black men, protestors, reporters or pretty much anyone he felt was causing him problems was a huge part of his reputation. Yet none of this is mentioned and, if memory serves me correctly, Brier’s name is entirely absent from the documentary (not sure about the book though). One more very important omission that deserves to be mentioned here given the nature of this board… during the 1967-68 school year, a series of sit-ins at the UWM campus by various organizations (including the local Black Panthers chapter) caused the creation of the very first Africology department in the country. Granted, the fact that the university itself doesn’t do more to make this known ranks right up there with the Panther branding problems on my list of personal annoyances with the schools’ administration, but isn’t Gurda himself a UWM grad? You’d hope that alone would make him want to include this... or anything related to UWM for that matter. Lastly, I’m not in any way trying to suggest that you, personally, have the attitudes I've been speaking on. I was speaking in general on something that’s (unfortunately) been an overwhelming experience of mine when dealing with folks from older generations. I couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve been outstate and mentioned where I was from to someone of that generation who thought nothing of going on about how “their” Milwaukee doesn’t exist anymore and how insane they think I am for living here (usually with a few snarky “been shot lately? Har har har!” comments thrown in for good measure). According to his own bio, Gurda’s family moved to Hales Corners when he was 5-years old. Given his age and personal history, he’s part of a rare, rare breed if he doesn’t have share those attitudes, but the content of his book would suggest otherwise. I’ll be the first to admit that The Making of Milwaukee is a good resource for a lot of things. My problem is that Gurda knew who his target audience was and framed the city’s history in a way that was palatable to them at the expense of actually being the all-encompassing and definitive text on Milwaukee's history that it’s so often made out to be. Cream is awesome and people will love it? We all have opinions. I think the current uniforms (still learning to like the grays) are pretty damn nice. If the Bookstore, the AD and the Uni could all push the same brand and same color palettes and same logos, this thread would not exist. The current brand environment is a clusterf***. And it has nothing to do with us having Gold instead of Cream. No arguments here. I wouldn’t even go as far as to say that adding cream or changing our mascot are absolutely necessary, I just feel that these things would make the brand more effective in the long run and this thread is just the place for me to express those opinions. Awesome (& comprehensive) response. Thank you. No ill(waukee) will.  GO PANTHERS. |
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Post by jhart05 on Jan 8, 2012 20:23:38 GMT -6
"Kaylon Williams hit a three-pointer from the left wing as time expired to send the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee to a thrilling 64-63 win over Green Bay Saturday night at the U.S. Cellular Arena." Is that what you're talking about Jimmy? If you're going to use that form then at least use it for both. It's either "Milwaukee" and "Green Bay" or the full "University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee" and "University of Wisconsin-Green Bay". My quote here was actually from our very own athletics website. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 8, 2012 22:34:54 GMT -6
The Milwaukee Panthers.
Milwaukee's College Team.
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Post by illwauk on Jan 9, 2012 16:01:03 GMT -6
That’s just it though… I was born in 1981 and even I’m a few years older than the kids who are in college now. For us, that post-60s period was the making of the Milwaukee we know today. Milwaukee WAS made in the time frame that Gurda covered from the 1870's through the 1960's. It has been in full reverse mode since then in population and productivity. The income and education levels have done nothing but fall since the early 70's in Milwaukee. Not to sound like a dick, but to believe this you'd have to be completely oblivious to whats been going on for the past 10-15 years in the Third Ward, Bay View, Walker's Point, Riverwest, Brewers Hill, Bronzeville and especially Brady and the East Side. That's not exactly a few isolated neighborhoods either... it's at least half of Milwaukee being composed by A-1 examples of urban renewal. No one is pretending Milwaukee doesn't have its share of problems, but to act like nothing positive or significant has happened in the city since the "white flight" era is egregiously wrong, if not flat-out insulting. You'd hope that on this board of all places, you'd find people who at least see UWM's growth (nearly all of which happened after the 1960s) as a significant development in Milwaukee history. Awesome (& comprehensive) response. Thank you. No ill(waukee) will. GO PANTHERS. Well thank you for listening to what I had to say with an open mind... such a rare thing on an online forum. |
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GO PANTHERS.