A couple schedule notes

[ArtVandelay]

crazyfred said:

bbfran said:

The truth is, Marquette needs these games as much as UWM does now.

Negotiate accordingly.

Perhaps the funniest and most delusional line I have ever read. We haven't played you in what...7 or 8 years. And this has cost us what exactly? Our Final Four trip? Our entry into the Big East? Our preseason top 4 conference pick this year?

Hopefully for you lightning doesn't strike twice. I negotiate deals all of the time with the leagues, stadiums, teams, etc...I would absolutely walk out of the room if you pitched that crap.

I'm a fair negotiator and what you are pushing is not in the realm of what the market drives. If we NEEDED this game we would negotiate accordingly. You have obviously overvalued the need for one side tremendously. This isn't some personal injury claim Fran where you throw out some absurd figure hoping the otherside's counsel just pays you off to go away. Doesn't work that way.

Crean and MU will not buckle on this. If they do, they are fools.

4 for 1...take it or whine about it.

Funniest and most delusional line you have ever read???

I'm guessing you are misinterpreting what Fran is saying...

Back when UWM first made all the fuss over playing Marquette we hadn't accomplished anything. We needed to play your team to gain exposure in the city, and had no better options to put on our schedule to gain that type of press. Marquette could have frankly cared less about playing UWM since beating them meant nothing and losing to us would be somewhat embarrassing...

Let's keep track:
UWM - needs Marquette
Marquette - doesn't need UWM

Now after 4 consecutive post season births and multiple NCAA Tournament wins we have gained the ability to schedule bigger named opponents both at home and on the road. UWM now doesn't need to play Marquette to gain exposure anymore, and Marquette still could care less about playing UWM.

Still keeping track:
UWM- doesn't need Marquette
Marquette- doesn't need UWM
YAH!!!!

Hence, "Marquette needs these games as much as UWM does now."

If for some reason Rob doesn't like the deal then has the complete ability to counter offer, since we have no need for this game.

Coach Jeter, admittedly a nice guy and someone you respect, shouldn't be forced to sign into a contract that he doesn't view as in UWM's best interests. I just find this whole situation funny because when Pearl, who I fully admit was far from a saint, used these tactics it was despicable and classless. Now Coach Crean, who I still view as a fairly classy individual (in all seriousness), has now lowered himself to Pearl's level. I think hell might have frozen over.

Just for your information CrazyFred/StripedTomato I see nothing wrong with a 1 for 1 series with 3 buy games. It’s a good payday and it should satisfy both parties. I wonder if Crean would be open to the idea of holding the series off until DJ graduates

[teddyp00]

If MU finishes top 3 in the Big East and they make any noise in the tourny I would not be surprised if DJ declares for the draft.

[SRT4driver]

brewtownbrian said:

You really enjoy being right, don't you? What a nerd!

And the funniest part is, he's not even right. He says that "we had an offer on the table the last 4 years", but Tom Crean disagrees with him...

[glow=red,2,300]"We just choose not to," he said when asked why MU won't play UWM. - Tom Crean, 3/22/04[/glow]


Maybe "those in the know", like Chicos here, offered their own 18-for-1 to Pearl themselves, unbeknownst to Crean?

[crazyfred]

brewtownbrian said:

You really enjoy being right, don't you? What a nerd!

I enjoy it when people here say they have sources and say they know what's going on and I try to warn them they aren't right....and then when the proof comes out....enlightening them again.

Yes, I do rather enjoy that.

;D

[crazyfred]

nohopspanther said:

Chicos, the dollars do not amount to a buy game and there is approximately no way the deal would be signed without those numbers moving upward. Why isn't there a story about a fax to UWGB offering the same deal? Because you know just like we do that it's all bullsh*t on Tan Tom's part.

Sigh...and what do you believe those numbers are right now....I'll tell you if you are in the ballpark or not.

But since apparently you know what the numbers are....please share. Looking forward to it.

[crazyfred]

Art...Bruce Pearl, Bo Ryan and Bud have been pushing the return of this series ever since Bo was hired...please do not make it sound like it's the last 3 or 4 years.

I was there for some of it...After Crean's first year they came on strong to put the game back on and we said no at first.

Then 2 years later we made an offer and there has been an offer for the last few years.

Regardless, you're a mid major and apparently you want us to treat you like you're not. Sorry, that's not how it works.

You wanted the game...we're giving you FIVE GAMES. Do you want them or not. If you want them, you will play them.

I remember Bruce Pearl saying "anywhere, anytime"....hmmm.

[crazyfred]

srt4driver said:

brewtownbrian said:

You really enjoy being right, don't you? What a nerd!

And the funniest part is, he's not even right. He says that "we had an offer on the table the last 4 years", but Tom Crean disagrees with him...

[glow=red,2,300]"We just choose not to," he said when asked why MU won't play UWM. - Tom Crean, 3/22/04[/glow]


Maybe "those in the know", like Chicos here, offered their own 18-for-1 to Pearl themselves, unbeknownst to Crean?

I can guarantee you we had an offer on the table....one that you guys certainly didn't like, but an offer nonetheless. Crean does not say (smartly) that we didn't have an offer on the table in the past. He correctly stated we chose not to play you and that was based on your reciprocal offer....you know, back in the days when you guys negotiated in the media consistently and we played it by the book.

Now, turnabout is fair play...you have an offer, it's public and you get to decide what to do. Guess what genius, if you guys say NO then it's because YOU CHOSE not to play...but it doesn't mean an offer wasn't presented now does it? Nor does it mean that you didn't try to present a counter offer now does it? Get the drift there genius? Not everything is in the paper and not everything is reported. One can go back to the crooked Steve Antrim days and I can pass on loads of stories that never made the papers...so please. Reporters report what they want (and what their editors want)...and coaches / athletic departments give reporters only what they want. Offers have been on the table for years and even one of your current assistant coaches can verify that.

Now maybe Bud can go bone up on his rules next time and not try to kick Tom Crean out of the Klotsche Center when he was there to scout a game...something Crean was able to do within the rules. Oh would I have loved to be in the stands to watch good old Bud look like a complete idiot when the rule was shown to him...especially after he called security over to have his escorted from the Klotsche Center.

I believe the term is...PRICELESS.


Now, you gonna play us or duck us?

[Pantherholic]

crazyfred said:

I remember Bruce Pearl saying "anywhere, anytime"....hmmm.

and he's no longer here, neither is Bo, hmmmm. but clearly that means nothing

[crazyfred]

pantherholic said:

crazyfred said:

I remember Bruce Pearl saying "anywhere, anytime"....hmmm.

and he's no longer here, neither is Bo, hmmmm. but clearly that means nothing

That's right...but people have long memories Panther...very long memories.

You don't do what Bruce and Bo did and just let it slide.

By the way, Bud is still there.

People have long memories. Shame, but that's the way it is.

Now, we've given you not 2 games (a 1 for 1) but a generous 5 games to knock us off. 5 games. 5 games and LOTS of money. What's the hold up...what could POSSIBLY be holding this up?

P.S. I really do like Rob a lot. Worked with him for one year. Tremendous individual. I don't like that he's caught up in this and I wouldn't be surprised if he turns the offer down...unfortunately he had to follow two complete a-holes prior to him which is a shame because Rob isn't of that quality.

[Pantherholic]

i'm not saying MU fans have to like Bo or Bruce by any means. but to condone your coach now punishing a guy who had nothing to do w/ the matter is crap. if you want to stick it to Bud somehow, i could understand that but Jeter doesn't have to be your sacrificial lamb. Crean having an offer on the table while publicly stating he doesn't want to play us makes no sense either. if he didn't want to play us, why the hell does he keep that offer out and not shred it into a million pieces? Crean isn't stupid enough to "accidentally forget" he had an offer on the table despite mounting pressure from the local media.

[SRT4driver]

Sorry "Genius" but if Head Coach Tom Crean says this in the Journal-Sentinel...

Throughout it, Marquette coach Tom Crean kept his thoughts to himself. But on Monday in his office, Crean broke his public silence on what has become a somewhat contentious issue within the community.

"I'm disappointed that so much is being made about a hypothetical that's not happening and won't happen for a long, long time," Crean said.

"We just choose not to," he said when asked why MU won't play UWM. "We have one major rival in the state, and that's the University of Wisconsin. That's all it has ever been and that's all it will ever be."....
www.jsonline.com/story/?id=216579


Then I'm gonna have to believe him (and that says A LOT!) over your theories that have no evidence backing them up.

Continue having fun acting like you know it all!

[milwsport]

It isn't about Crean sticking it to anyone. He offered the same deal to UWGB. Is he sticking it to his former Assistant Coach too? That's laughable.

All he's doing here is publicly offering something that he knows probably won't be accepted so he can get the "You won't play UWM" off his back.

[muwarrior2007]

You guys are missing Chico's point, what he's saying is that there WAS an offer on the table, UWM probably counter-offered some obscene thing like a 2-1 or 1-1 and Crean CHOSE not to accept that offer. So therefore, MU chooses not to play UWM, but still offered them a deal. Crean is probably just too classy to reveal that to the press (unlike BP or BR). Do they teach logic or any class pertaining to argumentation at UW-Shorewood State-Wisconsin State?

[happynelson]

muwarrior2007 said:

You guys are missing Chico's point, what he's saying is that there WAS an offer on the table, UWM probably counter-offered some obscene thing like a 2-1 or 1-1 and Crean CHOSE not to accept that offer. So therefore, MU chooses not to play UWM, but still offered them a deal. Crean is probably just too classy to reveal that to the press (unlike BP or BR). Do they teach logic or any class pertaining to argumentation at UW-Shorewood State-Wisconsin State?

Crean playing this out in the papers using Rosiak as a tool drips "classy". The only one looking classy is Jeter.

Wondering when Crean tells Rosiak to write a story about this does he allow Rosiak to ask questions? Maybe a journalist would be interested in the details of this latest "offer". What is Crean's idea of a fair amount for buy games? Never mind that was not Rosiak's purpose here to get the entire story. Only what Crean wanted him to know.

[truwarier]

muwarrior2007 said:

Do they teach logic or any class pertaining to argumentation at UW-Shorewood State-Wisconsin State?

Are you stupid? Seriously. Don't hate on UWM because our campus is aesthetically pleasing. It's unfortunate that out your back door on N. 16th street there is gang rapes and shootings, that's not our problem.