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Post by milwsport on Sept 13, 2006 12:37:36 GMT -6
Even at 3 for 1 there should be at least one buy game in there.
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Post by teddyp00 on Sept 13, 2006 12:53:42 GMT -6
I have no clue what the pay out to us would be but if they want to have a 4 for 1 contract with 3 games being buy games at the same price Madison is paying us (assuming our AD is happy with the price currently received from Madison) and the rest being a 1 for 1 I say lets do it. Lots of people want to see this game and it would add another quality game to the schedule. Plus it would be a lock for a sell out when we host the game.
I do have a problem still with Crean playing this through the papers and MU people being ok with it after throwing it in our face when Pearl did this same B.S. posturing through the media.
My .02
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Post by JimmyLemke on Sept 13, 2006 13:23:08 GMT -6
huh? what are you talking about.. aren't you the same UWM that is going through re-building? I think those are games that definitely would help you guys, and the conference SOS out! So what the hell happened anyways?? You are both in the same city - I'm sue if you play at Marquette, you could get a good number of your fans in the building, and a big payout, so why not play the games? I think alot of you who are going to come back down to earth, like some of us at Butler did a couple of years ago, after we lost all of our key players. The nice thing is that we are back on track now, and should be for several years with the recruits we've got comming in. The true question is whether UWM can bounce back, or will you just have to hold on to that short period of success? In the past I think the reason these two teams didn't play was, for Marquette they had everything to loose and nothing to gain from playing Milwaukee. Everybody's favorite second baseman is right here. Marquette looks down on us, of course, but they also stand to lose a LOT of ground if they lose to us. |
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Post by teddyp00 on Sept 13, 2006 14:18:41 GMT -6
What is really going to change if we beat MU? Is the Big East going to drop them from the conference? Are their fans suddenly going to ditch the blue for black? Are national recruits going to suddenly shun them in favor of us and fellow mid-majors? Maybe the BC will kick them out and they will have to play somewhere else against bucks and admiral games like we do.
Oh, wait none of those things are going to happen. Casual fans may take notice and Milwaukee alumi may start to follow more closely but nothing major will change just by us beating MU a few times.
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Post by BBFran on Sept 13, 2006 14:22:42 GMT -6
A 4-1 deal is better than any other school would or could get today to play UWM. You don't just willy-nilly get 4-1 deals in your favor from schools that have been in the tournament 3 of the last 4 years. (Especially when you have not been, but that's really beside the point.) Everyone else in college basketball understands that. So why should MU get such a deal -- at least without having to pay a significant premium for it?
I think the folks over there were riveted in their own pique for too long. The world has moved on. Milwaukee is in an immensely stronger position than when Marquette thumbed its nose and claimed not to care. Now that it does care, under continuing pressure from area fans, the media and so many of its own season ticket holders, who are fed up with non-conference games that are barely scrimmages, it has come back to the table as though nothing else has changed.
The truth is, Marquette needs these games as much as UWM does now.
Negotiate accordingly.
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Post by teddyp00 on Sept 13, 2006 14:41:52 GMT -6
I agree that MU should pay up for a deal like this I'm not saying we should be giving anything away or selling it cheap for that matter, but I think lots of people here are overvaluing our program a bit at this point. We have had a few nice year, but lets be serious here, we draw less than an average of 7,000 a game, we have no idea what kind of product we can put on the court the next few years and we currently have a fast rising star of a coach in Jeter that is going to cost money to keep if he keeps winning. This program needs cash to keep growing and taking some from the deep pocketed folks from across the highway is not a bad way of doing that.
It takes years of sustained success to get a power conference team to play you on your court or even on a neutral one for that matter (just ask the 'zags) without some form of a 2 for, 3 for or 4 for deal in place.
I agree negotiate accordingly 100%
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Post by dylanrocks on Sept 13, 2006 15:13:10 GMT -6
It's going to take a boatload of money for some BCS school to lure away this fast-rising star of a basketball coach, as the cost of hiring him would currently stand in the neighborhood of $5 million or so. After all, the adjusted buyout (or liquidated damages) clause in his contract has Milwaukee receiving $1.5 million. It would cost a suitor that plus his salary over, say, four years in order to steal him away. In short, I think Rob likes it here, has ties here and is to some degree tied to the school.
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Post by BBFran on Sept 13, 2006 15:42:50 GMT -6
I would never assume a BCS school couldn't get the money together if it really wanted him, but I'm not going to worry about it, either. If Rob is attractive to higher profile programs next year or the year after or the year after, that can only mean good things are happening in Milwaukee.
Enjoy the ride.
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Post by crazyfred on Sept 13, 2006 20:18:24 GMT -6
Actually it would be this year's Lewis. My guess is that we had to schedule Hillsdale since UWM ducked our offer. "Ducked" is not the right word. UWGB's poor man's coach K was an assistant under Crean. Yet the GB staff isn't even on speaking terms with the MU staff right now because of Crean's stunt. That being the case, how much angrier do you think the UWM staff is. After all we've been the Big Dance two of the last three years and during that time period won three more NCAA games then MU did. Hmmm...that's interesting. I know the UWGB AD fairly well from my days at MU and our association with SLU at the time....he was the former SLU Associate AD. I have not heard that at all about them not being on speaking terms. Methinks I will make a call tomorrow and find out if you are full of crap.  I haven't spoken to Ken in about a year so it's time to catch up with him anyway. His son is a solid baseball player that was playing for my Kansas Jayhawks for awhile. |
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Post by crazyfred on Sept 13, 2006 20:21:51 GMT -6
The big payout that MU is unwilling to give, they aren't offering buy games Atherton. They just want 4 for 1 home games. Home team keeps all the proceeds and for the record, no we don't need them. Not to mention exactly what the hell are you guys on track to do this year after losing 3 good players including the POY and no super recruits?! Now that's strange...today's Journal Sentinel article (oh, and my postings here over 2 months ago) said that in fact THREE of the games were buy games. Strange that you would say NONE are buy games and someone fairly close to the program...months ago...said they would be and the Journal Sentinel says the same thing again today. Strange. ;D Maybe you are just wrong or perhaps not well connected like Fran.  Here is the important paragraph from today's article "The first three would be guarantee games and the fourth the conclusion of a 1-for-1 deal. The Panthers' lone home game in the proposal would open the 1-for-1, and be played in 2010 at the U.S. Cellular Arena."Here is the link for you to read the entire thing. www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=496335Happy to assist. Take care |
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Post by crazyfred on Sept 13, 2006 20:24:02 GMT -6
Even at 3 for 1 there should be at least one buy game in there. You're right...in fact there are THREE buy games in there. Sigh. Those are called guarantee games. Please, try to keep up. 4 for 1.....three of them GUARANTEE GAMES (aka BUY GAMES) and a 1 for 1 to finish off the 4 for 1. I believe all of this was talked about on the MU boards and here ... oh...2 months ago or. Maybe fran remembers, he's well connected and loved universally.  |
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Post by crazyfred on Sept 13, 2006 20:26:04 GMT -6
I do have a problem still with Crean playing this through the papers and MU people being ok with it after throwing it in our face when Pearl did this same B.S. posturing through the media. My .02 Teddy....you reap what you sow. Bruce Pearl and Bo Ryan and Bud Haidet used the radio, the newspapers, speeches, etc to bash MU for not playing them every chance they had. Even though we had an offer on the table the last 4 years...also as many of us in the know have stated. MU stayed quiet and absorbed the shots. Well turnabout is fair play. We have gone to the media now and you guys don't like it? Wow. Wow. That's all I can say. You reap what you sow. |
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Post by crazyfred on Sept 13, 2006 20:30:09 GMT -6
The truth is, Marquette needs these games as much as UWM does now. Negotiate accordingly. Perhaps the funniest and most delusional line I have ever read. We haven't played you in what...7 or 8 years. And this has cost us what exactly? Our Final Four trip? Our entry into the Big East? Our preseason top 4 conference pick this year? Hopefully for you lightning doesn't strike twice. I negotiate deals all of the time with the leagues, stadiums, teams, etc...I would absolutely walk out of the room if you pitched that crap. I'm a fair negotiator and what you are pushing is not in the realm of what the market drives. If we NEEDED this game we would negotiate accordingly. You have obviously overvalued the need for one side tremendously. This isn't some personal injury claim Fran where you throw out some absurd figure hoping the otherside's counsel just pays you off to go away. Doesn't work that way. Crean and MU will not buckle on this. If they do, they are fools. 4 for 1...take it or whine about it.  |
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Post by brewtownbrian on Sept 13, 2006 21:19:09 GMT -6
You really enjoy being right, don't you? What a nerd!
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Post by nohopspanther on Sept 13, 2006 21:21:43 GMT -6
Chicos, the dollars do not amount to a buy game and there is approximately no way the deal would be signed without those numbers moving upward. Why isn't there a story about a fax to UWGB offering the same deal? Because you know just like we do that it's all bullsh*t on Tan Tom's part.
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