Predict our seed

[TBone]

I voted for a 12 seed, but these upsets could bump us down to a 13. They never put major conference teams (Syracuse) as anything less than an 11. Who knows who will get the A-10 now.

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[Hack]

Major conference teams have been placed at 12 or 13 before. Oklahoma was a 13 when it beat No. 4 Arizona in 1999 at the Bradley Center.

[Hack]

tbone said:

Who knows who will get the A-10 now.

Whoever does will likely be a 12 or 13.

[jhart05]

Latest Bracktology still has Milwaukee as a 13 but now playing Boston College.

St. Joe's, Missouri St, Texas A&M, and Michigan are 12's. But I don't think Michigan is making the tournament.

He gave Syracuse a 9. Bucknell is an 11.

We will end up with a 12.

[uwmfan04]

jhart05 said:

Latest Bracktology still has Milwaukee as a 13 but now playing Boston College.

From NCAAsports.com:

Additional Considerations

1. A team moved out of its natural area will be placed in the next closest region when possible.

2. If possible, rematches of regular-season games should be avoided in the first and second rounds.

3. If possible, rematches of previous years' tournament games should be avoided in the first and second rounds.

4. The committee will examine the previous five tournament brackets to determine the number of times a particular team or conference has been moved out of its natural region. The committee shall attempt to avoid moving a team or conference out of its natural region or geographic area an inordinate number of times.

[brewtownbrian]

The last I checked was cnnsi.com and it had UWM as a 13 seed along with; South Alabama, Iona and Xavier.

And the 4 seeds were; Iowa, Tennessee, BC and Washington.

The teams that they had as 12 seeds were; Missouri St., Seton Hall, George Mason and Kent St.

I personally don't know much about George Mason or Kent St., but Missouri St. beat us and played in a tougher conference and Seton Hall is a Big East team(some are calling that the best/toughest conference in America). So those 2 are valid IMO.

I think last season UWM was fortunate to get a 12 seed and the fact that they won on the road against solid teams(Purdue, Hawaii, St. Louis) from solid conferences was the difference-maker.

This season UWM doesn't have that to hang their hat on. In addition to not as many road wins and like someone else mentioned...they lost at home to Missouri St. and UIC.

I wouldn't mind if UWM matche dup with Iowa or Washington.

[gbbunk]

Cbssportsline has updated their predictions today with UWM as a 12 seed. With Temple, who beat GW, as a 13 seed. In certain cases upsets will help UWM get that 12 seed.
On a side note, they have UW as a 9 seed and MU as an 8 seed. When all is said and done, UWM will be a 12 seed!

[uwmfan04]

brewtownbrian said:

I think last season UWM was fortunate to get a 12 seed and the fact that they won on the road against solid teams(Purdue, Hawaii, St. Louis) from solid conferences was the difference-maker.

This season UWM doesn't have that to hang their hat on. In addition to not as many road wins and like someone else mentioned...they lost at home to Missouri St. and UIC.

I don't think we were fortunate to get a 12 seed last year, I think we were well deserving. We were among the nation's leaders in road wins and we finished strong. However, I don't think our wins at St. Louis or Purdue helped us much as far as seeding. Hawaii was a very good win though.

St. Louis finished last year with an RPI of 209 and a 9-21 record while Purdue finsihed with an RPI of 221 and a 7-21 record. Green Bay, UIC, Wright State, and Detroit all had better RPIs and records.

Our two major road wins this year were better than those two. We beat Wyoming (RPI of 192) and
Montana (RPI of 71) which was a good win inside RPI Top 100, especially since it was on the road. The Tennessee Tech loss is somewhat similar to the Valpo loss of last year, expect Valpo's RPI was about 70 points worse than Tennessee Tech's. I think we are in a very similar position as last year and should receive a 12 seed.

[PantherLou]

brewtownbrian said:

I think last season UWM was fortunate to get a 12 seed and the fact that they won on the road against solid teams(Purdue, Hawaii, St. Louis) from solid conferences was the difference-maker.

This season UWM doesn't have that to hang their hat on. In addition to not as many road wins and like someone else mentioned...they lost at home to Missouri St. and UIC.

Sorry, but I have to disagree here. Your point seems to be a commonly held misconception, so please don't think I am singling you out here. We actually have as strong a resume from last year. Here are some comparisons:

2004-05:

Overall record: 22-5
RPI: 59
Record vs. teams in top 100: 0-2

Best Home Win: vs Air Force (RPI 115)
Best Road Win: At Hawaii (RPI 131)
Worst Home Loss: Detroit (RPI 176)
Worst Road Loss: At Valpo (RPI 189)

Other solid wins (better than 100RPI): None
Other harmful losses (sub 150 RPI): None


2005-06

Overall record: 20-8
RPI: 52
Record vs. teams in top 100: 3-4

Best Home Win: vs Butler (RPI 83)
Best Road Win: At Montana (RPI 60)
Worst Home Loss: UIC (RPI 134)
Worst Road Loss: At UWGB. (RPI 187)

Other solid wins (better than 100RPI): vs. Hawaii (99), vs. Butler (83)
Other harmful losses (sub 150 RPI): At Wright St. (180)



Then, you factor that the committee will consider these items into our favor:
1. Tigert was hurt for 2 of our losses
2. We DOMINATED the league tournament
3. This group of seniors advanced to the Sweet 16 last year

I think that we are GUARANTEED a 12 seed. Furthermore, I do not feel that an 11 is out of the question, either.

[brewtownbrian]

I stand corrected! Thanks for the info PantherLou and I hope you're right.

I guess for the reasons those common misconceptions exist, I still think the program has flown under the radar more than last season, both locally and nationally. I still can fathom why the local coverage isn't more. In the end this makes me that UWM will get a 13 seed.

Arguing/debating it is somewhat obsolete because, either way, a 12 or 13 seed...they'll be facing an uphill battle against a "better" team from a "better" conference.

You gotta love tourney time!!!

[brewtownbrian]

pantherlou said:

I think that we are GUARANTEED a 12 seed. Furthermore, I do not feel that an 11 is out of the question, either.

Wow...that would be great.

Although not much difference between playing the 5 seeds and the 6's.

And according to some stats I looked up, 12 seeds actually have a better winning percentage in the tourney, .339, with an overall record of 43 wins and 84 losses.

Compared to 11 seeds, .306 and an overall record of 37-84.

And 13 seeds have a winning percentage of .200 and a 21-84 record.

[Hack]

pantherlou said:

2004-05:
Best Home Win: vs St. Louis (RPI 115)

UWM played St. Louis on the road in 2004-05 at the Savvis Center. ... St. Louis came here this year.

I think you may be thinking of Air Force.

[PantherLou]

yes hack, you are correct. Air Force was our BEST victory of all of last year.

FYI - the game against Air Force was a thrilling 50-45 victory. Just a refresher for anyone who thinks that BP's sytem consistently produced high scoring, exciting basketball.

[brewtownbrian]

pantherlou said:

yes hack, you are correct. Air Force was our BEST victory of all of last year.

FYI - the game against Air Force was a thrilling 50-45 victory. Just a refresher for anyone who thinks that BP's sytem consistently produced high scoring, exciting basketball.

Very good reminder to the doubters out there!

And how many points did they score in the HL championship game? <-- sarcasm...

87 points!

[uwm97]

pantherlou said:

yes hack, you are correct. Air Force was our BEST victory of all of last year.

FYI - the game against Air Force was a thrilling 50-45 victory. Just a refresher for anyone who thinks that BP's sytem consistently produced high scoring, exciting basketball.

Pearl played Air Force's style that game and allowed them to dictate the tempo. That's because the year before Air Force destroyed us when we played them there, and he didn't want a repeat of that game. That game was an obvious exception to how we played 90% of the time under him.