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Post by uwmsccr09 on Nov 15, 2005 22:06:30 GMT -6
One nice thing to consider, though, is that at least UWM started off the season against a brutal opponent. Now, going into the rest of the non-conference schedule and conference games, the games will seem that much easier. Not to mention the team will only get better, not worse. I'm still very optimistic about this season; I don't think the horizon league can stop joah tucker.
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Don't shoot so much Tone.
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Post by fan on Nov 15, 2005 22:17:29 GMT -6
Allow me to relax my 3pt criticism a bit as I hastily forgot that the 3pt line was abnormally further back for this tournament. That undoubtedly played a factor in 2-14
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Post by Pantherholic on Nov 15, 2005 22:19:27 GMT -6
easily the stupidest post one could've made about tonight's game. it was beyond frustrating to watch but you should become a Florida Gators fb fan w/ that type of mentality. we deserved to lose w/ the type of ball we played. i think we could be in agreement that both bendall and wimmer should not touch the ball offensively in a close game situation and Avery will be more dominant once he slows down and doesn't force his shots. he reminded me of a young Brett Favre who'd be over anxious in games and throw the ball 135mph instead of his usual 100 mph. i have a lot of confidence in this team but its really frustrating to see this level of talent play this poor. i look for a drastic improvement vs. Upper Iowa next week. edit: McCoy SHOULD NOT be allowed to shoot another 3pt. shot unless we're up by 20 w/ under 1 min. left in any game.
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Post by germanathens on Nov 15, 2005 22:28:00 GMT -6
From the official UWM athletics website:
#12 Memphis 79, UWM 52
Nov. 15, 2005
Recap | Box Score
Milwaukee Head Coach Rob Jeter on how Memphis' size affected the game
"I thought we got the ball in positions to do some things but didn't come away with anything because of their length. Their length was a factor, definitely. We got the ball in the post and then they had a few blocked shots. We settled on some shots in that stretch where we got it down to eight, and then it got out of hand from there. But I think it had more to do with their length than us not using shot fakes or getting them in the air."
Jeter on the Panthers getting to the free throw line 34 times
"It definitely is something I was pleased with. We got to the line 34 times and, basically, it was because we moved well away from the ball and we were aggressive. That's what got us back in the game. We were down and then we fought our way back and it took a lot of energy to do that. Then we settled for some outside shots. I mean 2-of-something from three. That's when you start to settle and that's when, quickly, the game got out of hand."
Jeter on how to overcome scoring spells
"We'll try to make shots. There is nothing, offensively, that we're not doing to get there. I thought, in the exhibition games, we settled for shots and we didn't stay aggressive. That wasn't the case tonight. I thought we were aggressive, we got it in the areas. But, defensively, those guys were pretty long, a little longer than our guys are used to shooting over. It was difficult for us to make those shots."
Jeter on what he thought the Panthers needed to do coming into the game "What I thought we needed to do coming into the game was take care of the ball, and that told the story. In the first 10 minutes of the game, we had 13 turnovers. From that point, we only had six. At that point, we ended up going down 20, and once we took care of the basketball, we quickly got back in the basketball game. I thought it was crucial that we took care of the basketball. Second, I thought we needed to stay aggressive, and I thought we did that in spurts. We made hard cuts and they were calling fouls. Then we got into a critical area there where we missed a few threes and they made a few threes, and then it just snowballed."
Jeter on what the Panthers will take from the game
"It's only the first game of the season. Most teams have the luxury of playing at home, like Memphis did in this tournament, and play in familiar surroundings. You have the chance to play against teams that, matchup-wise, are a little easier to deal with. This team, having a new coach and then having to come in here with guys that were twice their size at moments, I thought was a real big test for us. It's the first game. It's going to take time. You look across the country, there are a lot of teams that are still searching for some things. Memphis is no different. There are some things Memphis would like to improve on. We're one of those teams that will definitely get better. Can I say two or three games down the road? I don't know, but I can say we'll definitely be better tomorrow because of this game."
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Post by hurstbeans on Nov 15, 2005 22:32:30 GMT -6
Dear sweet God... A curious post on the Butler fan board sent me here to witness the dramatic gnashing of teeth.
I thought the Butler fans were pessimistic, but y'all take the cake. You played a Top 20 team, for gosh sakes. Settle down...
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I am Art Vandelay, I am an Importer/Exporter
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Post by ArtVandelay on Nov 15, 2005 22:40:45 GMT -6
Rob's post game comments make me like him more and more as a coach. He didn't sugar coat anything, and was right on with his comments about when the game got out of hand, and the reasons for it. We were only down 42-34 in the 2nd half, but the players started to not make the right reads and force shots...
I think it was noted earlier in this thread that we should have been running a full court press, but the truth is at the start of the game we did press. The only problem was that with their speed they easily broke it leaving them wide open 3's for Carney and others. Thats the reason we got down so big early, luckily our coach made the right adjustments and we got back in the game.
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Post by teddyp00 on Nov 15, 2005 22:56:18 GMT -6
Just got home from some drinking at MG....and after even more heavy drinking after the game these are my thoughts...
Just some quick comments on the game. First, this is almost what i expected after seeing the UW-P game last week. Offense was still shakey and the players just looked lost in the swing. We have no threat from the 3 point line (especially from the trial line that was used in this tourny). The players from Memphis were huge much like I expected, and like I had mentioned in another post, lack of size and attitude played a huge factor. We really needed to build a 10-2 type lead against Memphis to kill the young teams confidence, but we were unable to do so. But overall a bigger lose than I expected.
Some other notes: -Young, where was he? Nowhere, like most seemed to predict from his preseason. -Tucker is a stud and will be the MAN this year. -A. Smith is gonna be damn good and a stud in years to come. -Size? Can we please recuite some size? -Boo who? He is not a pressure player and we can not rely on him to perform in big games. -Tigert, not a typical game for him and will usually be solid. -Massiah will be a big player for the team by year end.
Finally, for Jeter if any of you expected for something other than what you saw in the preseason games than you dont understand preseason games. Jeter is here to run his style, not Peals no matter how much you wish for it. And I dont want to see any other style. This style wins games and is attractive to post players. So if you dont want to win games or attract 6'10 players to our program than continue to want to run Jeter out of town. But, if you want to slowly turn our team into one that can compete with any team in the country than be patient and let Jeter's style take shape and get a class of recuits or two in before you judge him.
I will try to clean this up tommorw after teaching and offer some more in depth thoughts.
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Post by coacheinerson on Nov 15, 2005 23:04:39 GMT -6
Everybody needs to chill out and listen to the voice of reason (LOU WHERE ARE YOU???) Hey... Memphis is tight... real tight. We'll get it. Let's start with Upper Iowa. It's a long season, let's not jump off a bridge just yet. Remember that Wisconsin game last year?? It could be worse. After that game, we never thought we'd score again. firerobjeter.com? <--- ridiculous idea... a little embarrassing that i found it on the board actually.
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Post by Tanker on Nov 15, 2005 23:42:52 GMT -6
Lots not throw in the towel just yet.This team is playing a team ranked in the top 15 in the nation. Yes last year UWM made an unbelievable run in the tourney and had a down right outstanding year but, to expect them to come out and run up and down with a team like memphis is ridiculous. I dont care how athletic you may think the panthers are they dont have one player except maybe Joah that is as athletic as the top 5-6 for memphis. Its just the first one I think you have to cut the panthers and the coaching staff alittle slack. If we for some reason run into memphis in the topurney or a team like them later in the year we will play them much stronger. Give it some time. I think the panthers are going to be just fine.
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Post by tigerfan05 on Nov 15, 2005 23:59:55 GMT -6
You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think UWM has the athletes to run with Memphis. Not a chance. There is an enormous gap in talent between Memphis and UWM. BBFran I normally value your opinion and find you to be one of the most accurate posters available on any site. In this instance however I strongly disagree with your call. In fact I think your post strongly disagrees with its own call. If we had the talent/size to beat these guys then we beat them in a halfcourt set. While it is true that they are also fast and can run with us, we get a chance to win by playing to our own strength. Why would we try to play to our weakness against a bigger more talented team? If Jeter recruits players who play better in a halfcourt set then we play the halfcourt but this team will struggle. Realize though that I'm not asking for us to push it and take a bad shot or to push it every time for that matter. Time and again we had players flying off rebounds and ahead of their men by 10-20 steps. Our guards walked the ball up the court. My request for a press was not actually that. I don't think we can or should press. I didn't really care for it when even Bruce ran it against superior teams. My gripe is that our players are in position to press everytime and never do. Why? They aren't trapping. They aren't doing anything. To the Boo Davis explanation-Boo outplayed Avery when he did play. Boo is a better shooter than Avery and if you needed to, take out Pancratz for Boo for Pete's sake. It is true that Avery will be one of our best players but Boo needs to play. Do our players have any limits on shot selection? If I see Mccoy throw up another three ball, I'll throw a chair. good game guys. bbfran is right, your coach did a fine job. our main goal was to create an uptempo game. we played 10 players off the bench and all did well, even the freshmans. slowing the ball down was a right thing to do. and attempting to pressure us throughout the game? has any team succeeded last year in doing so when we have darius washington at point? louisville learned their lesson when we first beat them on their homecourt by 18 points. whoever said to fire yalls coach, think again. he did a fine job with a top 20 team. just the shots weren't falling.
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Post by Hack on Nov 16, 2005 7:18:19 GMT -6
I thought the Butler fans were pessimistic, but y'all take the cake. You played a Top 20 team, for gosh sakes. Settle down... Let's get one thing straight ... the Butler board said UWM "fans" were calling for Rob's head when in fact it was one person making one completely inane post.
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Post by sauby on Nov 16, 2005 7:25:11 GMT -6
All in all, Memphis played alot better than our Panthers...turnovers killed up alot, but Joah seemed like he was the only one that came to play....I hope more people in the next few months step it up
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Post by pnthr97 on Nov 16, 2005 7:44:17 GMT -6
Here are my retrospective thoughts from last night...
Memphis is capital G Good. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see them make a deep tournament run. As RJ said, their length posed lots of problems - shortened the passing lanes, etc. - which led to a lot of turnovers.
As far as we're concerned, if you really look back, our best play came when we stayed WITHIN the offense. That's when we cut the lead to 12 before half and down to 8 early in the second. Then, for whatever reason, shots are forced (including McCoy's 3 - what the hell was that!) and the backcourt completely falls apart. If I remember right, we had about 8 turnovers in a 3 minute stretch - BRUTAL!!!
The encouraging thing is how they played when they stayed with the offense. Also, they played pretty solid half-court defense against a VERY good team.
Due to Memphis' length, quickness and just pure athleticism, there's no way we could've run with them. Instead, RJ did the right thing in slowing the game down, and for good portions of it, was effective.
As far as Wimmer and Bendall, RJ didn't have a choice to put them in due to foul trouble. Also, not surprisingly, Young didn't see the court in the second half. He seems out of his element right now and really needs to look in the mirror.
I was encouraged by Avery's play. I think Al Hanson is going to see a lot of pine these next three years.
Messiah looked very composed, but I'd like to see him be more assertive in the offense.
Tigert looked overwhelmed.
Hill played pretty well, other than some forced passes.
Boo need to realize he can't make lazy passes. Two of his led to Memphis dunks.
JT was JT. He may be the best player to ever don the black and gold.
Looking back, there are some encouraging things to take out of the game. We just need to realize that Memphis was the better team in all categories, and proved it.
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Post by famouspnthrfan on Nov 16, 2005 8:23:41 GMT -6
I was unimpressed from the beginning...not by the coach...or by the players, but by the whole team. I know they played the #12 team in the nation and damnit Memphis played like one, but it wasn't the score that leaves me just a little disappointed after this game. Our guys didn't seem to play with a lot of guts...I didn't feel any intensity from them. I know it's gonna be difficult at the beggining of ANY season because players are jelling together and the coach is trying to find the right mix. However, I disagreed with Mr. Jeter in a few different respects. I felt it was unnecessary for him to remove a player after they did something wrong. For example, twice jason mccoy came in the game, committed a foul, and was taken out. GIVE HIM A CHANCE! It's not like Jeter had to be worried about Mccoy getting in foul trouble because well quite frankly McCoy isn't an essential part of the 5 guys out on the floor. How can a player get in any kind of rhythm when he's brought in for a minute and taken out the next. Also, what is Bendall doing in the game. I know Jeter needed size, and well we don't have a whole lot. But I think our chances would be much better with Young, McCoy, or quite frankly, most anyone else on the bench. Look at when Bendall got his lunch served to him for example, I wasn't disappointed that he got the ball shoved down his throat, but instead by his unbelievably stupid foul right after. I haven't seen a foul like that since middle school. Boo didn't play well, however you have to stick with your best players. Boo is hands down our best 3-point threat, and while he was off tonight, I'm sure he was nervous. Hell it's the first game of the season, on TV, not to mention it was against the #12 team in the land...(I think they're better than that even)....Boo was out of control at times, as was Hill, as was the surprise of the night Avery Smith, as was Massiah and nearly everyone who was on the court (including Joah-though he had a good game scoring). And I like Wimmer because I think he's actually pretty darn good. But you can't put him out there in the first half and have him handle the rock. He doesn't have enough experience or necessarily talent to handle the ball against those guards. (Look at what happened the only time he had the ball...stolen)....and ya know what after that happened I thought, ok I hope they give Wimmer a chance to try again at least, but nope, he was taken out immediately. This may have been Jeter seeing what each of his players could offer but I don't agree. However, I thought that overall they didn't play that poorly. Avery Smith was incredible, and Joah did pretty good. What really hurt us was Memphis' size. We shot 22%, not because the ball wasn't falling, but because they were shooting over guys who with their hands up, are 25 feet tall. It was a bad match up. In weeks to come I think you'll see a bit of the team from last year, running down the court and lighting it up, while still maintaining Jeter's offense. The half court set should be looked at as a plus, not a minus. It's just another set in the offense repetoire that these seniors know from last year. Chris is still gonna push it, Boo's still gonna jack 3s...it's gonna come. And you all shouldn't be that surprised of the www.firerobjeter.com comments. Listen guys, this is what happened when Bruce first came to UWM...and I know we've been spoiled the last few years...so give it some time....I know it's frustrating because we have so much talent on this year's team, but Jeter will figure it out. He wasn't hired to coach a Sweet Sixteen team because he wasn't any good. Have faith, we'll still end up with a very good season. Until then, sit back and watch Memphis kill most of the teams they play this year...and don't forget...this loss will actually help our RPI...I'm out guys
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Post by PANTHERfan on Nov 16, 2005 8:48:17 GMT -6
alright, some people obviously need to stay away from their computers while a game is being played... leads to some pretty stupid posts. face it, Memphis is going to be a very good team this year (so is UWM). they have size, athleticism, and for being as young as they are, play fairly good team defense. it was a matchup nightmare for us. to top it off, not having our shots fall and not valuing the basketball are going to inevitably lead to failure when you play a team of this caliber. that said i thought there were many positives to take away from the game. there were stretches where our defensive looked impressive and our half court offense started actually looking like a real half court offense. just wait until it's fully understood and we're playing conference games. we'll likely be very physical and extremely difficult to deal with. we'll certainly need Boo to step up his shooting and likely need one of the younger guys to to have a scoring impact. Joah just needs to keep doing what he does. Avery Smith is looking like he could be the real deal. He's young and that was apparent when he put up that hurried shot when we had a chance to go into the half only down by 8 or 7. he'll learn.
all in all, i'm glad we played this game early. it's going to be a great teaching tool for Jeter. it exposed all the things we'll need to do better. thankfully they're things this team is absolutely capable of doing. can't wait to see how they rebound next monday.
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