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Post by MKEPanthers45 on Mar 22, 2016 10:11:09 GMT -6
LOL 6-10? Yeah, that's not happening. Just wondering ... Which don't you think is happening? That we'll have that many scholarships to fill or that a new coach won't be able to fill them in that short amount of time? We already have three open with the Seniors leaving. Jordy and Akeem make that five. I'm sure there is going to be a few more who don't return. I'm thinking 6 is probably the minimum. Austin can only transfer if he graduates, Cody can also go if he wants. All the others would have to sit out another year and lose a year of eligibility, or go d2/d3 if they wanna transfer. I'm guessing we lose 5-7.
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 22, 2016 10:16:22 GMT -6
From the Tweets posted by Jimmy last night, it appears as though just about the entire roster wants out at this point. I really don't think it even matters who is hired to coach next year. Braun has created such a mess that none of them seem to want any part of the program any longer.
The only question is will she hold them hostage and not grant the releases.
We are looking at literally the worst possible scenario. No coach, no donors and players who are here against their will.
5 alarm dumpster fire.
EDIT: Forgot to add that if players leave without graduating (and some may), that will not help the program's academic standing going forward.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 22, 2016 11:01:24 GMT -6
Maybe if we work at it, we can get Braun charged with the Kennedy assassination.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 22, 2016 11:12:11 GMT -6
Be very wary, folks, of any of these "longtime listener, first-time callers."
This isn't about Jeter. He's gone now.
This is about the administration of our men's basketball program.
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Mar 22, 2016 11:28:03 GMT -6
It's crazy how things change so quick. We go from being top 4 or 5 in the league every year (get out of here with that mediocre crap) & being a contender almost every year to now having no coach, irritated donors, players turning on the AD and many likely rough years to come...all thanks to one person.
Add in all of the trolls on this board & it does not make this situation any better.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 22, 2016 11:54:48 GMT -6
Just wondering ... Which don't you think is happening? That we'll have that many scholarships to fill or that a new coach won't be able to fill them in that short amount of time? We already have three open with the Seniors leaving. Jordy and Akeem make that five. I'm sure there is going to be a few more who don't return. I'm thinking 6 is probably the minimum. Ok, here are the returning players and their updated eligibility. I'm only putting on the scholarship players so there's no confusion: Jordan Johnson - True Sr - if he wants to transfer, he'll have to sit a year Springs - RS Sr - has to graduate in summer in order to play immediately. Tweeted his career is most important so if he doesn't graduate this summer, he'll lose his 5th year Stull - RS So - will lose a year for transferring Jeremy Johnson - RS Fr - will lose a year for transferring Wichmann - True Sr - if he wants to transfer, he'll have to sit a year Rongstad - RS So - will lose a year for transferring Tyler - RS Jr - will lose a year for transferring Arians - RS Sr - has to graduate in summer in order to play immediately. Brett Prahl - RS SO - will lose a year for transferring As for the recruits, Nze & Curran will have to be released from their LOI and Bryce Barnes is essentially a free agent since he is not signed. Recruiting classes are typically the main casualty of a coaching change so they're all a crapshoot for now IMO. As for the list above, I'd be rather surprised if Cody & Jordan willingly sat a year to play one more. Same with Tyler AND he loses a year to sit again. I don't know how much of a priority for an education he has but for anyone who has transferred knows, transferring your credits is a b*tch (even within the UW system). Transferring twice? Just cut your losses. As for Springs & Arians, Braun has apparantly told Springs his scholarship is only good through this semester and not summer. He'll have to pay his own way for summer classes to graduate. I don't see why Arians wouldn't be in the same scenario and I know less about his graduation capabilities. So is it possible they leave? Yes. Probable? *shrugs shoulders* In terms of "mass defections" we're looking at Prahl, Stull, Jeremy Johnson & Rongstad who will have the most amount of remaining eligibilty. Could they leave? Definitely. Is it probable? *shrugs shoulders* I also didn't include McCloud since I don't know what's going on with him. Is he still enrolled? Would the new coach be able to try to bring him back? Yes the team is pissed. So are a lot of players when their coach is fired. Being pissed NOW doesn't mean they WILL transfer. To say "cooler heads won't prevail" for this entire team is definitely an extreme. If the replacement comes in and his style of play caters to theirs, I don't see many leaving, especially if their remaining eligibility is low. Jordan will be fine if he moves on but Austin? I don't see him having the same options this off-season like he had previously. He was a liability for the majority of the season after the Badgers game and his shooting % dropped 7%.
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 22, 2016 12:14:21 GMT -6
Honest questions for you Holic.
Is it better to have a group of disgruntled, angry, and perhaps unmotivated college kids on your roster becasue they have no other choice? A new coach is not going to make them feel any better about this situation becasue they aren't mad about the coaching, they are made at the AD.
Why would they fall in love with a new coach brought in by the AD they cannot stomach right now?
I just do not see how the next 3 years or so are anything but a total loss for the program, putting the new coach in an even worse spot.
How do you even lure a quality candidate into this type of a situation?
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Post by brewcityitalian on Mar 22, 2016 12:49:59 GMT -6
Like I said, it's better to keep the slate clean, fire Braun, and include the players in on the coaching, keep the ship happy and for somebody they could play for. This is not gonna bode well with the way braun handled this one bit.
This is gonna be bad long term.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 22, 2016 15:39:52 GMT -6
Honest questions for you Holic. Is it better to have a group of disgruntled, angry, and perhaps unmotivated college kids on your roster becasue they have no other choice? A new coach is not going to make them feel any better about this situation becasue they aren't mad about the coaching, they are made at the AD. Why would they fall in love with a new coach brought in by the AD they cannot stomach right now? I just do not see how the next 3 years or so are anything but a total loss for the program, putting the new coach in an even worse spot. How do you even lure a quality candidate into this type of a situation? I think Amanda's treatment of the next coach will be different because it's HER coach and she'll be judged on his success. While I don't agree with her methods in dealing with Rob, I don't see her doing the same things given that she'll be held far more accountable from here on out. I don't think she'll be able to dole out the same excuses to two regimes.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 22, 2016 17:38:09 GMT -6
Jordan Johnson - True Sr - if he wants to transfer, he'll have to sit a year Springs - RS Sr - has to graduate in summer in order to play immediately. Tweeted his career is most important so if he doesn't graduate this summer, he'll lose his 5th year Stull - RS So - will lose a year for transferring Jeremy Johnson - RS Fr - will lose a year for transferring Wichmann - True Sr - if he wants to transfer, he'll have to sit a year Rongstad - RS So - will lose a year for transferring Tyler - RS Jr - will lose a year for transferring Arians - RS Sr - has to graduate in summer in order to play immediately. Brett Prahl - RS SO - will lose a year for transferring Prahl, Jeremy and Jordan Johnson, Rongstad (not scholarship btw) and Stull would simply have to sit as transfer 'redshirts' unless they could get the NCAA to give them waivers due to things like hardship, etc. Coaching changes almost never are those things. I don't believe they'd lose any actual eligibility. I might be wrong. Arians and Wichmann can both graduate this spring. Akeem would have to graduate in the summer. I've spoken with several players. They're all just very uneasy. I would fault no player for leaving. I care about these kids very much and consider them Panthers no matter what jersey they wear for the rest of their college careers. Obviously I prefer they stay here, but I can't be a selfish fan and push them to stay here even if the situation isn't right for them. I support them in anything they decide to do. This is a special group of kids that Rob Jeter, Chad Boudreau, Sharif Chambliss and Chris Hill have put together. I've told them all the same thing I've told everyone on here - don't let an association to Amanda (as her hire) cause you to hold anything against the next basketball coach. That would be a very unfair thing to do to the next basketball coach. I know a couple players have been talking to 2 GB players, who both wanted to transfer here last spring but couldn't get UWGB to release them from their scholarships. They ended up liking Linc Darner and though I haven't spoken to either of them this season, I'm sure that's the message they've sent to our guys: give the next guy a chance. If the new coach gets here and they don't mesh, then they can move on. I don't fault them for making that decision, and if anyone from Milwaukee tries to hold their decision to transfer or leave the program against the players themselves, they're going to find themselves in a closed door meeting with me and the business end of a 2X4.
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 22, 2016 18:44:19 GMT -6
The players have to do what is best for them. I cannot fathom that there will be anything but vindictiveness directed at them after going public this way. I really can't imagine that they will choose to endure another year of this treatment...now all but guaranteed to be worse.
As for Braun, I really cannot see her surviving this in the long run, either. When donors are on the record, sponsors are fleeing the program, and the media is digging hard, your time is about up.
She would really need to get an unbelievable coach at a really low price and then have him almost immediately win the conference and perhaps even an NCAA Tournament game or two to overcome all the damage that has been done.
I don't think most of the posters and readers here understand how bad the situation is, and how much impact this is having to the university as a whole.
It's really, really bad.
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Mar 22, 2016 20:52:59 GMT -6
It seems funny to me that people can't step back and look at this opening as more than a dead end job. For whatever reason perhaps being to close to people involved or influence from some who wish they were the picture is distorted. An opportunity as a D1 coach is special despite ADs, players who are angry and donors who come and go. We live in a city with an NBA franchise, Major League Baseball and yes Marquette. The campus is in the best part of the city and the cost of living remains moderate. If you live in Shorewood or Whitefish Bay your kids will be safe and receive a great education. Recruiting in Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa won't strain the budget. The city has great restaurants, Summerfest, Riverwest, Festivals, and is on the verge of a Downtown Rennaisance. So if I am a Pat Miller, Lavall Jordan, Lamont Paris or whoever wants to move up in the coaching ranks to be one of 350 D1 coaches, the UWM job which in some cases would triple ones income looks pretty appealing. Hell I might win the lottery and become a major donor and put 73withharoldlee on the new practice facility. Coaches are some of the most competitive and devoted people around at all levels. They want to be challenged. They want athletes who care and get angry. Enough said.
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Mar 23, 2016 7:57:55 GMT -6
Uh, Amanda is definitely doing everything she can to alienate everyone she can, but let's get one thing straight... We go from being top 4 or 5 in the league every year (get out of here with that mediocre crap) & being a contender almost every year.... Our program hasn't finished 4th in the League since *four* years ago, and that was clearly an aberration. And what is this about "being a contender almost every year"? If you meant a contender for those coveted 1st round HL tourney home games, then yes we were. But if you meant for a conference championship, a HL tourney double-bye, or even an NIT bid, then please stop being absurd. WE'VE FINISHED TOP 2 IN THE HL JUST ***ONE TIME*** IN THE LAST TEN YEARS! So enough with the revisionist history already, 5th-Placer "fans". You only make our arguments weaker with hyperbole. And you're making our program look mediocre by saying 5th in the Horizon League is acceptable to you on a year-to-year basis, when it isn't to 99% of us. So please stop. Thank you. Now carry on with the Amanda bashing.
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 23, 2016 8:12:39 GMT -6
Uh, Amanda is definitely doing everything she can to alienate everyone she can, but let's get one thing straight... We go from being top 4 or 5 in the league every year (get out of here with that mediocre crap) & being a contender almost every year.... Our program hasn't finished 4th in the League since *four* years ago, and that was clearly an aberration. And what is this about "being a contender almost every year"? If you meant a contender for those coveted 1st round HL tourney home games, then yes we were. But if you meant for a conference championship, a HL tourney double-bye, or even an NIT bid, then please stop being absurd. WE'VE FINISHED TOP 2 IN THE HL JUST ***ONE TIME*** IN THE LAST TEN YEARS! So enough with the revisionist history already, 5th-Placer "fans". You only make our arguments weaker with hyperbole. And you're making our program look mediocre by saying 5th in the Horizon League is acceptable to you on a year-to-year basis, when it isn't to 99% of us. So please stop. Thank you. Now carry on with the Amanda bashing. For the record, being mediocre is NOT acceptable. I have never argued that, nor will I. Having said that, the reality is that Mid Majors struggle to be competitive at the highest levels on a year in year out basis. The majority of programs ride a roller coaster. Every 4 years or so a Sr. laden team explodes and does things like make the Sweet 16. Then its back to rebuilding for the next run. In Milwaukee, doing that is made more difficult than the typical program because of the lack of institutional support from the Chancellor on down, the incredibly indefensible lack of facilities and the difficulty in recruiting in the same area as programs like UW, Marquette, Butler, and the rest. Getting the best talent is not just a slam dunk in the upper midwest. Sure, we could just become the JUCO kings like Pearl was, but that is not going to bring long term success, either. Milwaukee is a challenging place to win, and we all know that. BUT, I do expect we figure out how to win and win regularly here. It can be done. But it requires more than just a Head Coach to accomplish. A new coach is not a cure all....the problems with the program run far deeper than that.
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Mar 23, 2016 11:32:08 GMT -6
Uh, Amanda is definitely doing everything she can to alienate everyone she can, but let's get one thing straight... We go from being top 4 or 5 in the league every year (get out of here with that mediocre crap) & being a contender almost every year.... Our program hasn't finished 4th in the League since *four* years ago, and that was clearly an aberration. And what is this about "being a contender almost every year"? If you meant a contender for those coveted 1st round HL tourney home games, then yes we were. But if you meant for a conference championship, a HL tourney double-bye, or even an NIT bid, then please stop being absurd. WE'VE FINISHED TOP 2 IN THE HL JUST ***ONE TIME*** IN THE LAST TEN YEARS! So enough with the revisionist history already, 5th-Placer "fans". You only make our arguments weaker with hyperbole. And you're making our program look mediocre by saying 5th in the Horizon League is acceptable to you on a year-to-year basis, when it isn't to 99% of us. So please stop. Thank you. Now carry on with the Amanda bashing. You act like it is so easy to win conference and be in the tournament every year as a mid-major. Look at the last few years of HL tourney history and tell me how this is so easy. I am not going to even waste my time arguing with you because I know who this is and it's not even worth it. You will soon see that all of this Braun bashing is well warranted when we have 3 or 4 starters leaving the program & with one of our best players in the last 10 years saying he is "ashamed to be a Panther". But, apparently that does not mean anything to you....just don't be "mediocre". Whatever.
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