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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 31, 2006 10:03:37 GMT -6
Someone said that Green Bay underachieving every year.... That would be me...and I guess I should have been more clear. I was referring to the expectations of the fans. I know plenty of people in the GB area and do plenty of business in GB for my job, so I listen to the sports talk radio up there. And it always seems like the fans expect big things from UWGB and they fall short. Just my opinion. I'd also like to point out AGAIN, that losing a bunch of seniors and coming back with a quality squad is not unprecedented. It happened to UWM a few years ago when they lost, Clay Tucker, Ronnie Jones, Jason Frederick and a few other seniors. Lots of other people have pointed this out and halo, you just can't seem to grasp it! Granted it's not easy, but it's also not unprecedented. |
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Post by coacheinerson on Mar 31, 2006 10:05:52 GMT -6
Also, a tiebreaker was the only reason that GB ended up third last season... not something to boast about.
Whoops, sorry Hack, looks like you covered that.
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Post by JimmyLemke on Mar 31, 2006 10:09:41 GMT -6
2004-05 preseason 3rd finished 2nd...... 2005-06 preaseason 7nth finished 3rd..... ANYTHING ELSE?  Finishing one spot better than you were predicted to doesn't really count as "significantly better" |
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Post by halo on Mar 31, 2006 10:48:06 GMT -6
ok.......nothing Green Bay does is good enough for you..... what about the butt-kicking of a senior-talent loaded team on National TV???...............any credit to what Kowalczyk builds up in GB? |
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Post by Big D on Mar 31, 2006 11:00:17 GMT -6
What guards does UWM have coming in that are going to be "the best in the league?" I agree with halo that that might be a bit of a stretch. Detroit's Cotton and Bell are going to be solid.
Keep in mind, until those recruits play, they are good only on paper. Just because you have a PG who can raise up and throw down does not mean he will be a good PG. Look at Karl White with UIC. Everyone, including the coaches, thought he was the next Ced Banks...the guy has insane athletic ability. But he just hasn't produced.
I like the optimism from UWM fans, but I think you guys are underestimating what it means to lose 7 seniors. Yeah, you lost some experience a while ago, and it didn't affect you much. I think you lucked out last time.
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Post by JimmyLemke on Mar 31, 2006 11:00:31 GMT -6
Credit, yes. The biggest win of the season for Green Bay.
The credit doesn't go to Kowalczyk, it goes to the players. Evanochko played the best game of his career, and Terry Evans was dynamite.
Joah Tucker had 21 points, but was also 0-6 from 3 point land and 1-8 from the free throw line. You really think it's a huge coincidence that the final margin is how many missed free throws Joah had? Let's not mention the Panthers shot 32 or 33% from the field in the second half.
I would say the biggest reason that UWM lost is Ryan Evanochko played the game that made him all-conference.
Let's talk about that margin, though. Is 7 points really a "butt-kicking?" Not really, kid. Be gone.
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Post by halo on Mar 31, 2006 11:08:05 GMT -6
You dont have to make a bunch of excuses for the loss.....Green Bay played better and won a game that your senior dominated team should have won
I agree it was UWGB's best win of the season.I understand you guys to be biased. I am biased with Green Bay. I never came out (and never heard anyone in GB) to say that this years team would win the conference. There are guys in here saying that UWM will have the best guards in the conference. dont you think that statements like that are bad for ur program???
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 31, 2006 11:11:08 GMT -6
ok.......nothing Green Bay does is good enough for you..... what about the butt-kicking of a senior-talent loaded team on National TV???...............any credit to what Kowalczyk builds up in GB? You're right, nothing GB does will ever be good enough because we don't care about GB's success. We're UWM fans! Why should we have expectations and assumptions about a team we're not fans of? I'll give pmck credit for nothing. I hate him as much as I hate Tom Crean and Tom Izzo. And I try to pay as little attention as possible to what he does because, similar to my feelings about UWGB, I don't care!!! I try to focus on UWM, my team! |
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 31, 2006 11:14:47 GMT -6
Keep in mind, until those recruits play, they are good only on paper. Just because you have a PG who can raise up and throw down does not mean he will be a good PG. Good point. And well stated. Thank you for not resorting to calling UWM fans crackheads. I agree until the ball gets tossed at center court...it doesn't mean a whole helluva lot. I guess we'll just have to wait for the season to start before it can all be sorted out. Is it November yet? |
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Post by famouspnthrfan on Mar 31, 2006 11:23:02 GMT -6
Hey halo...if you want to say your season was a success because you guys beat us once this year...then good. However, I believe that your season wasn't good enough for consideration into any postseason of any kind. And I believe that you guys have had decent players for years...and it never amounts to anything. I'll give you guys credit for not being YOungstown state. But you're just not a top team. There's no reason to think that we couldn't compete with you next year. You don't know, and well we don't even know who's all coming to UWM to play next year. But ya know what, I wouldn't bet against us, because 2 straight good showings in the NCAA tournament is going to get us recruits that you "cow milkers" might never get. I'm just saying that just because we lost our best players, and we did, doesn't mean we can't come back next year and contend. But thanks for listening Halo...I gotta go "smoke some crack"...big day
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Post by famouspnthrfan on Mar 31, 2006 11:24:55 GMT -6
There are guys in here saying that UWM will have the best guards in the conference. dont you think that statements like that are bad for ur program??? And NO that's not bad for our program, because a statement one fan makes on a discussion board isn't going to hurt a strong mid-major program like ours...something UWGB has never and will never know about |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 31, 2006 11:33:16 GMT -6
jpanther03 ........go milk your cow!!!!!! let me see your ANALysis dumbass!!!!!! Halo: 1) not only do you live in the same state as jpanther03 but also in a MUCH more rural part of the state than Milwaukee. pot meet kettle. 2) your high-school humor still isn't funny. you tried it before on Wright State's board and it failed miserably. you've tried it now on our board and failed miserably. see a pattern starting to form? 3) i know GB fans touch themselves endlessly w/ beating us this year b/c that is the only highlight they ever have considering they continuously exit the conference tourney early. how many wins do u have in the last 4 years..........yeah. but hey, at least we could beat Butler ;D now to fellow panther fans: i'm not trying to insult you guys but you're making some rather bold statements with this class...to which isn't even completed. i too am anxious to see Ricky and think Charlie could be a great contribution along w/ Kaylan and Paige. however this "greatest guards in the league" when they've never stepped foot onto the court (excluding Avery and Al) is rather bold. depth wise we might have the best guards but we can't say they for sure are the most talented until we have stats and/or game tape to prove it. i agree w/ Big D (first time for everything  ) that they're only that good on paper as of now. yes i think we have a chance to contend but i'm not really laying much for expectations this year. maybe i'm being too cautious w/ my predictions but i think it's too early to say we'll contend for the title again when 4 scholarships haven't been filled yet. hopefully the coaches get the guys they really want (which to them it seems like they will) but we won't know until April 12th at the earliest. all i'm saying is to maybe pull back the reins a bit, even if a GB troll comes on here showing off how stupid he is. what do u expect from a rival fan? |
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Post by pnthr97 on Mar 31, 2006 11:38:44 GMT -6
Keep in mind, until those recruits play, they are good only on paper. Just because you have a PG who can raise up and throw down does not mean he will be a good PG. Look at Karl White with UIC. Everyone, including the coaches, thought he was the next Ced Banks...the guy has insane athletic ability. But he just hasn't produced. I like the optimism from UWM fans, but I think you guys are underestimating what it means to lose 7 seniors. Yeah, you lost some experience a while ago, and it didn't affect you much. I think you lucked out last time. I hate saying it, but I somewhat agree with Big D here. One of the big differences between this year's team and the last time we lost 7 seniors was last time we had Dylan Page coming back, and Mielke, who was a solid contributor. We don't have anyone like that coming back this year. We're putting our eggs in an unproven, even unknown basket. That means there could be chemistry issues, etc., with the guys who come aboard. I'm not saying I think UWM isn't going to do well. I trust RJ, his recruiting, and his ability to pull guys together (god knows he had to do that a few times this year). But until we know who's coming, let's not start making predictions for next season. One advantage we do have against UIC and GB though is coaching. I'd rank PMCK and Collins at the very bottom of the conference. |
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Post by pnthr30 on Mar 31, 2006 11:56:12 GMT -6
I agree with the fact that stating we have the best guards in the league may be/is a bit far fetched.......and I also think that while we did lose 7 seniors before, this situation is completely different. Next year will be a unique one. I think we will win some games that we shouldn't, and conversely lose some games that we "should" win. Our success will be dependent upon how quickly we gel - and this gell'n may take the entire year.
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Post by halo on Mar 31, 2006 12:48:43 GMT -6
I am trying to reason with people that really dont bring anything on the table basketball wise.......you guys are ignorant about the great sport of basketball.....
Coach K took over a bad-bad team on the bottom of the league and he finished on the top three three years in a row. I ll admit that UWM was a great mid major team the last couple of years. It will take another two to three years to get to that point. Coach Jeter took over a team that lost one senior in McCants and returned 7 juniors from a team that won the league and made it to the sweet sixteen. I speculate that had Pearl was still at UWM the team would be a top 20 team in the country, win the league maybe undefeated and maybe make it further in the tourney. I believe that Jeter underachieved with a loaded team. Thats why he tried to liquidate right away and get a high majors job. It didn't work out and he has his work cut out for him next year. We will know in a short 7-8 months!!!!!
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) that they're only that good on paper as of now. yes i think we have a chance to contend but i'm not really laying much for expectations this year. maybe i'm being too cautious w/ my predictions but i think it's too early to say we'll contend for the title again when 4 scholarships haven't been filled yet. hopefully the coaches get the guys they really want (which to them it seems like they will) but we won't know until April 12th at the earliest. all i'm saying is to maybe pull back the reins a bit, even if a GB troll comes on here showing off how stupid he is. what do u expect from a rival fan?
