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Post by DunneDeal on Mar 13, 2023 11:11:19 GMT -6
Tan Tommy was a dick, and I think xtownfan would agree with that
I think Buzz or Woj offered the other and it was turned down if I recall.
The hate sometimes on this board for UW and MU is funny to me. We can all get along and share a piece of the pie. Until MKE has a long period of success, or rises out of this league we can't demand anything.
Honestly, think about it. If we played at MU, we get paid by MU, and dont have to pay rent. Fans can buy tickets and go to the game still, so travel is not an issue (I'd love to see someone argue that)
Im hoping MU makes a deep run.
Im also hoping we get to play MU again someday. (I dont think we would be able to make it into their student section again) but it would be fun to play.
Also it was brought up Indiana did a big weekend where all the schools played each other, that only worked because each was in a different conference. It could work now with HL giving ease on the scheduling
Wisco v MU MKE v GB GB v MU MKE vs Wisco GB vs Wisco MU vs MKE
Issue would be MKE or GB would have to give up the Home Game in conference play, if we was say a 4 year thing, each would give up 2 home games.
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Post by buppie05 on Mar 13, 2023 13:17:26 GMT -6
I don’t think we need to play Marquette or UW. As much as xtownfan comes across as a bit of a caricature of what we think Marquette fans are like, they aren’t wrong about a lot of things. We are owed nothing from the other in state schools.
I wouldn’t mind playing Madison, as their style of play (Big 10 style of play in general ) lends itself to us having a good chance at winning. The Big East team I would most like to play regularly is Butler. We had our natural rivalry interrupted by them changing conferences. The fans are the real victims with all the conference swapping, as the rivalries we enjoyed for years get disrupted. I would bet a lot of Butler fans feel the same way.
I would love to see Butler, UIC and Loyola on the schedule. Those were fun rivalries, especially Butler and UIC.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2023 13:51:42 GMT -6
Time to get Valpo back on the schedule! Those phonies have won nearly every game they've played against us ... other than all the ones that truly matter.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 13, 2023 13:58:09 GMT -6
I would bet a lot of Butler fans feel the same way. I’m sure Butler fans will begrudgingly settle for now being in the Big East when reminiscing about their time in the Horizon League.
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Post by xtownfan on Mar 13, 2023 14:05:32 GMT -6
In one post you stated Crean would never play Milwaukee because of his dislike for Pearl. Now in your last post you say a series was offered and we turned it down? I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but which is it? Actually it was Mike Deane, and Bo Ryan turned down the deal before going to Wisconsin and drastically reducing the deal Dick Bennett had made with UWM and Green Bay. At the time Marquette was still trying to keep the Milwaukee Classic going years after those types of tournaments had disappeared, and credible opponents were getting harder and harder to find. They offered I think a four-year deal with UWM playing in the Classic alternate years. It would have actually been an extention of the series that was already in place. It would have been a pretty good deal for UWM. In years they played in the holiday tournament, they would have gotten two games against D-1 competition, probably including a game against Marquette, and almost certainly two of the better non-conference games on their schedule. Bo Ryan turned it down because Marquette would not give him a home game. At the time, UWM was one of the worst teams in the country and drawing under 1000 a game. Then as stated, he left for Wisconsin and his views on helping out mid-majors took a sudden shift. Then Deane got fired, Crean came in, and UWM hired Pearl. (The rejected deal might have all taken place when Crean was the coach, but Ryan was definitely the coach at UWM at the time.) Crean may have been a dick, but he did not go out of his way to diss UWM. Pearl never missed an opportunity and did things like parking outside the athletic department offices and calling on his cell phone demanding to talk to Crean, who he knew was there because the lights were on in his office. Actually Crean had gone home hours earlier, but Pearl continued to badger his secretaries. Pearl tried the same sort of sh*t when he was at Southern Indiana and was trying to strong-arm Evansville into a game. Had UWM taken the deal, it would have extended into Pearl's very best years at UWM, when its fans were claiming to be the best college team in Milwaukee. When the new four-for-one deal came about (despite Haidert's attempt to kill it,) the first game in the series was when Jeter took over and was rebuilding the team, and UWM was back to being awful. Unlike Pearl, Marquette actually liked Rob Jeter. He was an assistant to Mike Deane his final year there. So the first game gets played, Marquette plays an overmatched UWM team and kills them. Late in the game, a Marquette player took a charge and everybody on the Marquette bench cheered. It had nothing to do with dissing UWM. Crean had told the team that if they took a certain number of charges in the game, he'd cancel the next day's practice. UWM fans took it as rubbing their nose in it. Then before the next game, somebody asked Crean about that and he replied, "Look, our guys don't come here so they can play UWM." Of course UWM fans took that as a great insult as well. Crean had his flaws, but it is hard to surpass Pearl in the dick sweepstakes. Crean never got demoted to D-2 for illegally recording a conversation with a player in an attempt to get an opposing team in trouble with the NCAA. He never got a show cause penalty for cheating, getting blatantly caught at it, and lying about it. He never had an affair with a staffer that came to light when his wife examined their joint credit card bill. Pearl got you a couple years of success, but at a great cost. Note: I should amend this a little, because most of this is ancient history to most UWM fans and probably to many on this board. UWM returned to D-1 right about the time Kevin O'Neill came to Marquette. They got a lot of local publicity for having one of the best records in D-1 by playing anybody who they could find who would play them. So they looked pretty good playing Missour-Kansas City and Chicago State. O'Neil was trying to rebuild the Marquette program. Kevin was never one to mince words, particularly four-letter ones, and said very frankly that he was not playing UWM any time soon. Beating them accomplished nothing and losing to them made Marquette look bad. UWM's flashy record was deceptive, as they played perhaps the worst schedule in D-1. They were desperately trying to get into a conference - any conference. But Steve Antrim did a credible job getting the program started until he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. After O'Neil left and Deane came in, Marquette signed a multi-year deal with UWM and Deane had nice things to say about how UWM had established itself as a legitimate D-1 opponent. Ric Cobb had taken over as the coach of UWM after being a great player and assistant coach at Marquette. The first game in the series was the first round of the Milwaukee Classic in I Jeter's first year. UWM was lead by Shannon Smith, who had transferred to UWM because O'Neil did not play him much, owing to the fact that he could not guard your livingroom sofa. Shannon went up against his old teammates determined to show them and refused to pass the ball to anybody and letting his teammates chase the rebounds, so Marquette calmly double-teamed him and ran up a huge halftime lead. Bye bye Shannon. From there, the series continued for another three years or so with UWM being another buy game on the schedule. That was fine, but there was nothing memorable about the games. Marquette had just joined the Great Midwest Conference which only had six teams, so that left plenty of room to schedule non-conference games, and in addition to playing the likes of Michigan and Virginia, Marquette could find room for UWM. Unfortunately for Ric, he was a nice guy but a lousy coach, and his teams were among the worst in the country. He was replaced by Ryan, who turned down the extention of the series. He was followed by the guy so many justifyably love to hate.
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 13, 2023 14:09:02 GMT -6
Cool. No one cares.
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Post by buppie05 on Mar 13, 2023 15:18:24 GMT -6
I would bet a lot of Butler fans feel the same way. I’m sure Butler fans will begrudgingly settle for now being in the Big East when reminiscing about their time in the Horizon League. My statement has nothing to do with current conference membership. I was speaking to a fans perspective about continuing rivalries. If we moved on to a different conference (which I hope we don’t), as a fan, I would still encourage us to schedule with GB. I would want to keep that rivalry going even if we no longer played in the same conference. Those games hit different. Just like Milwaukee vs Butler use to be special to both programs. Y’all may want to live in a world where longstanding rivalries get tossed aside in the name of profits, but I think there is room for both.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 13, 2023 15:43:19 GMT -6
Need to get UW and MU on the calendar, even if we have to play at their places for awhile.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2023 15:46:20 GMT -6
Guys, what if we start by dropping North Park, MSOE and Cardinal Stritch and adding Loyola, UIC and Valpo?!
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Mar 13, 2023 17:37:45 GMT -6
Time to get Valpo back on the schedule! Those phonies have won nearly every game they've played against us ... other than all the ones that truly matter. Yes! Bring the Beacons of Hope back.
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Post by TBone on Mar 13, 2023 23:26:45 GMT -6
Note: I should amend this a little, because most of this is ancient history to most UWM fans and probably to many on this board. UWM returned to D-1 right about the time Kevin O'Neill came to Marquette. They got a lot of local publicity for having one of the best records in D-1 by playing anybody who they could find who would play them. So they looked pretty good playing Missour-Kansas City and Chicago State. O'Neil was trying to rebuild the Marquette program. Kevin was never one to mince words, particularly four-letter ones, and said very frankly that he was not playing UWM any time soon. Beating them accomplished nothing and losing to them made Marquette look bad. UWM's flashy record was deceptive, as they played perhaps the worst schedule in D-1. They were desperately trying to get into a conference - any conference. But Steve Antrim did a credible job getting the program started until he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. I can honestly look at what you're saying and in general, I can agree with your premise. Besides Missouri-Kansas City and Chicago State, that 92-93 team also played Wisconsin - a team with Tracy Webster and Michael Finley, and beat them at the fieldhouse. While much of the rest of the schedule was indeed soft, because it was difficult finding games as an independent - we played and beat a team that got an NIT bid that year and later returned to the NCAA where they won a game, for the first time in fifty or so years. We also took a trip to Utah to face a Rick Majerus-coached Utah team where we lost to a team that would go on to win a game in the NCAA tournament. So it's not quite as bad as you seem to be making it out to be.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 14, 2023 6:17:36 GMT -6
I rarely missed a game in '92-93 and the UWM schedule was tissue-soft. I'm merely stating the facts and not intending to provoke anyone. Among other things, the Panthers played Northeastern Illinois on two occasions. It no longer has a program. All you can do is play the teams that will play you.
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Post by DunneDeal on Mar 14, 2023 7:11:59 GMT -6
Teams we should be scheduling.
UIC Loyola Valpo Northern Illinois Drake Northern Iowa Bradley
get some teams close by, travel is easier to do for the road warrior fans UIC, Loyola, Valpo being old friends.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 14, 2023 9:04:35 GMT -6
Teams we should be scheduling. UIC Loyola Valpo Northern Illinois Drake Northern Iowa Bradley get some teams close by, travel is easier to do for the road warrior fans UIC, Loyola, Valpo being old friends. I love what Tommy is saying, except for the part about Valpo and UIC being friends. This is like saying the Bears and Cubs are our buddies. LOL!!!!
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Post by PantherU on Mar 14, 2023 15:45:02 GMT -6
I get that it is tough to schedule games. I get that it means you have to accept deals that often look unfavorable. I get that life is unfair. I get that is sucks to be you. But that is your problem, and nobody else has a responsibility to fix it for you. This f***in' guy. I'm not saying MU or UW should do it. I'm saying sh*t talk them for ducking an equal series in a sport where the home team wins 74% of the time. Is that the same as forcing a school into an agreement? No. One thing casual fans will remember about Bruce Pearl was that he often called out Marquette to play the Panthers. He did it on the radio, TV appearances, what have you. The reason I said Lundy should do this isn't to make the series happen. It's to tip our caps toward the notion that we are valuing ourselves higher than we've been and people listening should start doing it too. It's a psychological thing. It flicks the switch in people's heads who otherwise wouldn't be thinking about us too much. People who identify as Badger or Marquette fans might pay attention to us more, and perhaps start coming to our games, if we're puffing out our chest. It literally just worked with you and all I did was post it on a message board. 'Holic pointed out another way to show we value ourselves more: ditch the Klotsche Center.
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