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Post by buppie05 on Mar 11, 2023 16:56:55 GMT -6
They very well could be. I didn't know if that was a Home and Home or not. I got the impression it was a home and home. If that’s the case, I think we have the following non conference games scheduled next year: Home: Chattanooga Road: St. Thomas UC - Davis So excited to see the Panthers live in Davis next year. I didn’t get to see them live this year because we didn’t have any damn home games in December when I come back to Wisconsin for 3 weeks. Maybe we could get a couple home games around the holidays just for me 😉.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 12, 2023 8:24:31 GMT -6
Going out to UCDavis, you wonder if they can get a paycheck game from a Pac-12 or MWC school.
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Mar 12, 2023 12:50:20 GMT -6
Going out to UCDavis, you wonder if they can get a paycheck game from a Pac-12 or MWC school. If the league is actually mandating the four Q1/Q2 buy games starting next year we might as well. Why not try to get a game with San Francisco? They are near by and have had a solid couple of seasons recently.
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Post by buppie05 on Mar 12, 2023 12:54:45 GMT -6
Going out to UCDavis, you wonder if they can get a paycheck game from a Pac-12 or MWC school. If the league is actually mandating the four Q1/Q2 buy games starting next year we might as well. Why not try to get a game with San Francisco? They are near by and have had a solid couple of seasons recently. San Fran, St Mary’s, Santa Clara. Lots of great mid majors in the Bay Area. I would try Nevada. They are clearly on the upswing, maybe even getting an At Large this year, and may even pay us to play them.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 12, 2023 13:30:00 GMT -6
If the league is actually mandating the four Q1/Q2 buy games starting next year we might as well. Why not try to get a game with San Francisco? They are near by and have had a solid couple of seasons recently. San Fran, St Mary’s, Santa Clara. Lots of great mid majors in the Bay Area. I would try Nevada. They are clearly on the upswing, maybe even getting an At Large this year, and may even pay us to play them. We have a 5-1 record against Cal State Northridge. Maybe we can restart that series?
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Post by DunneDeal on Mar 12, 2023 13:49:12 GMT -6
Might be time for the Horizon to schedule a 4 year contract for a home/home challenge like the B10/ACC.
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Post by xtownfan on Mar 13, 2023 3:52:40 GMT -6
For us , if a Big East etc. wants to give us a 2-1, we should consider. Otherwise, 1-1 with top mid majors is the way. Publicly invite Marquette and Madison to start rolling home-and-home series just like they have with each other. Do it so often they have to publicly refuse, then you call them out for being chicken. Get some stones and start valuing the program as a higher level and we will be there eventually. You tried that already. It didn't work. Good luck building a program guys, but try and be a little more realistic. You are not getting a home-and-home series against Marquette or UW during the lifetime of anyone now living. And why would you expect to? These are two programs that draw more in a couple games than you do in a season. They do not have trouble scheduling, any more than any other high level program. They can always find a team of the caliber of UWM willing to play at their place for a paycheck, and in recent years, that would include most of the teams in D-1. All their games are nationally televised. Then there is the financial end of this, that you folks just do not seem to be able to grasp. A program that is making money with its home games is not going to give one away to UWM just because. Losing a home game for you may dilute interest in your program a little, but it probably actually saves you money. At Marquette and UW, that is a significant loss, and at Marquette, that is what pays for the entire athletic program. If either were to give up a home game, it would not be to the likes of UWM. Both teams play in conferences that play challenge series against other major conferences. So this year, Marquette played at Purdue and hosted Baylor. Which one of those do you suppose they would be willing to give up to give UWM a home game? Some years ago, your former AD turned down a multi-year deal with Marquette because "People need to appreciate the value of our program." That was a dumb statement then, and a dumber one now, when even the posters on this board complain that your conference is getting weaker by the year and is one of the least prestigious in the country. The first year of the Wojo era, Marquette hosted UWM in an exhibition for earthquake or hurricane relief or whatever it was. It was a chance for teams to play a scrimmage against live competition, get some publicity to promote their program, and get some points for being charitable. That opportunity came along suddenly, and the only programs that could pull it off were major ones, programs that had the resources - staff, facilities, fan base, etc - to put together a game in a hurry on the cheap. So most of the games were some major school hosting whoever was convenient, and Marquette invited UWM, and UWM happily accepted. Wojo even said some nice things about UWM's team, and you got some nice publicity out of it. Marquette organized the whole thing, hosted it on campus, and sold most of the tickets to its season ticket holders. All UWM had to do was get on a bus and then pose nicely when they handed a check to somebody. The reaction on this board? Outrage! One prominent poster, notorious for hating all things related to Marquette, shouted that you had been snookered! You should have gotten a better deal, like a multi-year deal with at least one game at your place. Others suggested that the game should be moved to the Arena rather than the Al, because Marquette played there years ago before most of its fans and all of its students and players were born. And since it was for charity, Marquette should pay for the rental of the arena. So imagine what would have happened if Marquette had called and the reply would have been, "Well, maybe. But we want you to play it on our home court, and we want a bunch of games, and we want a home game or two, and by the way, you'll have to pay to rent the Arena, which will probably cost more than the game could possibly generate." "The Marquette AD would have replied, "Let me get back to you on that," hung up the phone, and called any of a dozen teams that would have jumped at the opportunity. Green Bay, any of a bunch of teams in the Chicago area, like fellow Jesuit institution Loyola, or Northwestern, whose new coach like Wojo was a former Duke assistant, or UIC or Valpo or Northern Illinois or anybody really, because the people who were showing up didn't care who they were playing. Aside from maybe a couple dozen fans, UWM provided nothing but five warm bodies on the court. And that is what you folks do not seem to get. You do not bring anything to the table for UW amd Marquette. Even in years, infrequent of late, when Marquette might schedule a 2 or 4 for one deal with some mid-major in order to give one of their players a game in front of his hometown fans, UWM does not even provide that. Who needs another game in Milwaukee? Despite your talk about how many alums you have in the area, your fanbase is no more than a couple thousand on a good night, and most nights are not that good. Your program might have had a nice run in 2006, but that was a long time ago. Moreover, all the clamor and demands in the past resulted in not much for UWM except creating bad will. There was no way UWM was getting any kind of a game when Crean was the coach, because he hated Bruce Pearl (who you gotta admit is an easy guy to hate) for constantly hounding him about getting a game and bad mouthing Marquette to anybody who would listen. Rob Jeter wisely took a much softer approach. So you got a series, you got a home game, attended mostly by Marquette fans, despite efforts to keep them out, and a couple of forgettable games at the BC. Then Marquette asked to delay one of them for a year so they could schedule someone else, and the last game was never made up. And nobody noticed or cared. I get that it is tough to schedule games. I get that it means you have to accept deals that often look unfavorable. I get that life is unfair. I get that is sucks to be you. But that is your problem, and nobody else has a responsibility to fix it for you.
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Post by PantherNation on Mar 13, 2023 6:03:06 GMT -6
Publicly invite Marquette and Madison to start rolling home-and-home series just like they have with each other. Do it so often they have to publicly refuse, then you call them out for being chicken. Get some stones and start valuing the program as a higher level and we will be there eventually. You tried that already. It didn't work. Good luck building a program guys, but try and be a little more realistic. You are not getting a home-and-home series against Marquette or UW during the lifetime of anyone now living. And why would you expect to? These are two programs that draw more in a couple games than you do in a season. They do not have trouble scheduling, any more than any other high level program. They can always find a team of the caliber of UWM willing to play at their place for a paycheck, and in recent years, that would include most of the teams in D-1. All their games are nationally televised. Then there is the financial end of this, that you folks just do not seem to be able to grasp. A program that is making money with its home games is not going to give one away to UWM just because. Losing a home game for you may dilute interest in your program a little, but it probably actually saves you money. At Marquette and UWM, that is a significant loss, and at Marquette, that is what pays for the entire athletic program. If either were to give up a home game, it would not be to the likes of UWM. Both teams play in conferences that play challenge series against other major conferences. So this year, Marquette played at Purdue and hosted Baylor. Which one of those do you suppose they would be willing to give up to give UWM a home game? Some years ago, your former AD turned down a multi-year deal with Marquette because "People need to appreciate the value of our program." That was a dumb statement then, and a dumber one now, when even the posters on this board complain that your conference is getting weaker by the year and is one of the least prestigious in the country. The first year of the Wojo era, Marquette hosted UWM in an exhibition for earthquake or hurricane relief or whatever it was. It was a chance for teams to play a scrimmage against live competition, get some publicity to promote their program, and get some points for being charitable. That opportunity came along suddenly, and the only programs that could pull it off were major ones, programs that had the resources - staff, facilities, fan base, etc - to put together a game in a hurry on the cheap. So most of the games were some major school hosting whoever was convenient, and Marquette invited UWM, and UWM happily accepted. Wojo even said some nice things about UWM's team, and you got some nice publicity out of it. Marquette organized the whole thing, hosted it on campus, and sold most of the tickets to its season ticket holders. All UWM had to do was get on a bus and then pose nicely when they handed a check to somebody. The reaction on this board? Outrage! One prominent poster, notorious for hating all things related to Marquette, shouted that you had been snookered! You should have gotten a better deal, like a multi-year deal with at least one game at your place. Others suggested that the game should be moved to the Arena rather than the Al, because Marquette played there years ago before most of its fans and all of its students and players were born. And since it was for charity, Marquette should pay for the rental of the arena. So imagine what would have happened if Marquette had called and the reply would have been, "Well, maybe. But we want you to play it on our home court, and we want a bunch of games, and we want a home game or two, and by the way, you'll have to pay to rent the Arena, which will probably cost more than the game could possibly generate." "The Marquette AD would have replied, "Let me get back to you on that," hung up the phone, and called any of a dozen teams that would have jumped at the opportunity. Green Bay, any of a bunch of teams in the Chicago area, like fellow Jesuit institution Loyola, or Northwestern, whose new coach like Wojo was a former Duke assistant, or UIC or Valpo or Northern Illinois or anybody really, because the people who were showing up didn't care who they were playing. Aside from maybe a couple dozen fans, UWM provided nothing but five warm bodies on the court. And that is what you folks do not seem to get. You do not bring anything to the table for UW amd Marquette. Even in years, infrequent of late, when Marquette might schedule a 2 or 4 for one deal with some mid-major in order to give one of their players a game in front of his hometown fans, UWM does not even provide that. Who needs another game in Milwaukee? Despite your talk about how many alums you have in the area, your fanbase is no more than a couple thousand on a good night, and most nights are not that good. Your program might have had a nice run in 2006, but that was a long time ago. Moreover, all the clamor and demands in the past resulted in not much for UWM except creating bad will. There was no way UWM was getting any kind of a game when Crean was the coach, because he hated Bruce Pearl (who you gotta admit is an easy guy to hate) for constantly hounding him about getting a game and bad mouthing Marquette to anybody who would listen. Rob Jeter wisely took a much softer approach. So you got a series, you got a home game, attended mostly by Marquette fans, despite efforts to keep them out, and a couple of forgettable games at the BC. Then Marquette asked to delay one of them for a year so they could schedule someone else, and the last game was never made up. And nobody noticed or cared. I get that it is tough to schedule games. I get that it means you have to accept deals that often look unfavorable. I get that life is unfair. I get that is sucks to be you. But that is your problem, and nobody else has a responsibility to fix it for you. Well, look who’s back now that their team doesn’t suck for once. So glad that the big brother nobody asked for is here to tell us what we should do and how to think. We’ve missed your lengthy opinions on all things related to Milwaukee basketball.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 13, 2023 7:21:07 GMT -6
Publicly invite Marquette and Madison to start rolling home-and-home series just like they have with each other. Do it so often they have to publicly refuse, then you call them out for being chicken. Get some stones and start valuing the program as a higher level and we will be there eventually. Before getting into pissing matches with the big programs in the state, they need to value the program by publicly committing to not playing at the KC anymore. The Panthers aren’t anywhere close to having the ability to sh*t talk anyone right now.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2023 7:30:22 GMT -6
Publicly invite Marquette and Madison to start rolling home-and-home series just like they have with each other. Do it so often they have to publicly refuse, then you call them out for being chicken. Get some stones and start valuing the program as a higher level and we will be there eventually. Before getting into pissing matches with the big programs in the state, they need to value the program by publicly committing to not playing at the KC anymore. The Panthers aren’t anywhere close to having the ability to sh*t talk to anyone right now. When you play one-third of your games at the K, you don't really have a leg to stand on. Forget the home-and-homes. Just try to be respectable enough to get Marquette on the schedule ... or just focus on building the program.
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Mar 13, 2023 7:55:41 GMT -6
I know many of us would love to have UW/MU series again. I have always thought it was neat how the state of Iowa had its four D1 programs play each other each year. We could have a similar setup but we don’t.
I don’t blame either one of them for not wanting to play us. I completely understand it from a financial point of view. However, from a fan point of view it really sucks. I have a lot of family and friends that root for every combination of our in state teams. Going to a Panthers vs Badgers/Golden Eagles game with any of them would be a lot of fun. Again, the fan side of me hates how it has all played out. I actually thought the scrimmage a few years ago could’ve led to something but it didn’t. Bart hinted he would’ve played UW when they had a game cancelled but he had already sent our players home before a blizzard. I won’t be shocked if he tries to get something done.
Financially it makes sense, competitively both UW and MU have looked soft on this issue as MU dodged us in our best years and then were more than willing to play once those years turned into a rebuild. Meanwhile, UW played us every year for decades and then pretty much ran off after losing to us once…
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 13, 2023 8:24:41 GMT -6
I was actually enjoying Marquette's success this year, until xtownfan showed up.
f*** him.
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Post by DunneDeal on Mar 13, 2023 9:29:50 GMT -6
We don't have a leg to stand on yet.
honestly to play MU at Fiserv would be fine its a solid place to watch a game, it wouldnt be a sell out because it's Milwaukee but a nice check for us to come play and it close enough that MU gets a better chunk from "Away" fans.
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Post by xtownfan on Mar 13, 2023 10:44:20 GMT -6
I was actually enjoying Marquette's success this year, until xtownfan showed up. f*** him. Hey, hope you do. There is plenty of room on the bandwagon. As for UWM, I have nothing against your team personally. I argued that you were entitled to your most recent NCAA bid when you pulled of an upset in your conference tournament, even though the team wasn't very good. They should get the same break as anybody else. I congratulated you when swept Butler one year and hoped you would beat them in the HL final. I do not know any Marquette fans who have any objection in principal to playing UWM, and the argument that anybody is ducking you because they are afraid is just stupid. The 39-0 record gets mentioned here a lot, and it gets thrown around by Marquette fans, just because it gets UWM fans worked up, but honestly, nobody cares. UWM beat UW decades ago and it was no big deal to UW fans, and nobody suggested that they were going to lose recruits to UWM. Marquette has lost lots of games against teams it shouldn't, and nobody remembers. If they play often enough, UWM is bound to win one or two, and then everyone will go on with their lives. But the problem is the idea that you are entitled to be treated as an equal by Marquette and UWM. You're not. Those claims and demands do you way more harm than good. The particular poster who constantly has negative things to say about Marquette is well known, everybody knows who he is, and Marquette fans all think he is a tool, regardless of whether the court he is on is for basketball or otherwise. Nobody was ducking you when you were good. The fact is, UWM could have had a series against Marquette in your best years, but had turned down a contract, so those games were taken off the table years before you won anything. Right now, it seems your athletic department is such a big mess that it is hard to talk about anything, but assuming a little stabilty, you could as suggested above approach Marquette with a proposal to play at Fiserv. There is no reason why Marquette would duck UWM and prefer to play Radford or Long Island or Chicago State. OTOH, there is no reason Marquette fans care more about playing UWM than they do any of those teams. They are just schedule fillers. But you could probably work out a deal to play at Marquette every other year or something, and as the poster notes, bring some fans and collect a check. Surely better and more profitable than playing some D-2 opponent at home. What you guys just do not seem to grasp is the animosity that is created by demanding to be treated like a real traditional rival or an equal. You're not. When you combine that with all the insults and complaints about Marquette, you due a lot of damage to your own cause. If UWM was smart and wanted a game, the way to do it would be to have Bart talk about how much he loved his time at Marquette, how it contributed to his career, how he appreciates the tradition of the progam, how fans in Milwaukee love college basketball, yada yada, and then take any kind of deal he could get. You would have a OOC game that is better than most on your schedule. Saying that you should demand home-and-home games against Marquette and UW and then trying to embarass them into giving you one by claiming that they are afraid of you or just plain evil is the exactly wrong approach, and it is one you keep taking. Not a great way to build a program.
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Mar 13, 2023 10:54:55 GMT -6
In one post you stated Crean would never play Milwaukee because of his dislike for Pearl. Now in your last post you say a series was offered and we turned it down?
I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but which is it?
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