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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 7, 2023 5:05:16 GMT -6
I've now watched the highlights off our athletics website and as I suspected it was another occasion where the visiting team's bench showed markedly more energy than ours did. Short of our coach telling the guys that you need to care about your teammates engaged in battle, I don't know what to do. Is there more concern over who gets what than who wins the game? Perhaps this is one of the results of massive roster overhaul.
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Post by ghostofpbj on Feb 7, 2023 6:48:47 GMT -6
Still lost for words. Losing to Green Bay is like losing to a high school team. I am depressed
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Post by TBone on Feb 7, 2023 7:16:19 GMT -6
You can't compare the benches in this situation IMO. You have one of the worst teams in all of college hoops, they're in the game against an in-state rival that's competing for first place - and they're on the road. They're going to be far more hyped. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have players probably somewhat shocked, potentially feeling pressure the longer the game stayed close, and feeling like we've done this before and nothing to see here. If we're winning with no excitement on the bench, it doesn't matter.
This was one of the worst losses in program history. We had a team in the running for first place in the conference and we lost to the team KenPom had rated as second-worst in the nation, (they're now ranked third-worst) and we were at home. They just lost @ IUPUI by fifteen, and IUPUI is another candidate for worst in the nation. (ranked fourth-worst) They had ten people dressed according to the telecast, and they played eight, had foul trouble with multiple guys, and still eeked out an overtime win.
Many of the games we've played a poor half, coach has talked about us not defending well. Tonight we played two halves poorly, and we did not defend well in either half. Yeah, they hit some prayers, but they also had way too many good looks from three. They shoot 29% from three on the year, yet shot 38% on this night - and they weren't all prayers as most of them were open looks.
Davis is going to have a field day if we defend like this. After that, we have Oakland at home followed by a game at Youngstown State. This team needs to get their heads out of you-know-where if they want to compete and have a shot at winning any of the next three.
I'm beginning to fear we've peaked early and are now on the downside of our play. I hope they prove me wrong. We're also playing everyone for the second time now, and they seem to be making adjustments. Are we?
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 7, 2023 7:59:06 GMT -6
BJ hits a miracle three or EJ makes a free throw up by three, Panthers win. Yet, if that happens does the team learn anything? Since, the great win over YSU, the Panthers were terrible at WSU. Terrible defense in the 1st half at NKY. Look terrible at IUPUI. Since, they learned nothing from their effert at IUPUI and it carried over versus Green Bay. Let's hope this loss is a huge slap in the face for the team. (players and coaches) That slap in the face wouldn't feel the same if it would have been a 4 point win for the Panthers last night. The bottle has been tipped over.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 7, 2023 8:44:43 GMT -6
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Post by PantherU on Feb 7, 2023 8:56:08 GMT -6
I've now watched the highlights off our athletics website and as I suspected it was another occasion where the visiting team's bench showed markedly more energy than ours did. Short of our coach telling the guys that you need to care about your teammates engaged in battle, I don't know what to do. Is there more concern over who gets what than who wins the game? Perhaps this is one of the results of massive roster overhaul. I literally had a conversation with Dominic Ham about it last night. He seemed to be on board. We'll see if he gave a sh*t about what I had to say on Thursday. |
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 7, 2023 9:01:18 GMT -6
UWM slips up, upset in OT as UWGB wins its first game since Dec. 14
Todd Rosiak
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
What most expected to be a two-game breather for UW-Milwaukee in the midst of the Horizon League schedule turned out to be anything but.
After barely squeaking past last-place IUPUI on the road last week, the Panthers suffered a stunning setback in overtime to similarly moribund UW-Green Bay, 80-79, on Monday night at UW-Milwaukee Panther Arena.
The Phoenix, which entered 2-22, rode a pair of clutch shots from junior guard Davin Zeigler – a three-pointer with 1.3 seconds remaining in regulation to tie it and a long jumper with just under a second to play in overtime – to its first victory since Dec 10.
"It goes back to our edge, how I prepared them. We didn’t have the edge we usually have," said coach Bart Lundy after a lengthy and animated meeting with his players following the loss. "Maybe having IUPUI and Green Bay at this point in the season isn’t good for us.
"Nothing against those guys; Green Bay deserved to win this game. One thousand percent, they deserved to win it."
Green Bay hit 11 of its 16 three-pointers in the final 25 minutes, and none was bigger than Zeigler's from the top of the key and a few steps beyond the arc as time wound down in regulation.
The Panthers (16-8, 10-4) were in position to salt the game away not long before that following a three-point play by BJ Freeman (game-high 28 points) with 31 seconds remaining.
After the Phoenix missed a three on the other end, Freeman stole the ball out of the hands of Brock Heffner after he grabbed the offensive rebound and Elijah Jamison was fouled with 11.4 seconds on the clock.
But he missed the front end of the bonus, and UWM elected not to foul when Green Bay collected the rebound.
Then Zeigler made the Panthers pay.
"If it’s under 6 seconds I would generally foul," Lundy explained. "We have been very good at contesting threes so I’ve leaned on that with this group, and it’s worked for us not to foul. But I didn’t take the timeout when Elijah was on the free-throw line. I would only do it coming out of a timeout. I wouldn’t do it on the fly.
"Probably should have fouled. But he made a heck of a shot."
Green Bay interim coach Freddie Owens said he was surprised UWM didn't foul.
"I was actually trying to say to get one up quick or get a quick score because I thought they would," he said. "Fortunately for us they didn’t, and we were able to step up and get a clean look and knock it down."
Freeman scored UWM's first six points in overtime, with his layup giving the Panthers a 77-75 lead with 2:00 left.
A three by Randy Tucker gave the lead back to Green Bay at 78-77, then with 12.1 seconds remaining Jamison stepped up and hit a pair of free throws.
But again, the Phoenix had the answer as Zeigler (18 points) drained a long jumper from the left wing with 1.3 seconds left.
"He has an incredible ability to get his shot off against anybody," Owens said of Zeigler. "He’s quick-twitch, he’s fast and he can stop on a dime and get into his shot. It’s been an up-and-down year for him, and I’m so proud of that guy because he’s stuck through adversity."
A baseball pass from Kentrell Pullian made it to Freeman on the other end, but Freeman's three rimmed out and UWM dropped its first game to its in-state rival since Feb. 15, 2020.
"It’s the little things," Lundy said. "On the last play we got our matchups mixed up. Not that BJ couldn’t guard him, but it wasn’t his matchup.
"You get what you ask for."
Owens, meanwhile, couldn't have asked for anything more personally.
Named Green Bay's interim coach after Will Ryan was fired on Jan. 24, the former Wisconsin Badgers guard had this game circled on his calendar as a Milwaukee native and Milwaukee Washington graduate.
He estimated 60 of the program's 75 complimentary tickets for the game were distributed to his family and friends, who were treated to a big celebration at mid-court and several fist pumps by Owens in the aftermath.
"Words can’t describe it," he said. "Never in a million years did I think I would be coaching and getting my first win coaching Division I basketball back where it all started. Obviously hat’s off to Milwaukee – they’ve done a heck of a job getting this program turned around and they’re building something special here.
"But for our guys to be able to come in here and compete and walk out with a win, considering how the season’s been going and with the coaching change, it’s huge. I can’t thank those guys enough for how hard and how well they played."
Markeith Browning II had 15 points and a game-high 12 rebounds for UWM, while Green Bay converted 14 Panthers turnovers into 17 points on the other end.
UWM next hosts Detroit Mercy and scoring machine Antoine Davis on Thursday, then Oakland on Saturday.
"Hopefully this group can learn from it," Lundy said. "I think they would agree we’ve lost our edge over the last week and what took us so long to get out of the locker room is we talked about how do we get our edge back? It’s a game that pivots on a few plays and you need to be prepared to make those few plays.
"It’s got to start in practice. That’s where we lost it – in practice, our preparation. But that comes back to me. I’ve tiptoed around some things. We’ve been winning. Had a couple road games that were tough, we battled. But I’ve let our cracks open up, and it all comes back to me.
"I’ve got to get them back on point."
JS Online Comments:
Tim C: Team seems to be in a rut. Almost dropping to IUPUI then losing the UWGB is a scary sign as those two teams might be two of the worse in all of college basketball and that isn't an exaggeration. That was only GB's second win in conference with the other coming against IUPUI. IUPUI has one conference win vs UWGB.
Kenneth J: They all put their uniforms on the same way. You can NEVER take an opponent for granted, especially when you have a target on your back being in first place.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 7, 2023 9:03:55 GMT -6
+/-:
Best: Rand +9, Pullian +5
Worst: Thomas -8, Howell -8, Johnson -7
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 7, 2023 9:08:20 GMT -6
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Post by PantherNation on Feb 7, 2023 9:09:24 GMT -6
It’s been a LONG time since I’ve woken up this upset about a loss. Then I heard about the officer from the Milwaukee PD who was killed last night in the line of duty. Same age as me. Kind of puts things into perspective at least for me. Especially having a brother and sister in law who are both LEOs.
Did last night’s loss suck? Absolutely. But sometimes I have to remember it’s just a game. And if that’s my biggest issue this morning, I won’t take that for granted.
Sorry, not trying to be a downer. On a lighter note, being a Packers fan over the last several years has definitely toughened me up. You think a regular season loss to GB while we’re still in 2nd place will break me? Gonna have to do better than that!
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 7, 2023 9:09:52 GMT -6
I like how Lundy acknowledges any of the reasons for the loss starts and ends with him. He admitted that "we probably should have fouled" at the end of regulation. No defensiveness, just a drive to learn from mistakes and do better going forward. We have not had a coach do that since the glory years. Sometimes a loss like this snowballs and sends a season down the dumpster (we sure know about that). Sometimes a team does indeed learn and it pays off eventually. We will see how this goes, but I think we have the right coach for the latter scenario to play out. |
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Feb 7, 2023 9:53:57 GMT -6
Like Heffner didn't act like as much of a douche multiple times or other GB players didn't do seemingly the same thing?!? This L wasn't Rand's fault, or the refs (because it should of been an easy double digit W), but the refs sure as sh*t helped them out IMO. Honestly, if you, or anyone else is blaming the refs at all in this game you need to step back and reassess if you want to be an informed basketball fan or just a child having a temper tantrum. 100% the most casual fan opinion out there in basketball is constantly blaming refs let alone in a game where we played so incredibly poorly in just about every way imaginable and the coaching was just terrible. I hat eit. People who complain about refs in a game like this have zero credibility. You guys are freaking out about Rand getting a T, yet it's like none of you bothered to even watch the what actually happened, and if you do what he did you get a tech at EVERY LEVEL OF PLAY INCLUDING THE NBA. On top of that, the game was reffed very competently! There were not a bunch of egregious calls. Hell, literally we had so few fouls on us that we had the opportunity at the end of regulation with a foul to give and less than 10 secs left for them and we didn't do it.
Bottom line, we were lackadaisical and got embarrassed. Hopefully the players got humbled and a dose of reality. Cool you guys beat YSU and were tied for 1st in the Horizon and are a feel good story, but there's a longggg way to go. We're still just the solid JV player who's not yet cracked the varsity rotation. Also, the coaching staff should also feel the same way. Complete botch job by Lundy and the staff. Playing a lineup in the first half with 1 starter? Trying weird configurations with players we know aren't any good? It looked like the first few minutes of senior night in HS or an early season scrimmage with the crap Bart was throwing on the floor in the 1st half. Totally underestimated the opponent and thought we could toy with them and experiment. The insistence on full court pressure while they consistently used it against us to break down our D with free lanes to the rim, the not fouling thing is really, really bad IMO, as well as calling the timeout at the end of OT to let GB get a free TO when they had none. Learn from the mistakes and humiliation and get better. But I think it will be telling to see how the team responds. Do we come out motivated with something to prove and capitalize on that for a late season push? Or do we just get cooked on defense and tailspin the rest of the season?
I was a bit confused by Vincent was getting minutes in the first half. No disrespect to him or what he could be, but he had not played in a game in like 3 weeks. It seemed like early the staff was not treating this like a true HL game and that came back to bite us as GB had the energy for the rivalry throughout the game. |
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Post by kman24 on Feb 7, 2023 10:03:44 GMT -6
Honestly, if you, or anyone else is blaming the refs at all in this game you need to step back and reassess if you want to be an informed basketball fan or just a child having a temper tantrum. 100% the most casual fan opinion out there in basketball is constantly blaming refs let alone in a game where we played so incredibly poorly in just about every way imaginable and the coaching was just terrible. I hat eit. People who complain about refs in a game like this have zero credibility. You guys are freaking out about Rand getting a T, yet it's like none of you bothered to even watch the what actually happened, and if you do what he did you get a tech at EVERY LEVEL OF PLAY INCLUDING THE NBA. On top of that, the game was reffed very competently! There were not a bunch of egregious calls. Hell, literally we had so few fouls on us that we had the opportunity at the end of regulation with a foul to give and less than 10 secs left for them and we didn't do it.
Bottom line, we were lackadaisical and got embarrassed. Hopefully the players got humbled and a dose of reality. Cool you guys beat YSU and were tied for 1st in the Horizon and are a feel good story, but there's a longggg way to go. We're still just the solid JV player who's not yet cracked the varsity rotation. Also, the coaching staff should also feel the same way. Complete botch job by Lundy and the staff. Playing a lineup in the first half with 1 starter? Trying weird configurations with players we know aren't any good? It looked like the first few minutes of senior night in HS or an early season scrimmage with the crap Bart was throwing on the floor in the 1st half. Totally underestimated the opponent and thought we could toy with them and experiment. The insistence on full court pressure while they consistently used it against us to break down our D with free lanes to the rim, the not fouling thing is really, really bad IMO, as well as calling the timeout at the end of OT to let GB get a free TO when they had none. Learn from the mistakes and humiliation and get better. But I think it will be telling to see how the team responds. Do we come out motivated with something to prove and capitalize on that for a late season push? Or do we just get cooked on defense and tailspin the rest of the season?
I was a bit confused by Vincent was getting minutes in the first half. No disrespect to him or what he could be, but he had not played in a game in like 3 weeks. It seemed like early the staff was not treating this like a true HL game and that came back to bite us as GB had the energy for the rivalry throughout the game. I was surprised to see him in the game as well. Anyone know if he's been sick/injured or DNP-CD the last few weeks? I actually thought he did some nice things last night. Couple offensive rebounds and a putback in three minutes. I'd be fine with him getting more minutes, especially a night like last night where all our big men seemed lost. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 7, 2023 10:26:27 GMT -6
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 7, 2023 10:42:52 GMT -6
Let's go out and at least split the next two. Antoine is going to be a LOAD!!!
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