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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Feb 6, 2023 22:36:58 GMT -6
Everything that I was saying at the game and wanted to post has already been said. Disappointing loss, but that 4 for them wanted this game bad and although he did make some circus shots, he was a thorn in the Panthers side all night. I hope BJ and the guys did not do anything dumb after the game, as yes this is a HORRIBLE loss but everything is still in front of Milwaukee. Need to be at full strength and ready to guard Davis, who as we all know perennially cooks us.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 6, 2023 22:40:39 GMT -6
100%. This is only the most glaring of the uncountable number of coaching and execution gaffes tonight. Yup, and it’s not just the poor use of the rotation, play calling, etc. The team showed a huge lack of discipline tonight. Based on some ominous posts in this thread, it could continue into the next game. The Panthers are two shots from being 0-4 in their last 4 with two of the losses being to IUPUI and Green Bay. I think it’s clear that the team has regressed, and a lot of that is on the coaching. Sorry to say it, but there's been undeniable complacency since the Youngstown State win. This team hasn't proven mature enough to handle any measure of success. That's our reality. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 6, 2023 22:43:11 GMT -6
One other thing on my mental list for tonight: if Rand draws a T for dunking the ball after the whistle sounds, why isn't it a T when Ziegler motions for our courtside fans to sit down and shut up after his winning shot?
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Feb 6, 2023 22:43:32 GMT -6
Yup, and it’s not just the poor use of the rotation, play calling, etc. The team showed a huge lack of discipline tonight. Based on some ominous posts in this thread, it could continue into the next game. The Panthers are two shots from being 0-4 in their last 4 with two of the losses being to IUPUI and Green Bay. I think it’s clear that the team has regressed, and a lot of that is on the coaching. Sorry to say it, but there's been some undeniable complacency and falloff since the Youngstown State win. This team hasn't proven mature enough to handle any measure of success. That's our reality. And I suppose that can be expected from a team of mostly freshmen and seniors, and a team whose easiest player to intimidate is its top senior. But if they want to win this year, they have to mature fast. |
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Post by tyrunner0097 on Feb 6, 2023 22:53:45 GMT -6
One other thing on my mental list for tonight: if Rand draws a T for dunking the ball after the whistle sounds, why isn't it a T when Ziegler motions for our courtside fans to sit down and shut up after his winning shot? I was screaming for it, but the refs continue to be the cavalcade of f**k-ups that they are. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 6, 2023 22:55:22 GMT -6
One other thing on my mental list for tonight: if Rand draws a T for dunking the ball after the whistle sounds, why isn't it a T when Ziegler motions for our courtside fans to sit down and shut up after his winning shot? I was screaming for it, but the refs continue to be the cavalcade of f**k-ups that they are. Are those the same refs who booted you last month, Ty? That's the story making the rounds. |
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Post by Petes on Feb 6, 2023 22:58:13 GMT -6
The loss tonight was awful but let’s take a second to talk about why this loss happened instead of just talking about a singular play through the game.
GB hit a lot of 3s tonight which we normally don’t give up.
Guard play just hasn’t been up to par the last few weeks. KP is a great player but is too out of control and not a distributor at all. 5 assists in the last 4 games. EJ disappears for long stretches at a time. JT has been doing cardio since the Wright state game. 3 talented guards but none of them can control the offense or get to the hoop when we just need a bucket. Front court is challenged at the moment. Moses looked like old Moses tonight and can really only play 15-20 minutes if he’s right. Rand is all theatrics with no substance. Makes sense why he has hopped around schools. Lot of blocks but just as many dumb plays and no offense. JJ looks to be more lost every single game.
Too many times it comes down to BJ bailing us out and that can only be sustained for so long. Not sure if the answers are on this current roster for the deep run everyone wants.
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Post by chipanthers45 on Feb 6, 2023 23:03:50 GMT -6
One other thing on my mental list for tonight: if Rand draws a T for dunking the ball after the whistle sounds, why isn't it a T when Ziegler motions for our courtside fans to sit down and shut up after his winning shot? Yep, and GB players seemed to do the same if not worse than Rand multiple times after making big shots. Do I think these should be technical? Absolutely not. But if you're gonna call it once, you have to be consistent. We stunk, deserved to lose. But between the Rand T, the FT debacle and the non calls on GB players doing seemingly the same thing. HL refs definitely once again inserted themselves into a game and probably changed the outcome. Either way, pathetic performance out of the Panthers and especially Bart Lundy. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 6, 2023 23:06:15 GMT -6
One other thing on my mental list for tonight: if Rand draws a T for dunking the ball after the whistle sounds, why isn't it a T when Ziegler motions for our courtside fans to sit down and shut up after his winning shot? Yep, and GB players seemed to do the same if not worse than Rand multiple times after making big shots. Do I think these should be technical? Absolutely not. But if you're gonna call it once, you have to be consistent. We stunk, deserved to lose. But between the Rand T, the FT debacle and the non calls on GB players doing seemingly the same thing. HL refs definitely once again inserted themselves into a game and probably changed the outcome. Either way, pathetic performance out of the Panthers and especially Bart Lundy. In all seriousness, this one could put a capstone on the night. It's a Judge-level walkoff post. |
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Post by kylesingler on Feb 6, 2023 23:44:51 GMT -6
One other thing on my mental list for tonight: if Rand draws a T for dunking the ball after the whistle sounds, why isn't it a T when Ziegler motions for our courtside fans to sit down and shut up after his winning shot? I was screaming for it, but the refs continue to be the cavalcade of f**k-ups that they are. Cause they’re spineless |
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Post by kylesingler on Feb 7, 2023 0:04:55 GMT -6
This is where we see what type of coach Bart is. Can he keep the trust of his guys or will it spiral like it did for PBS.
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Post by nickpanther on Feb 7, 2023 0:06:27 GMT -6
i was at the game. it was one of those nights where Green Bay threw up stuff and it went in. see the banked 3 as the shot clock expired with 45 seconds left to tie it. he shoots that 10 times, he maybe makes one. in all honesty it should not have been this close. too many drives and attempts to showboat.. that end up missing. we kept shooting 3s down the stretch, when we had better success driving to the basket. our woes at the free throw line killed us, i think we missed 8 free throws in all and were under 60% from the line. make even a few of those and we're talking about escaping with a W. I would have fouled after the missed free throw with 11 seconds left. put them at the line worst case you're up 1 and then they play the 'chase, foul and hope you miss' gamne, which rarely works out for the team behind.
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Post by mattg on Feb 7, 2023 0:27:06 GMT -6
One other thing on my mental list for tonight: if Rand draws a T for dunking the ball after the whistle sounds, why isn't it a T when Ziegler motions for our courtside fans to sit down and shut up after his winning shot? If you watch the replay, its not the dunk that drew the T. Rand dunks the ball then immediately says something aggressively right in Heffner's face that makes Heffner, and the other 2 GB players right there make a face like "oh damn wtf" and the ref immediately comes in with T. 100% Rand was taunting like a moron and you just have to be smarter than that. |
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Post by chipanthers45 on Feb 7, 2023 0:48:57 GMT -6
One other thing on my mental list for tonight: if Rand draws a T for dunking the ball after the whistle sounds, why isn't it a T when Ziegler motions for our courtside fans to sit down and shut up after his winning shot? If you watch the replay, its not the dunk that drew the T. Rand dunks the ball then immediately says something aggressively right in Heffner's face that makes Heffner, and the other 2 GB players right there make a face like "oh damn wtf" and the ref immediately comes in with T. 100% Rand was taunting like a moron and you just have to be smarter than that. Like Heffner didn't act like as much of a douche multiple times or other GB players didn't do seemingly the same thing?!? This L wasn't Rand's fault, or the refs (because it should of been an easy double digit W), but the refs sure as sh*t helped them out IMO. |
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Post by mattg on Feb 7, 2023 1:28:38 GMT -6
If you watch the replay, its not the dunk that drew the T. Rand dunks the ball then immediately says something aggressively right in Heffner's face that makes Heffner, and the other 2 GB players right there make a face like "oh damn wtf" and the ref immediately comes in with T. 100% Rand was taunting like a moron and you just have to be smarter than that. Like Heffner didn't act like as much of a douche multiple times or other GB players didn't do seemingly the same thing?!? This L wasn't Rand's fault, or the refs (because it should of been an easy double digit W), but the refs sure as sh*t helped them out IMO. Honestly, if you, or anyone else is blaming the refs at all in this game you need to step back and reassess if you want to be an informed basketball fan or just a child having a temper tantrum. 100% the most casual fan opinion out there in basketball is constantly blaming refs let alone in a game where we played so incredibly poorly in just about every way imaginable and the coaching was just terrible. I hat eit. People who complain about refs in a game like this have zero credibility. You guys are freaking out about Rand getting a T, yet it's like none of you bothered to even watch the what actually happened, and if you do what he did you get a tech at EVERY LEVEL OF PLAY INCLUDING THE NBA. On top of that, the game was reffed very competently! There were not a bunch of egregious calls. Hell, literally we had so few fouls on us that we had the opportunity at the end of regulation with a foul to give and less than 10 secs left for them and we didn't do it.
Bottom line, we were lackadaisical and got embarrassed. Hopefully the players got humbled and a dose of reality. Cool you guys beat YSU and were tied for 1st in the Horizon and are a feel good story, but there's a longggg way to go. We're still just the solid JV player who's not yet cracked the varsity rotation. Also, the coaching staff should also feel the same way. Complete botch job by Lundy and the staff. Playing a lineup in the first half with 1 starter? Trying weird configurations with players we know aren't any good? It looked like the first few minutes of senior night in HS or an early season scrimmage with the crap Bart was throwing on the floor in the 1st half. Totally underestimated the opponent and thought we could toy with them and experiment. The insistence on full court pressure while they consistently used it against us to break down our D with free lanes to the rim, the not fouling thing is really, really bad IMO, as well as calling the timeout at the end of OT to let GB get a free TO when they had none. Learn from the mistakes and humiliation and get better. But I think it will be telling to see how the team responds. Do we come out motivated with something to prove and capitalize on that for a late season push? Or do we just get cooked on defense and tailspin the rest of the season?
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