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Post by BBFran on Jan 29, 2022 18:08:02 GMT -6
Looking at the bright side (haroldlee, buppie and Cactus alert) we can finally break the streak and secure our first winning season since 2016... by merely winning our next 10 games!
(Longest winning streak since the '15-'16 season: 3 games.)
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Post by PantherU on Jan 29, 2022 18:52:51 GMT -6
Jordan has achieved more in his head coaching career than Jeter. Just getting to coach at a high-major doesn't make you better. This is the kind of subliminal thinking about our program that has to f***ing end if we're ever going to get up there. We belong at the table just like Butler, Marquette and Wisconsin. |
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 29, 2022 18:56:16 GMT -6
Jordan has achieved more in his head coaching career than Jeter. Just getting to coach at a high-major doesn't make you better. This is the kind of subliminal thinking about our program that has to f***ing end if we're ever going to get up there. We belong at the table just like Butler, Marquette and Wisconsin. Then Rob Jeter was fully unacceptable. Middle of the road in the Horizon League doesn’t move you up. The only coach in Milwaukee history who would fit that build (based on his time here) is as crooked as any coach that NCAA basketball has seen in a long time. Maybe Bo Ryan if he had more than two years here. |
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Post by PantherU on Jan 29, 2022 19:16:51 GMT -6
And before you say that Milwaukee’s administration is much worse than Cleveland State’s, I feel the need to remind you that this is the same university that hired Dennis Felton only a few years prior. This, right here, is the most egregious error you've made, in that it proves everyone else's point. Dennis Gates was hired in July 2019. He was chosen by Scott Garrett, who was hired in April 2019. The knob who hired Dennis Felton, Mike Thomas, was shown the door as soon as it was clear he didn't have it. From when Scott Garrett fired Dennis Felton: We expect coaches to "operate with the expectation that they should build a culture supportive of our student-athletes in the classroom, accountable for their conduct as representatives of the University, and for their performance on the court." People, this ain't f***ing difficult. The program needs a reset. This does not, however, mean cleaning house. If your intent is to show people like Adam Schemm and Chris Zills the door, that's where you lose me. It's not as simple as showing everyone the door. Showing AB the door is simple. It's as simple as showing PBS the door. If anyone is interested in defending AB's job at this point, please speak up now. I want to hear the arguments. |
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Post by PantherU on Jan 29, 2022 19:17:35 GMT -6
Just getting to coach at a high-major doesn't make you better. This is the kind of subliminal thinking about our program that has to f***ing end if we're ever going to get up there. We belong at the table just like Butler, Marquette and Wisconsin. Then Rob Jeter was fully unacceptable. Middle of the road in the Horizon League doesn’t move you up. The only coach in Milwaukee history who would fit that build (based on his time here) is as crooked as any coach that NCAA basketball has seen in a long time. Maybe Bo Ryan if he had more than two years here. It takes a village that doesn't have an incompetent mayor. And for the five hundredth f***ing time: THIS ISN'T ABOUT ROB JETER. |
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 29, 2022 19:27:31 GMT -6
And before you say that Milwaukee’s administration is much worse than Cleveland State’s, I feel the need to remind you that this is the same university that hired Dennis Felton only a few years prior. This, right here, is the most egregious error you've made, in that it proves everyone else's point. Dennis Gates was hired in July 2019. He was chosen by Scott Garrett, who was hired in April 2019. The knob who hired Dennis Felton, Mike Thomas, was shown the door as soon as it was clear he didn't have it. From when Scott Garrett fired Dennis Felton: We expect coaches to "operate with the expectation that they should build a culture supportive of our student-athletes in the classroom, accountable for their conduct as representatives of the University, and for their performance on the court." People, this ain't f***ing difficult. The program needs a reset. [/ quote] Well then I learned something new today. I’m with everyone here in saying that PBS in unacceptable. I’m with pretty much everybody here when I say I want a new AD (though I think I differ from some people when I say Braun is probably at least better than Koonce and definitely better than Geiger). I just refuse to blame everything on Braun and/or Mone. And I still think we are one head coach away from being good again. |
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 29, 2022 19:37:28 GMT -6
Then Rob Jeter was fully unacceptable. Middle of the road in the Horizon League doesn’t move you up. The only coach in Milwaukee history who would fit that build (based on his time here) is as crooked as any coach that NCAA basketball has seen in a long time. Maybe Bo Ryan if he had more than two years here. It takes a village that doesn't have an incompetent mayor. And for the five hundredth f***ing time: THIS ISN'T ABOUT ROB JETER.Yes, you are right and I’m harping on this too much. My general point is that while PBS is a failure, I’m not convinced that even this athletic department can’t pick a good coach. |
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Post by gman2 on Jan 29, 2022 19:45:23 GMT -6
A guy she didn't hire? Do you mean the guy she tried to hire until Mone overruled her decision? I'm not defending AB and would like her gone. But the fact is she did try to make a good hiring decision but was overruled by Mone. So she is not alone is this debacle. Right, right. The useful myth of the awesome power of Lena Taylor over our athletic program. 🤣 AB had been our AD for almost three years. I don’t believe for a moment that she didn’t have the pull to make whatever hire she wanted if she was willing to stand up for it. But if she didn’t have that power that’s 100% because of her moronic decisions, horrific execution of them and disingenuous explanations for them of the previous two months. Where did I mention Lena Taylor? Unfortunately the Journal article mentioned in the Des Moine Register is no longer on the Journal web site. www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/basketball-mens/2016/04/12/wtmj-report-tj-otzelberger-wisconsin-milwaukee-coaching-search/82961460/Text of the article. T.J. Otzelberger can’t win for losing, as the saying goes, if a published report is correct — even in his hometown. The longtime Iowa State assistant basketball coach interviewed for the Cyclones' top job when Fred Hoiberg bolted to the Chicago Bulls last June — but lost out to Steve Prohm. Now, an exclusive report on Milwaukee radio station WTMJ’s website says Otzelberger interviewed on April 6 for the head coaching position at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, where Rob Jeter was recently fired. The report went on to say that Otzelberger was told he was the choice of athletic director Amanda Braun, and to plan on bringing his family to Milwaukee for the introductory press conference. However, on April 7, the school instead announced that LaVall Jordan got the position. Jordan was an assistant on former Iowa coach Todd Lickliter’s staff. Otzelberger could not be reached by The Register Tuesday evening for comment. The WTMJ report went on to say that university chancellor Mark Mone overruled Braun’s choice of Otzelberger. Otzelberger grew up in Milwaukee and attended the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. Otzelberger also has been linked to the head coaching position at South Dakota State University. Tuesday, ESPN college basketball reporter Jeff Goodman reported that Otzelberger was one of four candidates interviewed. |
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Post by gman2 on Jan 29, 2022 19:48:59 GMT -6
Right, right. The useful myth of the awesome power of Lena Taylor over our athletic program. 🤣 AB had been our AD for almost three years. I don’t believe for a moment that she didn’t have the pull to make whatever hire she wanted if she was willing to stand up for it. But if she didn’t have that power that’s 100% because of her moronic decisions, horrific execution of them and disingenuous explanations for them of the previous two months. Where did I mention Lena Taylor? Unfortunately the Journal article mentioned in the Des Moine Register is no longer on the Journal web site. www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/basketball-mens/2016/04/12/wtmj-report-tj-otzelberger-wisconsin-milwaukee-coaching-search/82961460/Text of the article. T.J. Otzelberger can’t win for losing, as the saying goes, if a published report is correct — even in his hometown. The longtime Iowa State assistant basketball coach interviewed for the Cyclones' top job when Fred Hoiberg bolted to the Chicago Bulls last June — but lost out to Steve Prohm. Now, an exclusive report on Milwaukee radio station WTMJ’s website says Otzelberger interviewed on April 6 for the head coaching position at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, where Rob Jeter was recently fired. The report went on to say that Otzelberger was told he was the choice of athletic director Amanda Braun, and to plan on bringing his family to Milwaukee for the introductory press conference. However, on April 7, the school instead announced that LaVall Jordan got the position. Jordan was an assistant on former Iowa coach Todd Lickliter’s staff. Otzelberger could not be reached by The Register Tuesday evening for comment. The WTMJ report went on to say that university chancellor Mark Mone overruled Braun’s choice of Otzelberger. Otzelberger grew up in Milwaukee and attended the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. Otzelberger also has been linked to the head coaching position at South Dakota State University. Tuesday, ESPN college basketball reporter Jeff Goodman reported that Otzelberger was one of four candidates interviewed. I know you like to call it the Lena Taylor myth. I've already posted a link to the video with the Lena Taylor outburst at a press conference with Braun and Mone, debunking the myth. I can try to find that video again if you want. |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Jan 29, 2022 19:58:57 GMT -6
Lena Taylor accused Amanda Braun of racism in that press conference, leading directly to Mone's hiring of Lavall. That is no myth.
In fact, I think it scared Mone so much that I don't think we'll see a white male head coach at UWM as long as Mone is at the helm, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 29, 2022 20:03:22 GMT -6
Lena Taylor accused Amanda Braun of racism in that press conference, leading directly to Mone's hiring of Lavall. That is no myth. In fact, I think it scared Mone so much that I don't think we'll see a white male head coach at UWM as long as Mone is at the helm, but that's just my opinion. If I remember correctly, a lot of people accused her of racism, including people on this board. |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Jan 29, 2022 20:09:43 GMT -6
Lena Taylor accused Amanda Braun of racism in that press conference, leading directly to Mone's hiring of Lavall. That is no myth. In fact, I think it scared Mone so much that I don't think we'll see a white male head coach at UWM as long as Mone is at the helm, but that's just my opinion. If I remember correctly, a lot of people accused her of racism, including people on this board. I don't think you're wrong. I also didn't think Lena Taylor was in going after Braun at the time. |
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Post by Cactus Panther on Jan 29, 2022 20:58:59 GMT -6
Per the JS game report:
...Baldwin also indicated he's open to making other changes, if necessary. "I have to go to the tape and look at everything and how it all shakes out from the last two games," he said. "Nothing's off the table."
Nothing? Even your resignation?
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Post by BBFran on Jan 29, 2022 21:01:47 GMT -6
Thanks Jimmy. Exactly right. Rob isn’t ever coming back, so the six or eight great basketball minds of our age on this board who hilariously thought HE was the “problem” with Milwaukee basketball needn’t worry.
Time to clean house. New AD, new coach. Make sure they are qualified, good people and let them decide on the associated staffing.
And TJO was NEVER going to coach here. For pity’s sake people. The fantasy history of WHY he wasn’t is like listening to Kyrie lecture about the shape of the earth. “Beyond the edge, thar be dragons! And Lena Taylor!”
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Post by nickpanther on Jan 29, 2022 21:07:09 GMT -6
its a pretty apt description of where we are at as a program when a discussion thread about the game, basically never mentions the game itself. Then again, wec got our asses kicked (again) by a bad team (again). in other news water is wet, and the sky is blue
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