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Post by TBone on Jan 19, 2023 11:22:40 GMT -6
He is fine as a complementary piece. He is not fine as a lead player on a team. Good on him for his season thus far in Missouri. His departure was beneficial for both him and our program. In fairness, his role on that team wasn't supposed to be a lead player on the team. The lead player on the team could (or would) never play, for whatever reason, so Dre was somewhat forced into that role. And another "lead player" from those teams transferred the year prior. But I agree with the assessment that he wouldn't fit what the team under Coach Lundy is doing.
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Post by FTA1982 on Jan 19, 2023 11:28:04 GMT -6
I guess that is my point. He isn't a lead player. When "forced" into the lead player role, we saw the result.
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Post by Petes on Jan 19, 2023 11:34:07 GMT -6
He doesn't fit anything we do. He can't dribble, he isn't quick, and he doesn't shoot he 3 particularly well. His conditioning was always an issue as well. Lundy wants 3s and shots at the rim. His long 2 game doesnt translate at all to what he wants. You seem to have a relationship him in some fashion which is great. “Doesn’t fit” well he gets to the line more than anyone on Mizzou besides 1 player and more than anyone from Milwaukee. Has taken about the same # of shots and % as freeman at the rim this year. Only browning has taken shots at the rim more than gholston this year. (All info found on t rank)Career 34% 3pt shooter which is above average and a net positive for offenses. You may not like how he plays but as I showed he gets the rim as well as anyone we have while also being an above average shooter. You can use whatever language you want but I’ll come with stats to back up everything by I say.
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Post by TBone on Jan 19, 2023 17:57:20 GMT -6
I guess that is my point. He isn't a lead player. When "forced" into the lead player role, we saw the result. We saw the result with a horrible NCAA Division I coach.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 19, 2023 18:28:12 GMT -6
I guess that is my point. He isn't a lead player. When "forced" into the lead player role, we saw the result. We saw the result with a horrible NCAA Division I coach. Exactly. Gholston had to play within Pat Baldwin’s “system” and under his tutelage at Milwaukee. How many players came anywhere near approaching their full potential under Baldwin?
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Post by mattg on Jan 19, 2023 20:43:45 GMT -6
We saw the result with a horrible NCAA Division I coach. Exactly. Gholston had to play within Pat Baldwin’s “system” and under his tutelage at Milwaukee. How many players came anywhere near approaching their full potential under Baldwin? It can be both things. PBS was terrible obviously, just totally bad BUT I never watched Dre Gholston and ever came away with the impression of "wow this guy is showing a nice BBIQ" or "Dre has a good floor game" or "Dre is a good decision maker". He played like a total loser mentality chucker last season with us. BUT, credit to him, the change of scenery has done him very well and he's taken total advantage of the opportunity and played very well. I think it's one of those situations where him leaving was beneficial in both directions. He never would have got his sh*t together here, and we would prefer to give mins to young guys to develop going forward rather than someone who played like Dre did last season.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Jan 19, 2023 20:44:04 GMT -6
We saw the result with a horrible NCAA Division I coach. Exactly. Gholston had to play within Pat Baldwin’s “system” and under his tutelage at Milwaukee. How many players came anywhere near approaching their full potential under Baldwin? Zero. Including the fruit of his own loins. EVERYONE regressed.
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Post by tyrunner0097 on Jan 19, 2023 21:26:35 GMT -6
Exactly. Gholston had to play within Pat Baldwin’s “system” and under his tutelage at Milwaukee. How many players came anywhere near approaching their full potential under Baldwin? Zero. Including the fruit of his own loins. EVERYONE regressed. They regressed to where an AAU team could've beaten them. The MSOE game that year was the sign of what was to come.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 19, 2023 22:15:17 GMT -6
The only player I can think of off the top of my head who got appreciably better under Pat Baldwin was Moses Bol… but even he’s played a lot better this year.
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Post by FTA1982 on Jan 20, 2023 12:55:57 GMT -6
[/quote]“Doesn’t fit” well he gets to the line more than anyone on Mizzou besides 1 player and more than anyone from Milwaukee. Has taken about the same # of shots and % as freeman at the rim this year. Only browning has taken shots at the rim more than gholston this year. (All info found on t rank)Career 34% 3pt shooter which is above average and a net positive for offenses. You may not like how he plays but as I showed he gets the rim as well as anyone we have while also being an above average shooter. You can use whatever language you want but I’ll come with stats to back up everything by I say.[/quote]
I can cherry pick stats too in an inferior league not surrounded by other high major teammates.
In his 2022 HL season, he shot 43% at the rim (90 shots), 36% on other 2s (150 shots!!) and 32% from 3 (169 shots). His ORTG was a horrific 92 and EFG was 42.9. (All T Rank stats). While leading his team to a 10-22 record.
At this point, I guess we will agree to disagree.
This also doesnt include his 1 game suspension for conduct during the season.
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Post by mcdubbs on Feb 11, 2023 20:47:11 GMT -6
Gholston beats Tennessee at the buzzer! 2nd buzzer beating shot for the win for him this season.
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Post by ghostofpbj on Feb 11, 2023 20:56:16 GMT -6
Gholston beats Tennessee at the buzzer! 2nd buzzer beating shot for the win for him this season. That’s f***in awesome. Love Dre
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Post by Petes on Feb 11, 2023 21:41:30 GMT -6
“Couldn’t help the team” yall real quiet now
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Post by FTA1982 on Feb 11, 2023 22:25:18 GMT -6
We're 18-8. I'm not sweating it.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 11, 2023 22:31:43 GMT -6
We're 18-8. I'm not sweating it. Agreed. It's not as if we would be 20-4 with Dre. B.J. for one would see far less time. I'm happy for all parties involved.
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