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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Dec 8, 2022 13:53:53 GMT -6
I’ve said that it’s a shame that PBJ is Milwaukee’s first representative in the NBA, and I stand by that. I would be much happier seeing somebody who gave their all for the Panthers like Clay Tucker, Ed McCants, Josh Tucker, Anthony Hill, or Matt Tiby in the NBA than somebody whose career here seemed very half hearted. Having said that, he’s still a Panther and I want him to succeed in the NBA. I’m sure a lot of his ineffectiveness with Milwaukee last year was caused by his coach. As a late first round draft pick, no NBA team clearly sees him as a guaranteed success, but a solid franchise took a chance on him. Hopefully he succeeds. "Caused by his coach." You mean HIS OWN DAMN FATHER, and he let him do it! I've said from the beginning, if the kid was actually what he was built up to be, he would have been at Duke, Kansas, or wherever else. The jig was up as soon as he decided to come here. A lot of you still refuse to see that, and you channel your anger at me because I called B.S. from the get-go. That's fine, and thank you to Petes for calling out the b.s. as well.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Dec 8, 2022 14:38:35 GMT -6
I’m not saying he wasn’t a disappointment at Milwaukee. He was a major disappointment. And yes, his father was the coach. And his father was a terrible coach. A coach who very likely held his son to a different standard than the rest of the team. Yes, PBJ could have fought harder to play through some injuries. I’d imagine it’s much harder to do so when your coach is open to and perhaps telling you to sit than when your coach is encouraging you to tough out some general soreness. A good coach would have gotten so much more out of PBJ, so yes, I am blaming his coach a lot more than PBJ himself.
And yes, it was PBJ’s decision to play for his dad. It was a bad decision. I’m sure all of us can admit we made bad decisions at ages 17 and 18 with a tiny fraction of the pressure PBJ had on him. His final 3 choices were Duke, Milwaukee, and Georgetown. Two of those programs had/have unmitigated disasters of head coaches. Either PBJ was a poor judge of coaching or he was arrogant to the point where he didn’t think coaching would impact him much. He paid dearly for that decision. He got end of 1st round money and not lottery money. His dad (finally) got fired, and I’m sure that’s weighing on him too (even though we all know the firing was way overdue even before last season).
Again, he’s among the least favorite options to be Milwaukee’s first NBA player. But right now, he’s Milwaukee’s first and only NBA player. Much like I’m cheering for Daulton Varsho on the Diamondbacks, I’m cheering for PBJ on the Warriors.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Dec 8, 2022 16:17:47 GMT -6
I’m not saying he wasn’t a disappointment at Milwaukee. He was a major disappointment. And yes, his father was the coach. And his father was a terrible coach. A coach who very likely held his son to a different standard than the rest of the team. Yes, PBJ could have fought harder to play through some injuries. I’d imagine it’s much harder to do so when your coach is open to and perhaps telling you to sit than when your coach is encouraging you to tough out some general soreness. A good coach would have gotten so much more out of PBJ, so yes, I am blaming his coach a lot more than PBJ himself. And yes, it was PBJ’s decision to play for his dad. It was a bad decision. I’m sure all of us can admit we made bad decisions at ages 17 and 18 with a tiny fraction of the pressure PBJ had on him. His final 3 choices were Duke, Milwaukee, and Georgetown. Two of those programs had/have unmitigated disasters of head coaches. Either PBJ was a poor judge of coaching or he was arrogant to the point where he didn’t think coaching would impact him much. He paid dearly for that decision. He got end of 1st round money and not lottery money. His dad (finally) got fired, and I’m sure that’s weighing on him too (even though we all know the firing was way overdue even before last season). Again, he’s among the least favorite options to be Milwaukee’s first NBA player. But right now, he’s Milwaukee’s first and only NBA player. Much like I’m cheering for Daulton Varsho on the Diamondbacks, I’m cheering for PBJ on the Warriors. I'm not here to tell you who to cheer for DTP. You do what you want. I can't cheer for a fraud. At least you're doing it without sipping the Kool Aid, and that's fair.
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Post by TBone on Dec 8, 2022 16:39:20 GMT -6
I’ve said that it’s a shame that PBJ is Milwaukee’s first representative in the NBA, and I stand by that. I would be much happier seeing somebody who gave their all for the Panthers like Clay Tucker, Ed McCants, Josh Tucker, Anthony Hill, or Matt Tiby in the NBA than somebody whose career here seemed very half hearted. Having said that, he’s still a Panther and I want him to succeed in the NBA. I’m sure a lot of his ineffectiveness with Milwaukee last year was caused by his coach. As a late first round draft pick, no NBA team clearly sees him as a guaranteed success, but a solid franchise took a chance on him. Hopefully he succeeds. Von McDade was the next closest thing we've ever had to NBA talent here, and was actually drafted in the 2nd round by the Nets. (though he never played in the NBA) And I believe Mr. McDade still holds the school single-game scoring record at a measly 50 points vs the Illini. But I do agree with your assessment that PBJ's overall contributions at our school was helped in large part by his coach. His father likely told him your draft stock is sinking far faster with you playing than if we hold you out as "injured" so let's do the latter.
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Post by pantherfan21 on Dec 8, 2022 18:42:48 GMT -6
im also sure Petes knows more about ball than Warriors GM Bob Meyers. He's only drafted Klay Thomp, Draymond Green, Kevon Looney, Harrison Barnes, Jordan poole... Don’t forget top 2 pick James Wiseman or lottery picks moses moody and kuminga, damion Jones Jacob Evans we’re real great values to end the 1st round. PBJ did nothing positive for this team or school. Frankly he put us back a few years because now that we actually have a promising team no one wants to hear from us after wasting their time last year. Also he doesn’t need a PR team so you can get off your knees anytime you want. James wiseman has played 1 season due to injury, Kuminga and moody are in their 2nd years lol, didn't know you were supposed to be averaging 25 10 and 5 in your 2nd season. Once again, proving my point you know nothing about hoops.
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Post by Petes on Dec 8, 2022 19:32:30 GMT -6
Don’t forget top 2 pick James Wiseman or lottery picks moses moody and kuminga, damion Jones Jacob Evans we’re real great values to end the 1st round. PBJ did nothing positive for this team or school. Frankly he put us back a few years because now that we actually have a promising team no one wants to hear from us after wasting their time last year. Also he doesn’t need a PR team so you can get off your knees anytime you want. James wiseman has played 1 season due to injury, Kuminga and moody are in their 2nd years lol, didn't know you were supposed to be averaging 25 10 and 5 in your 2nd season. Once again, proving my point you know nothing about hoops. James wiseman is in his 3rd year as the #2 pick who is in the G league right now because he’s 1 of the worst defenders in the nba. Moody and Kuminga have both been negative players for the warriors. Drafting kuminga right before Wagner was a great pick right? How about moody right before sengun, Trey murphy and Tre Mann? I’ll go all day talking hoops bro so keep coming.
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Post by pantherfan21 on Dec 8, 2022 21:38:45 GMT -6
James wiseman has played 1 season due to injury, Kuminga and moody are in their 2nd years lol, didn't know you were supposed to be averaging 25 10 and 5 in your 2nd season. Once again, proving my point you know nothing about hoops. James wiseman is in his 3rd year as the #2 pick who is in the G league right now because he’s 1 of the worst defenders in the nba. Moody and Kuminga have both been negative players for the warriors. Drafting kuminga right before Wagner was a great pick right? How about moody right before sengun, Trey murphy and Tre Mann? I’ll go all day talking hoops bro so keep coming. As I said wiseman has played 1 full season, and also as I said kuminga and moody are in their 2nd years, yes keep coming you clearly still don't know anything about hoops. Was jimmy butler ass because he had a bad rookie season? How about Gary Payton, or John Stockton, or Kobe, the list can continue my guy.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 17, 2022 15:41:49 GMT -6
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Post by PantherNation on Dec 21, 2022 20:40:43 GMT -6
He’s so bad.
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Post by Petes on Jan 19, 2023 9:35:56 GMT -6
Gholston with 2 big shots down the stretch to beat 24 ranked Arkansas
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Post by FTA1982 on Jan 19, 2023 10:01:54 GMT -6
He is fine as a complementary piece. He is not fine as a lead player on a team. Good on him for his season thus far in Missouri. His departure was beneficial for both him and our program.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 19, 2023 10:07:48 GMT -6
He is fine as a complementary piece. He is not fine as a lead player on a team. Good on him for his season thus far in Missouri. His departure was beneficial for both him and our program. LOVE this post! Under PBS, he evolved into a VERY inefficient player.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Jan 19, 2023 10:24:39 GMT -6
Bruce Pearl always said his job was to put his players in position to succeed. A good coach like Dennis Gates knows how to do that
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Post by Petes on Jan 19, 2023 10:33:00 GMT -6
He is fine as a complementary piece. He is not fine as a lead player on a team. Good on him for his season thus far in Missouri. His departure was beneficial for both him and our program. 3rd in usage on the team for Missouri so that would put him into that lead role. If you think him leaving the program was be official for us that’s wild. He was 1 of the best players in the conference for us 2 years ago and had a rough one last year in a bad spot. He’s now averaging double digits in the SEC and looks great because he’s in a good situation. He’d be the best player on this team without a doubt.
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Post by FTA1982 on Jan 19, 2023 10:46:00 GMT -6
He doesn't fit anything we do. He can't dribble, he isn't quick, and he doesn't shoot he 3 particularly well. His conditioning was always an issue as well. Lundy wants 3s and shots at the rim. His long 2 game doesnt translate at all to what he wants.
You seem to have a relationship him in some fashion which is great.
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