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Post by chipanthers45 on Feb 6, 2021 16:26:32 GMT -6
Lucas is killing us sit his ass down playing terrible guys we in serious trouble we can’t recoup playing like this Coaching need to be accountable for this Lol, this team would be nowhere without Lucas. He's getting a lot of hate, and yes he hasn't been great. But his stats other than shooting a tad worse are nearly identical to last year when he was universally praised. There are others that have had an even larger drop off since last year and gotten nearly 0 flack on this board. The problem isn't any one guy, it's in in game coaching and the little things like rebounding and hustle. Criticize Te'jon's play but he's one of the few i've seen give his all every game. |
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Post by tonyt on Feb 6, 2021 16:28:45 GMT -6
Guys what’s next out played again got swept this weekend maybe they’ll listen to you guys? At this point I’m desperate any suggestions maybe I’m looking at things wrong? I’m second guessing myself now what can we do?
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Post by chipanthers45 on Feb 6, 2021 16:30:27 GMT -6
I haven’t been watching the game today (mercifully, from what I can tell), but I see three Panthers got technicals and two got ejected this afternoon. What an embarrassment. The lack of pride, class, respect, and discipline shown by this “team” the last two weekends has been an utter embarrassment. But have no fear... according to coach, we had a really good first half yesterday... by staying even with a middle of the road Horizon League team. What an absolute embarrassment. I guess I don’t remember his years with Milwaukee too well (except for one pretty good half against a ranked Utah team), but I’m not sure Ric Cobb would be a downgrade at this point. It wasn’t as bad as you are thinking it was. CJ and Brown got ejected for a technicality. They didn’t really do anything wrong. If the officials would have blown the whistle sooner on the tie up, it was all avoidable. Tejon deserved the T he got , but was just trying to have his guy’s back. The real story is that we failed to execute in the 2nd half again. This 100%. CJ and CBJ didn't really do anything and if Te'Jon didn't push the guy off that just went at Amir people would b**** about him being a bad teammate. He deserved it but i'm fine with that kind of technical. Maybe one day we'll be able to execute in the second half. |
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Post by tonyt on Feb 6, 2021 16:42:09 GMT -6
Lucas is killing us sit his ass down playing terrible guys we in serious trouble we can’t recoup playing like this Coaching need to be accountable for this Lol, this team would be nowhere without Lucas. He's getting a lot of hate, and yes he hasn't been great. But his stats other than shooting a tad worse are nearly identical to last year when he was universally praised. There are others that have had an even larger drop off since last year and gotten nearly 0 flack on this board. The problem isn't any one guy, it's in in game coaching and the little things like rebounding and hustle. Criticize Te'jon's play but he's one of the few i've seen give his all every game. Bro not true at all he has played terrible all season for the most part and still say he’s the leader but check the stat he easily leads the team in turnovers not passing the ball when the guy is open for the easy basket instead of making a hard shot for his own stats that’s not team ball that’s OWN ball you want win like that’s shooting bad threes when it’s unnecessary he’s a good player but it’s no I in TEAM!!!!!! Now look we fell in the standings again today also playing that way we going to lose next week. Guys remember WE just got swept number wise again this is losing season again we will be below 500 again which is sad fellas! |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 6, 2021 16:46:54 GMT -6
Scott Warras who calls the game on radio and espn3, who I think is a company man calls out CJ and Brown for leaving the bench.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 6, 2021 17:01:11 GMT -6
It wasn’t as bad as you are thinking it was. CJ and Brown got ejected for a technicality. They didn’t really do anything wrong. If the officials would have blown the whistle sooner on the tie up, it was all avoidable. Tejon deserved the T he got , but was just trying to have his guy’s back. The real story is that we failed to execute in the 2nd half again. This 100%. CJ and CBJ didn't really do anything and if Te'Jon didn't push the guy off that just went at Amir people would b**** about him being a bad teammate. He deserved it but i'm fine with that kind of technical. Maybe one day we'll be able to execute in the second half. I'm surprised Lucas didn't get kick out of the game. He was never in that play. To run and push a guy in the back. I'm surprised someone didn't pop him in the face for that move. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 17:07:11 GMT -6
I'm caught between the Lucas haters and the Lucas apologists on the board.
Te'Jon is a very good (maybe great) player. But he lost me as a fan when he suggested something on Twitter to the effect that he essentially was carrying the entire Panther team this season. That's when I had to unfollow all people in the program on social media. I realize not everyone rows together. But putting "I" over team is a surefire way to remain right at the bottom of the standings for years to come.
We need winners who don't look down on their teammates.
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Post by chipanthers45 on Feb 6, 2021 17:11:29 GMT -6
Lol, this team would be nowhere without Lucas. He's getting a lot of hate, and yes he hasn't been great. But his stats other than shooting a tad worse are nearly identical to last year when he was universally praised. There are others that have had an even larger drop off since last year and gotten nearly 0 flack on this board. The problem isn't any one guy, it's in in game coaching and the little things like rebounding and hustle. Criticize Te'jon's play but he's one of the few i've seen give his all every game. Bro not true at all he has played terrible all season for the most part and still say he’s the leader but check the stat he easily leads the team in turnovers not passing the ball when the guy is open for the easy basket instead of making a hard shot for his own stats that’s not team ball that’s OWN ball you want win like that’s shooting bad threes when it’s unnecessary he’s a good player but it’s no I in TEAM!!!!!! Now look we fell in the standings again today also playing that way we going to lose next week. Guys remember WE just got swept number wise again this is losing season again we will be below 500 again which is sad fellas! Te'Jon this year 30.1 mpg, 15 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5.5 apg, 36.7% from the field and averages 3.6 turnovers a game. Te'jon last year, 33.4 mpg, 14.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 5.1 apg, 42.5% from the field and 3.2 turnovers a game. I'm sorry but the stats say you are in fact wrong. Ragging on a guy for leading the team in turnovers when a guy is the primary ball handler is dumb. Doesn't pass? Leading the team in assist by a lot would say otherwise. He also leads the team in rebounds and is the shortest player on the roster. And it's not like anybody besides him and Gholston have proven this year they can produce at a high clip on a relatively consistent basis anyway (I think Simms would be in that group if he could stay healthy though). I don't mean to sound like a bias Te'Jon stan, but the slander he's getting is just wild to me, he's being vilified by some and made to look like the main problem with this team and that's not the case. |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Feb 6, 2021 17:14:38 GMT -6
It wasn’t as bad as you are thinking it was. CJ and Brown got ejected for a technicality. They didn’t really do anything wrong. If the officials would have blown the whistle sooner on the tie up, it was all avoidable. Tejon deserved the T he got , but was just trying to have his guy’s back. The real story is that we failed to execute in the 2nd half again. Fair enough... I saw CJ and Courtney Brown were ejected for leaving the bench, so maybe they just made boneheaded moves instead of malicious ones. And we all make boneheaded moves sometimes. Still, the “star” player on this team had a deserved technical today and likely took a cheap shot at a player last week... and he’s still playing more than anyone. I honestly can’t remember a similar situation where a player should have been disciplined by the program for behavior on the court. But trying to compare the alleged discipline for skipping a pointless Christmas Day meeting and for taking cheap shots in a game... its embarrassing to say this guy is our coach even if we don’t consider his pathetic record. I know we’re stuck with him next year, and I can deal with that if it means we get someone new the following year. Pat Baldwin has had 4 years and his best success has been with Lavall Jordan’s and Rob Jeter’s players. Compare that to Dennis Gates at Cleveland State who took over a program in absolute shambles a year and a half ago and has them competing for the league championship this year. I understand that not every coach can be Dennis Gates, but this “team” has been getting more embarrassing from year to year under Baldwin. Here here, DTP!!! Swinging in on a chandelier spouting the truth! Dennis Gates has completely lapped Baldwin in roughly a season and a half, and that program was a total shambles! |
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Post by chipanthers45 on Feb 6, 2021 17:15:07 GMT -6
I'm caught between the Lucas haters and the Lucas apologists on the board. Te'Jon is a very good (maybe great) player. But he lost me as a fan when he suggested something on Twitter to the effect that he essentially was carrying the entire Panther team this season. That's when I had to unfollow all people in the program on social media. I realize not everyone rows together. But putting "I" over team is a surefire way to remain right at the bottom of the standings for years to come. We need winners who don't look down on their teammates. When was this? Don't pay that much attention on twitter but don't recall seeing that, if so that's a sh*tty thing to do and would change my mind a bit on him as a teammate, but still not that he's the problem with this team. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 6, 2021 17:19:45 GMT -6
Is Lucas the Lone problem for the team? NO.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 6, 2021 17:20:05 GMT -6
It wasn’t as bad as you are thinking it was. CJ and Brown got ejected for a technicality. They didn’t really do anything wrong. If the officials would have blown the whistle sooner on the tie up, it was all avoidable. Tejon deserved the T he got , but was just trying to have his guy’s back. The real story is that we failed to execute in the 2nd half again. Fair enough... I saw CJ and Courtney Brown were ejected for leaving the bench, so maybe they just made boneheaded moves instead of malicious ones. And we all make boneheaded moves sometimes. Still, the “star” player on this team had a deserved technical today and likely took a cheap shot at a player last week... and he’s still playing more than anyone. I honestly can’t remember a similar situation where a player should have been disciplined by the program for behavior on the court. But trying to compare the alleged discipline for skipping a pointless Christmas Day meeting and for taking cheap shots in a game... its embarrassing to say this guy is our coach even if we don’t consider his pathetic record. I know we’re stuck with him next year, and I can deal with that if it means we get someone new the following year. Pat Baldwin has had 4 years and his best success has been with Lavall Jordan’s and Rob Jeter’s players. Compare that to Dennis Gates at Cleveland State who took over a program in absolute shambles a year and a half ago and has them competing for the league championship this year. I understand that not every coach can be Dennis Gates, but this “team” has been getting more embarrassing from year to year under Baldwin. Winner! Winner! |
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Post by tonyt on Feb 6, 2021 18:15:55 GMT -6
Bro not true at all he has played terrible all season for the most part and still say he’s the leader but check the stat he easily leads the team in turnovers not passing the ball when the guy is open for the easy basket instead of making a hard shot for his own stats that’s not team ball that’s OWN ball you want win like that’s shooting bad threes when it’s unnecessary he’s a good player but it’s no I in TEAM!!!!!! Now look we fell in the standings again today also playing that way we going to lose next week. Guys remember WE just got swept number wise again this is losing season again we will be below 500 again which is sad fellas! Te'Jon this year 30.1 mpg, 15 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5.5 apg, 36.7% from the field and averages 3.6 turnovers a game. Te'jon last year, 33.4 mpg, 14.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 5.1 apg, 42.5% from the field and 3.2 turnovers a game. I'm sorry but the stats say you are in fact wrong. Ragging on a guy for leading the team in turnovers when a guy is the primary ball handler is dumb. Doesn't pass? Leading the team in assist by a lot would say otherwise. He also leads the team in rebounds and is the shortest player on the roster. And it's not like anybody besides him and Gholston have proven this year they can produce at a high clip on a relatively consistent basis anyway (I think Simms would be in that group if he could stay healthy though). I don't mean to sound like a bias Te'Jon stan, but the slander he's getting is just wild to me, he's being vilified by some and made to look like the main problem with this team and that's not the case. those two players taking all the shots which is good but is bad when not giving other guys shots when they’re open and clearly not passing it to them for personal gain |
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Post by skrapheap on Feb 6, 2021 18:29:22 GMT -6
let's fire up the "trouble in paradise 2021" thread! Objection! Assumes paradise not in evidence. |
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Feb 6, 2021 18:40:55 GMT -6
I'm caught between the Lucas haters and the Lucas apologists on the board. Te'Jon is a very good (maybe great) player. But he lost me as a fan when he suggested something on Twitter to the effect that he essentially was carrying the entire Panther team this season. That's when I had to unfollow all people in the program on social media. I realize not everyone rows together. But putting "I" over team is a surefire way to remain right at the bottom of the standings for years to come. We need winners who don't look down on their teammates. I didn’t see that, but given what’s been said on the board, this doesn’t surprise me. Compare this kind of comment to Matt Tiby talking about Jordan Aaron as his good friend and best player on the team... it explains why the 2014 team had success and even a tournament run and why this team is not approaching that. |
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