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Post by PantherU on Nov 20, 2017 15:55:14 GMT -6
Admittedly, I don't know much about contracts between schools for games. I'm more of just a casual observer of basketball. That being said, what incentive is there for UW or MU or any other high major school to play us at our place? I don't see a reason why they would agree to come to our place and risk a loss. If we don't accept a buy game at UW or an unbalanced series, then we won't play them at all. Instead we would have another D2 or low major or other unkown opponent, which in my view is not good for our program either. Even if the deal is lopsided, I'd rather at least play games against big schools and at least have a chance to beat them once in a while. Shaun, we do not exist to serve Wisconsin and Marquette. We exist to service ourselves - ZING! If they are unwilling to play at the Arena - and Gard is on the record saying as much for UW - then we should not play them at all. We can get a buy game from someone else; hell, Iowa State paid us $5k more AND 12 hotel rooms for the night! |
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Post by PantherU on Nov 20, 2017 16:03:14 GMT -6
We need to, at a bare minimum, become the kings of the Horizon with an NIT or NCAA appearance most years if we don't want to get laughed off of that phone call. We have some very attractive qualities and could get there, but we probably need that practice facility and a bigger overall budget for things like recruiting and travel. The seed money for those things probably will have to partially come from buy games, although I agree taking those checks from UW or MU is not palatable. We are probably looking at a 10 year rebuild by the time all is said and done, maybe less if we can get some competent people running the AD. Until then raging against those schools for not giving us a home game is a pointless waste of energy. Here's the thing, man...I'm not raging at UW or MU. They have to look out for themselves. We need to look out for ourselves, but we can't do that when Amanda's asleep at the wheel, not paying a lick of attention to men's basketball. |
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Post by A Statement By SHAUN on Nov 20, 2017 21:14:20 GMT -6
Admittedly, I don't know much about contracts between schools for games. I'm more of just a casual observer of basketball. That being said, what incentive is there for UW or MU or any other high major school to play us at our place? I don't see a reason why they would agree to come to our place and risk a loss. If we don't accept a buy game at UW or an unbalanced series, then we won't play them at all. Instead we would have another D2 or low major or other unkown opponent, which in my view is not good for our program either. Even if the deal is lopsided, I'd rather at least play games against big schools and at least have a chance to beat them once in a while. Shaun, we do not exist to serve Wisconsin and Marquette. We exist to service ourselves - ZING! If they are unwilling to play at the Arena - and Gard is on the record saying as much for UW - then we should not play them at all. We can get a buy game from someone else; hell, Iowa State paid us $5k more AND 12 hotel rooms for the night! When did I say we should serve UW or Marquette instead of ourselves? That came from you, not me. I was simply pointing out that we don't have any way to bargain with them, or any other high major school. If we want to play them, it is on their terms, not ours. If we want even series, then we don't play at all. Speaking of Iowa State- it sounds like you are OK with playing that game but not against Madison, even though the deal for each game is similar. Are we "serving" Madison but not Iowa St? |
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Post by Pantherholic on Nov 20, 2017 21:31:55 GMT -6
If they are unwilling to play at the Arena - and Gard is on the record saying as much for UW - then we should not play them at all. We can get a buy game from someone else; hell, Iowa State paid us $5k more AND 12 hotel rooms for the night! Why would Bucky offer hotel rooms for a 90 minute drive? |
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Nov 21, 2017 15:34:07 GMT -6
If you want to talk crap about Amanda, and the sh*t deals we make in scheduling long term can you make a new thread and lets keep this for discussion about the actual game. Im getting really tired of the the same hijack every single thread. Make a thread called Fans that hate Amanda, and let everything be aired there. I'd rather not search through multiple posts to actually talk about a game. Well, Dunne, you may be one of about 50 total people in the universe who care about the outcome of games, or care to discuss them at all. Given that UW-Milwaukee (hyphen again required after losing at home to a Concordia school) cannot draw north of 1,000 people with FREE BEER, who do you think you are going to discuss games with? The three posters on this board who comment? Face the facts. After the constant craptacular hires, culminating with Queen Amanda the First, almost no one could care less anymore about "the program". I have said it before, and I will say it again, I could care less if they shut the whole f*ck story dumpster fire down tomorrow. I would not bat an eye or shed a tear. If you want people like me back, fire that ass clown and clean house. Hire an ACTUAL AD, and beg for a second chance. Otherwise, I invite you to have intercourse with yourself at your earliest convenience. And as for you....well....start your own thread with "game discussion only" and enjoy the three way conversation you will have....if you even get to three. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 21, 2017 16:19:58 GMT -6
Not really sure what your beef is. Your picking on folks who actually want to talk about basketball? You say you don't care, fine. Everyone has a choice to make. Then if you don't care, why are you here? Take the power you think you have to Mone if you can find him under his deck.
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Post by FTA1982 on Nov 21, 2017 19:08:03 GMT -6
If you want to talk crap about Amanda, and the sh*t deals we make in scheduling long term can you make a new thread and lets keep this for discussion about the actual game. Im getting really tired of the the same hijack every single thread. Make a thread called Fans that hate Amanda, and let everything be aired there. I'd rather not search through multiple posts to actually talk about a game. Well, Dunne, you may be one of about 50 total people in the universe who care about the outcome of games, or care to discuss them at all. Given that UW-Milwaukee (hyphen again required after losing at home to a Concordia school) cannot draw north of 1,000 people with FREE BEER, who do you think you are going to discuss games with? The three posters on this board who comment? Face the facts. After the constant craptacular hires, culminating with Queen Amanda the First, almost no one could care less anymore about "the program". I have said it before, and I will say it again, I could care less if they shut the whole f*ck story dumpster fire down tomorrow. I would not bat an eye or shed a tear. If you want people like me back, fire that ass clown and clean house. Hire an ACTUAL AD, and beg for a second chance. Otherwise, I invite you to have intercourse with yourself at your earliest convenience. And as for you....well....start your own thread with "game discussion only" and enjoy the three way conversation you will have....if you even get to three. Dunne is one of the most devoted fans we got. Travels to road games, has season tickets, uses twitter to tweet about games. He's the last guy you should be telling to go "eff himself". Quite the class act you are. If you don't care, just go away. |
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Post by DunneDeal on Nov 21, 2017 19:29:23 GMT -6
Hey, I've been 1 of 2 students, in the student section when we went 9-22, I dont mind being 1 of 50 talking about the game.
I'll just say this. If you dont like the program, walk away, never comeback, take your money and influences and roll out, and dont come back. Who wants people like you around anyway, the board was fine when you rolled out before, it will be fine when you roll out again.
I dont like Amanda, I dont like the administration at UWM both are piss poor, but I care about the logo, I care about the team and the kids that play for that team. Also I really like college basketball, so yea, I've created a thread to talk about the game, and hope going forward, people who want to chat about the games will join.
Thanks.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 21, 2017 19:37:29 GMT -6
I LOVE the passion on here! How can that be funneled to the university community? What can we do collectively to create change? Who will throw us a lifeline?
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 21, 2017 19:54:29 GMT -6
I dont like Amanda, I dont like the administration at UWM both are piss poor, but I care about the logo, I care about the team and the kids that play for that team. Also I really like college basketball Many folks still don't understand that, in what you wrote! They just want to spread their cancer to others. I'm not turning my back on the kids. Again, everyone has a choice to make. Everyone has different reasons for something. |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Nov 21, 2017 21:31:16 GMT -6
If you want to talk crap about Amanda, and the sh*t deals we make in scheduling long term can you make a new thread and lets keep this for discussion about the actual game. Im getting really tired of the the same hijack every single thread. Make a thread called Fans that hate Amanda, and let everything be aired there. I'd rather not search through multiple posts to actually talk about a game. Well, Dunne, you may be one of about 50 total people in the universe who care about the outcome of games, or care to discuss them at all. Given that UW-Milwaukee (hyphen again required after losing at home to a Concordia school) cannot draw north of 1,000 people with FREE BEER, who do you think you are going to discuss games with? The three posters on this board who comment? Face the facts. After the constant craptacular hires, culminating with Queen Amanda the First, almost no one could care less anymore about "the program". I have said it before, and I will say it again, I could care less if they shut the whole f*ck story dumpster fire down tomorrow. I would not bat an eye or shed a tear. If you want people like me back, fire that ass clown and clean house. Hire an ACTUAL AD, and beg for a second chance. Otherwise, I invite you to have intercourse with yourself at your earliest convenience. And as for you....well....start your own thread with "game discussion only" and enjoy the three way conversation you will have....if you even get to three. I would love to know what, in your alleged infinitely high wisdom, you stand to gain in your crusade against Snagglepuss by telling Tommy Dunne to go f*** himself? How does that help move the process along? I've seen your spiel on the forums ad nauseum over the past year and a half, have heard it in person at Goolsby's, and have agreed with 99.5% of your arguments. Still do. However, if you don't care about "the program" or whether it exists, and do not want to actually talk about basketball, I'll be damned if I'm going to sit by and have you attack a friend of mine because GOD FORBID he wants to. That's B.S. NightHawk, and you damn well know it. |
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Nov 22, 2017 7:36:21 GMT -6
Well, Dunne, you may be one of about 50 total people in the universe who care about the outcome of games, or care to discuss them at all. Given that UW-Milwaukee (hyphen again required after losing at home to a Concordia school) cannot draw north of 1,000 people with FREE BEER, who do you think you are going to discuss games with? The three posters on this board who comment? Face the facts. After the constant craptacular hires, culminating with Queen Amanda the First, almost no one could care less anymore about "the program". I have said it before, and I will say it again, I could care less if they shut the whole f*ck story dumpster fire down tomorrow. I would not bat an eye or shed a tear. If you want people like me back, fire that ass clown and clean house. Hire an ACTUAL AD, and beg for a second chance. Otherwise, I invite you to have intercourse with yourself at your earliest convenience. And as for you....well....start your own thread with "game discussion only" and enjoy the three way conversation you will have....if you even get to three. I would love to know what, in your alleged infinitely high wisdom, you stand to gain in your crusade against Snagglepuss by telling Tommy Dunne to go f*** himself? How does that help move the process along? I've seen your spiel on the forums ad nauseum over the past year and a half, have heard it in person at Goolsby's, and have agreed with 99.5% of your arguments. Still do. However, if you don't care about "the program" or whether it exists, and do not want to actually talk about basketball, I'll be damned if I'm going to sit by and have you attack a friend of mine because GOD FORBID he wants to. That's B.S. NightHawk, and you damn well know it. Dunne lobbed the first volley at a very good friend of mine (and an even bigger fan of the program than even him). I merely returned the favor. Dunne is under the impression that he get's to decide the purpose of a thread he didn't start, and can insult people who are unwilling to roll over and take it like some here seem to be. As for my invitation, that was not directed at him, personally, but at the program itself, and Lady Amanda the F*cktard. If that was poorly conveyed, then I apologize. That's on me. I am sorry if Dunne took that as directed at him. The "I really didn't like the Nazi's, but what could I do? I still loved my country and supported it" argument didn't work then, and it really doesn't work now. (Note: that was a point of historical comparison, not an attempt to call anyone here, or anywhere else, a Nazi.) You cannot support the program without tacitly supporting her. Until she is gone, none of us should spend a single minute in the seats. Nothing else seems to have gotten the attention of the administration, so that is the only thing we have left. |
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Post by PantherU on Nov 24, 2017 9:22:45 GMT -6
When did I say we should serve UW or Marquette instead of ourselves? That came from you, not me. I was simply pointing out that we don't have any way to bargain with them, or any other high major school. If we want to play them, it is on their terms, not ours. If we want even series, then we don't play at all. Speaking of Iowa State- it sounds like you are OK with playing that game but not against Madison, even though the deal for each game is similar. Are we "serving" Madison but not Iowa St? 1. For the first time in over 20 years, Milwaukee actually had a chip in negotiating. We have the last win. Once we finished 10th in the conference last year, Bucky was tripping over himself to get this game scheduled. You know how I know this? The Badger contract was sent to Milwaukee on January 23rd. They couldn't wait to get the ball back on their court. 2. You know as well as I do that a loss at Iowa State doesn't register on with basketball fans in this state. A loss to Wisconsin does. Of course, the payoff for beating Wisconsin is a lot bigger than it is for beating Iowa State, but you know that Bucky's going to be coming out swinging tonight. Long story short, if we're going to get paid to take an 'L' - which is what the wide, wide, wide majority of guarantee games are - then let's take those games outside the state. |
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Post by PantherU on Nov 24, 2017 15:03:30 GMT -6
If they are unwilling to play at the Arena - and Gard is on the record saying as much for UW - then we should not play them at all. We can get a buy game from someone else; hell, Iowa State paid us $5k more AND 12 hotel rooms for the night! Why would Bucky offer hotel rooms for a 90 minute drive? My point is that we don't have to play Bucky to get guarantee games. We can get them elsewhere, and they pay similar or better. |
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Post by steveyodered on Nov 25, 2017 11:08:02 GMT -6
I know you have always taken the position that we should not play nearby teams that will beat us with actual fans in the stand watching. I guess that would be humiliating? Good lord this is some of the worst reading comprehension someone's had on this board in some time. I know this is a foreign concept to you but I don't care what Bucky or the Gold think of us. I don't care what the perceptions of the program are on State St & Wells St. The MU series has proven to be an impressive waste of time and continuing it changes what? Even if we win one, unless we go to the Big Dance, it'll still be an afterthought for everyone who's not a Panthers fan. Beating them or the Badgers is, and should always be, a sidebar to what our season is as a whole. If the Panthers win in Madison this Friday and go on to finish 7th in the conference and bounced in the first round of the tournament, it won't change perceptions in the least other than Gard possibly not wanting to play us in the near future. "But don't pretend these awful scheduling decisions and capitulations aren't continuing to degrade the program" yet you would accept a 4-1 from Marquette is laughably ironic. The only series that should understandably happen is Minnesota vs Marquette so they can fight over their inferiority complexes towards Wisconsin. But Fran does, he cares so deeply it drives him crazy. That's his problem. He is obsessed with Marquette. Do not try reason with him, he has none. This is part of his inner core. |
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