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Post by PantherU on Nov 18, 2017 13:14:38 GMT -6
Friday, November 24th
Milwaukee vs. Wisconsin
Location: Kohl Center
Radio: WISN 1130AM
TV: Big Ten Network
Buy game, $90,000 payout.
I put this up because I wanted the post I was making in the CSP thread to go where it's actually relevant.
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Post by PantherU on Nov 18, 2017 13:14:54 GMT -6
Note: Pardon me for the rant, but this went off the rails because I just received the game contracts for all the non-con gamesWho’s the genius who scheduled a 5:30 pm game the day after an 8 pm game? The same person who let the last coaching staff go ahead and schedule a buy game with Wisconsin. LaVall Jordan wasn't here long enough to understand the context of the Wisconsin series. I'm sure no one told him what we expect from a series. 4-for-1 was bad. 7-for-2 and a buy game wasn't much better. Now, Greg Gard and Wisconsin will never come back here. But they're getting the opportunity to hit us back for the 2015 loss and we don't even get a home game to show for it? The AD should be providing context for the coaching staff in setting up a contract. If the AD doesn't understand the history and jumps at the opportunity to make a quick buck ($90k for UW), that devalues the program and sets the team up to fail. Buy games should be limited; the men's basketball team shouldn't be taking likely losses (lol Iowa State) just for a paycheck to support the program. The program is devalued by sh*t like that. That's low-major crap. The attitude should be "You want a shot at us? Fine. Your place this year, our place next year." Obviously UW isn't going to agree to that, and insist upon only playing in Madison. If they don't move an inch, neither should we. Hang up the damn phone. I'd rather take a buy game from Northwestern than Wisconsin. The Wildcats are closer, and we don't have the history. The Panthers had an advantage in the series (winners of the last game) for the first time in decades. Wisconsin is playing this game so they can tag us back - and you can bet your ass those kids in Madison are going to play their asses off because they want the last game in the series to be a Bucky ass-whooping. Val didn't understand the context. That's fine. But Amanda should know, and even if she didn't she should have had a ton of people with institutional memory who could say "wait a second, we just beat them. Why are we taking this?" What happened to all those people? The mistakes didn't stop when LaVall Jordan came on campus. This person's unfit to lead. I don't know if her directive passed on to LaVall Jordan or Pat Baldwin, but Jeter was required to come up with something like 250k in money from guarantee games starting in 2014-15. That's why we played all those high-major road games, it wasn't because of the APR stuff. No AD required that, not Bud, Koonce, Costello or Geiger. Ryan and Pearl were never required to make cash from buy games. It's not that they never did, they just weren't required to get it. I sincerely hope Coach Baldwin isn't required to pull in a specific dollar amount of buy game money. Because buy games are what they are for a reason - the team paying wins at a far higher clip than most college basketball home games. Games like Iowa State don't happen often, which is why we savored it so much this week. Think about that fact, that home teams win buy games way more than regular games. In college basketball, the home team wins far more than any other sport, about 72% as of 5 years ago. It's why they put together the Black and Gold Shootout. We're getting a paycheck next Friday to take an L. Coach Jordan scheduled the game, but no one tried to stop that. Perhaps Braun was too giddy to get another 90k. Maybe she wasn't thinking about the value of the program and what it would mean to give in to Wisconsin's wishes of playing only in Madison from now on in the series; of course she wasn't thinking of the program's value when she suggested to the Jeter staff that they sign a road 2-for-1 with Eastern Michigan. It could be that she wasn't paying attention and just let it go because she was disinterested. But that game, next Friday in Madison, is one more in a long list of reasons why this athletic director needs to get out of town. Besides the fact that a single buy game against an in-state opponent is a bad idea, the fact of the matter is that restarting the Wisconsin series in 2017 (assuming they continue taking buy games in the future) is akin to restarting the Marquette series in 2007. Crean waited in the tall grass for the Panthers to fall apart, then all of a sudden he was more than willing to put together a series. I was a big fan of it back then; I remember celebrating with Michael Poll after the press conference at the Klotsche when Bud announced the series renewal. I was wrong as hell - guys like PantherHolic had it absolutely right back then, because in 2007 we were basically starting from scratch and had no chance in hell of beating MU. It's 2017, and we're starting from scratch for the second year in a row. Why in the hell would we agree to restart the series with Wisconsin, on their terms, when we're the reigning winners of the series and we have no real chance of beating them on their floor? We gave up a significant advantage in negotiation and bent over to let Bucky Badger have his way with us. A 4-for-1 should no longer be acceptable; taking a buy game, when we're down, with no shot at getting them on our floor? Absolutely awful. |
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Post by BBFran on Nov 18, 2017 17:52:02 GMT -6
Could be worse Jimmy. We could get cornered into playing an exhibition game against Marquette -- for nothing, in their practice gym -- that seals us as the equivalent of Marathon Oil or UW-Stout as far as local perception. Just another pre-season punching bag. And then we could get our brains beat out in that game by a Marquette team projected to finish 8th in the Big East. Same Marquette that dodged the last game in our series by asking if we would put it off for a year -- and never called back.
Naw, that would never happen.
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Post by Super King on Nov 18, 2017 20:58:26 GMT -6
UWM loses by 10-15 in a nationally televised game. Sounds fine to me. Might even win.
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Post by Pantherholic on Nov 18, 2017 21:26:36 GMT -6
Could be worse Jimmy. We could get cornered into playing an exhibition game against Marquette -- for nothing, in their practice gym -- that seals us as the equivalent of Marathon Oil or UW-Stout as far as local perception. Just another pre-season punching bag. And then we could get our brains beat out in that game by a Marquette team projected to finish 8th in the Big East. Same Marquette that dodged the last game in our series by asking if we would put it off for a year -- and never called back. Naw, that would never happen. Seriously, who would’ve thought an exhibition game would trigger Fran like this? Amanda’s broken him. |
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Post by davedome on Nov 18, 2017 22:29:04 GMT -6
I agree Jimmy, 100%. If it’s not going to be a annual respectable rivalry that switches Home courts every year (or plays on a neutral court), why in the world would we do it? If we’re only after a payday, get it somewhere else instead from a in-state rival, who is more successful and looks down on us.
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Post by BBFran on Nov 19, 2017 12:51:09 GMT -6
Could be worse Jimmy. We could get cornered into playing an exhibition game against Marquette -- for nothing, in their practice gym -- that seals us as the equivalent of Marathon Oil or UW-Stout as far as local perception. Just another pre-season punching bag. And then we could get our brains beat out in that game by a Marquette team projected to finish 8th in the Big East. Same Marquette that dodged the last game in our series by asking if we would put it off for a year -- and never called back. Naw, that would never happen. Seriously, who would’ve thought an exhibition game would trigger Fran like this? Amanda’s broken him. Don't be an idiot -- because I know you aren't. You can whistle past the graveyard all you want while neverending administrative incompetence hobbles this program. It won't help to ignore it, really. I know you have always taken the position that we should not play nearby teams that will beat us with actual fans in the stand watching. I guess that would be humiliating? But don't pretend these awful scheduling decisions and capitulations aren't continuing to degrade the program. Or maybe we should just change our name to "UW-Milwaukee Upstate" and go on a barnstorming buy game tour. Maybe we could balance the department budget! By the way -- I heard that there was a free t-shirt giveaway for the first 5,000 fans. Damn nice of Dave Gruber to sponsor an entire season's supply. Maybe it's better this way. If there's nobody in the place to watch, we needn't ever fear losing. Who will care? Last night's claimed attendance was, I kid you not, 1,313. I can only assume there's somebody in the department saying, "oh hell, just add a thousand; the JS doesn't care anyway." Who does? |
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Post by A Statement By SHAUN on Nov 19, 2017 13:15:52 GMT -6
Admittedly, I don't know much about contracts between schools for games. I'm more of just a casual observer of basketball. That being said, what incentive is there for UW or MU or any other high major school to play us at our place? I don't see a reason why they would agree to come to our place and risk a loss. If we don't accept a buy game at UW or an unbalanced series, then we won't play them at all. Instead we would have another D2 or low major or other unkown opponent, which in my view is not good for our program either. Even if the deal is lopsided, I'd rather at least play games against big schools and at least have a chance to beat them once in a while.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 19, 2017 13:39:36 GMT -6
Seriously, who would’ve thought an exhibition game would trigger Fran like this? Amanda’s broken him. Don't be an idiot -- because I know you aren't. You can whistle past the graveyard all you want while neverending administrative incompetence hobbles this program. It won't help to ignore it, really. I know you have always taken the position that we should not play nearby teams that will beat us with actual fans in the stand watching. I guess that would be humiliating? But don't pretend these awful scheduling decisions and capitulations aren't continuing to degrade the program. Or maybe we should just change our name to "UW-Milwaukee Upstate" and go on a barnstorming buy game tour. Maybe we could balance the department budget! By the way -- I heard that there was a free t-shirt giveaway for the first 5,000 fans. Damn nice of Dave Gruber to sponsor an entire season's supply. Maybe it's better this way. If there's nobody in the place to watch, we needn't ever fear losing. Who will care? Last night's claimed attendance was, I kid you not, 1,313. I can only assume there's somebody in the department saying, "oh hell, just add a thousand; the JS doesn't care anyway." Who does? I think that the game production on Friday night really took the cake. It made the organizers of the tournament in Sunrise, Fla. two years ago look like geniuses! Why quibble over on-court results when we're losing the most important battle of all in a landslide?!?! |
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Post by striker14 on Nov 19, 2017 18:51:21 GMT -6
We need to, at a bare minimum, become the kings of the Horizon with an NIT or NCAA appearance most years if we don't want to get laughed off of that phone call. We have some very attractive qualities and could get there, but we probably need that practice facility and a bigger overall budget for things like recruiting and travel. The seed money for those things probably will have to partially come from buy games, although I agree taking those checks from UW or MU is not palatable. We are probably looking at a 10 year rebuild by the time all is said and done, maybe less if we can get some competent people running the AD. Until then raging against those schools for not giving us a home game is a pointless waste of energy.
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Post by Pantherholic on Nov 19, 2017 22:15:32 GMT -6
I know you have always taken the position that we should not play nearby teams that will beat us with actual fans in the stand watching. I guess that would be humiliating? Good lord this is some of the worst reading comprehension someone's had on this board in some time. I know this is a foreign concept to you but I don't care what Bucky or the Gold think of us. I don't care what the perceptions of the program are on State St & Wells St. The MU series has proven to be an impressive waste of time and continuing it changes what? Even if we win one, unless we go to the Big Dance, it'll still be an afterthought for everyone who's not a Panthers fan. Beating them or the Badgers is, and should always be, a sidebar to what our season is as a whole. If the Panthers win in Madison this Friday and go on to finish 7th in the conference and bounced in the first round of the tournament, it won't change perceptions in the least other than Gard possibly not wanting to play us in the near future. "But don't pretend these awful scheduling decisions and capitulations aren't continuing to degrade the program" yet you would accept a 4-1 from Marquette is laughably ironic. The only series that should understandably happen is Minnesota vs Marquette so they can fight over their inferiority complexes towards Wisconsin. |
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Post by nickpanther78 on Nov 20, 2017 12:37:20 GMT -6
Personally, I see the point being made completely. However, I think the 90K check will pay some bills obviously. I say we shock people this coming Friday like we did in Ames recently. We all know that our AD is incompetent, so I guess I will just focus on this team turning some heads. The crowd yesterday was concerning. I am hoping if this team can keep winning it will get some interest back. A win in Madison again would help in that. I have no interest in playing MU again at all. Not after how they handled things in the past with us.
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Post by Super King on Nov 20, 2017 13:06:45 GMT -6
Admittedly, I don't know much about contracts between schools for games. I'm more of just a casual observer of basketball. That being said, what incentive is there for UW or MU or any other high major school to play us at our place? There is none. MU lost thousands of dollars playing their series with us. Many people on this board are having a difficult time navigating their equally passionate opinions that Braun has turned this program into a joke but also because of past success and student body size we are a Very Respectable Program and bigger schools somehow owe us games. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 20, 2017 13:54:30 GMT -6
Seriously, who would’ve thought an exhibition game would trigger Fran like this? Amanda’s broken him. By the way -- I heard that there was a free t-shirt giveaway for the first 5,000 fans. Damn nice of Dave Gruber to sponsor an entire season's supply. I was at the game Friday and to say that I'm concerned about REAL attendance is a gross understatement. I've been to three games over the last two seasons and fan turnout makes the Ric Cobb era look like our Halcyon days. We must band together and tell the school that something must change ... and it's not the coach! |
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Post by DunneDeal on Nov 20, 2017 15:29:26 GMT -6
If you want to talk crap about Amanda, and the sh*t deals we make in scheduling long term can you make a new thread and lets keep this for discussion about the actual game.
Im getting really tired of the the same hijack every single thread. Make a thread called Fans that hate Amanda, and let everything be aired there. I'd rather not search through multiple posts to actually talk about a game.
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