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Post by uwmxctf on Mar 30, 2016 11:55:40 GMT -6
Just a word of caution on those fundraising figures for those of you who are now touting it. First, that number was given to D'Amato by the Athletic Department, with no explanation or details. Just a gross figure. Second, I believe that figure includes a large, one time, donation intended to improve the Panther Arena for the benefit of the Admirals as much or more than the Panthers. Yes, UWM benefits, but this is not the same as a "general purpose" donation that can be used to fund any area of need. It is essentially and earmark. Third, That figure was not all ACTUAL cash, but included PLEDGES as of 12/31/2015. Before the recent events, mind you. As such, they are little more than soft promises to donate, and able to be withdrawn by the potential donor at any time. They are not, as far as I know, legally binding contracts. Finally, no one knows, including D'Amato, how much of that figure is real cash and how much is pledged and now potentially unrealizable because the donor no longer wishes to contribute. Remember, these pledges were made in the midst of a 20 win season with a win in Madison and a coach who many donors liked tremendously coming up on the end of his contract. It is not unreasonable to think that some of these pledges were made with the intention of helping fund and extension. And if you go back to my original post (now locked - thanks ADMIN), I asked specifically for numbers EXCLUDING any donations made with the intent to benefit the Admirals, made by the Admirals, or both. I have yet to see that number, nor have I seen sponsorship figures, as requested. One last note of caution....what happens to those of you squarely behind Braun in the event that the 2016 donations are significantly lower than the reported Million plus figure now being thrown around with glee? Will that be her fault, or will you all place blame for that on someone else? I just need to understand at what point she actually becomes responsible for the performance of her department, because it would appear as though that point has not yet been reached for many of you. I'm not even looking at the overall dollars here, what jumps out to me is the number of donors. Going from 369 to 687 donors is what I'm looking at. Sure the million plus figure looks good on paper, but I agree that could easily be fuzzy math to arrive there. The donors may go down with people upset about the handling of Rob Jeter's contract. But you also might see some people that haven't been happy with the performance of Jeter step up to the plate. I know I'll personally be dusting off the checkbook this year. How many donors were there in fiscal 2012 or 2013? We have no idea whether our donor base or gifts/pledges have increased since Braun's arrival based on the information provided. |
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Post by Edub on Mar 30, 2016 12:20:12 GMT -6
How many donors were there in fiscal 2012 or 2013? We have no idea whether our donor base or gifts/pledges have increased since Braun's arrival based on the information provided. I agree with fiscal 2012 numbers, seems odd they'd include those numbers. Although something tells me Costello and Geiger probably weren't racking up donors in their brief stints at UWM. I can tell you from my own experience, this past year is the first time I've been contacted to donate to UWM in a long time. And that's with a history of being a season ticket holder for a few years. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 30, 2016 12:27:05 GMT -6
Second, I believe that figure includes a large, one time, donation intended to improve the Panther Arena for the benefit of the Admirals as much or more than the Panthers. Yes, UWM benefits, but this is not the same as a "general purpose" donation that can be used to fund any area of need. It is essentially and earmark. Why would UWM receive a payment for improvements to an arena they don't own? |
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 30, 2016 12:30:21 GMT -6
I am only telling you what D'Amato told me. I have no clue if we are responsible for some of the maintenance of or improvements to the Panther Arena now or not.
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Post by pantherproud on Mar 30, 2016 12:49:43 GMT -6
To be clear - I like your passion for the program and that panther u even exists to get info to the masses. My only gripe is that while many of your points are valid, there have been many supporters on here (such as myself) that have a different view. Your response to them has been to accuse us of being "in" with the AD. Instead of having a debate about the topics and present both sides on twitter, etc. You just want to bash us for our views. I don't know anyone working in the athletic department. But I do think Braun came into a mess and has taken steps to fix them problems whether they are popular or not. You don't have to agree but at least give me a counterpoint...and present to the masses that your view isn't that of the whole fanbase. Just want to bash you for your views? Are you kidding me? Perhaps you see one little snipe at you or others for conspicuous timing on registration and think that I'm dismissing any ideas you pose. If I'm dismissing something you say as wrong, it's because you're wrong - and either you know it's wrong and you're closing ranks around the AD or you're not aware that you're wrong. Either way, I'm not going to sugar coat it for you, buddy. Anyone who visits PantherU on Twitter or the website knows that it is a fan blog. I've broken news on there based on relationships forged with coaches and administrators across the conference and state, many of whom have moved outside our area and now help me with info elsewhere. But no place do I say that I'm representative of the entire fan base. Hell, plenty of the people who have abandoned this board for mine are some of Jeter's biggest detractors. Some support Braun. So it's not like people will read my tweets and think they represent the whole fan base. Here's my Twitter profile: "Unofficial MKE_MBB blog. Lots of commentary on @uwm and @mkepanthers. Currently eating something fried." Does that really sound like I'm portraying myself as representative of everyone? Let's not kid ourselves. I'm far from the only one who is being combative. Or did you not see the "Dakdelsur" post on my site yesterday? Did you ever think my timing and maybe that of others is due to the fact we are excited jeter was let go? I've waited a long time for us to make a change and try to upgrade our coach to level that I grew accustomed to years ago. I joined to talk about coaching candidates only to find out you dominated the conversation with hate for the administration, AD and anyone else you don't agree with. I'm sorry I couldn't stand for someone to try to tear down my alma mater in public without saying something. And I believe in my views and won't back down from someone who wears sweater vests, uses the word "bro" and has probably never actually played the game of basketball at any competitive level. |
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 30, 2016 13:09:44 GMT -6
Just want to bash you for your views? Are you kidding me? Perhaps you see one little snipe at you or others for conspicuous timing on registration and think that I'm dismissing any ideas you pose. If I'm dismissing something you say as wrong, it's because you're wrong - and either you know it's wrong and you're closing ranks around the AD or you're not aware that you're wrong. Either way, I'm not going to sugar coat it for you, buddy. Anyone who visits PantherU on Twitter or the website knows that it is a fan blog. I've broken news on there based on relationships forged with coaches and administrators across the conference and state, many of whom have moved outside our area and now help me with info elsewhere. But no place do I say that I'm representative of the entire fan base. Hell, plenty of the people who have abandoned this board for mine are some of Jeter's biggest detractors. Some support Braun. So it's not like people will read my tweets and think they represent the whole fan base. Here's my Twitter profile: "Unofficial MKE _MBB blog. Lots of commentary on @uwm and @mkepanthers. Currently eating something fried." Does that really sound like I'm portraying myself as representative of everyone? Let's not kid ourselves. I'm far from the only one who is being combative. Or did you not see the "Dakdelsur" post on my site yesterday? Did you ever think my timing and maybe that of others is due to the fact we are excited jeter was let go? I've waited a long time for us to make a change and try to upgrade our coach to level that I grew accustomed to years ago. I joined to talk about coaching candidates only to find out you dominated the conversation with hate for the administration, AD and anyone else you don't agree with. I'm sorry I couldn't stand for someone to try to tear down my alma mater in public without saying something. And I believe in my views and won't back down from someone who wears sweater vests, uses the word "bro" and has probably never actually played the game of basketball at any competitive level. Says the guy pissed off about personal attacks. Well played, hypocrite. Well played. |
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Post by skrapheap on Mar 30, 2016 15:10:23 GMT -6
Anyone else find it odd that Panther U isn't pushing out links to Fox 6 interview or jsonline story but was all about posting an oped from Jeter's lawyer and getting it in front of Lena Taylor? Not a very impartial approach to representing the program if you ask me. Apparently, those hacks at all of the local news stations aren't portraying the story to Jimmy's liking... Links to the whole gamut of Amanda Braun's Tuesday media blitz are on PantherU. But since you think it's best for everyone that Jimmy leave this board, and you can't be bothered to check out PantherU, that bastion of Not-True-UWM-fans, you run your mouth here... |
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Mar 30, 2016 15:15:33 GMT -6
Ok, sorry to interrupt but I do believe Braun is at The Final 4 and that MSU Assistant Stephenson is also there with some of his players. Does anyone know if Billeter is there. I recently watched some interviews with Stephenson and he is an energetic and bright guy. He understands defense and develops big men which I still believe was Jeter's biggest weakness. I would think anyone who works for Tom Izzo has got to be good. He is my choice at the moment. I think Billeter would bring some stability given his experience and track record. He understands the college game and is adored at Augustana. Great sense of humor and presence displayed at press conferences. Donte Jackson has about five kids from Milwaukee at Stillman. I am not sure if he is ready but I like his style and background. Again I think it is important to consider a African American given the accusations and temperament out there. Right now all three may be better than Jeter.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 30, 2016 15:27:44 GMT -6
Did you ever think my timing and maybe that of others is due to the fact we are excited jeter was let go? I've waited a long time for us to make a change and try to upgrade our coach to level that I grew accustomed to years ago. I apologize for the registered date thing - I was confusing you with gomkepanthers, who signed up a couple days before the decision to forego the postseason went public. That person (we'll just assume you're not one in the same) came prepared with a table breaking down Rob Jeter's record. Normally? Who cares. Plenty of people against Rob brought up his record. That table was prepared in the exact same way that tables have been put together by the athletic department for years. The rest of the post that came with it was prepared elsewhere, as the bullet-points used are the same that show up when you copy a bullet-point list from another computer program and paste them into the message board. See the red rectangle in this screenshot (edited to bring the username, bullet list and table elements together):  That isn't the bullet-point used by:
It's close to the middle one, but the size of the bullet-point in the middle example above is thinner and shorter than the one used in the 'gomkepanthers' post. To even get that second bullet-point, you need to use a drop-down list that's never used on here.
So yeah, I questioned who that person was. Because it's poor form for AD employees to pose as random fans with an agenda, and that person appeared to be someone who was in the AD. If 'gomkepanthers' isn't, they most certainly had everything prepared beforehand and simply plugged in the table and bullet-point list onto the board. There's plenty of people who weren't disappointed with letting Jeter go. Any one of them could have brought up his record. But no one comes packing with a perfectly-made table and a bullet-point list put together elsewhere unless they weren't planning for the We can disagree, that's all right. But 'gomkepanthers' had an agenda from step one. That's all I'm saying. As for you, all I know is you were pretty condescending to people you didn't think were donors, when I was the only one who wouldn't be considered a significant donor at one point or another haha. I thank you for your donations. We're currently looking to replace a donor who has given $7 million to the university. Could you pick up the $50,000 annual tab he is vacating so the UWM Foundation can work on the much bigger amount of money he's pulling from academics? I joined to talk about coaching candidates only to find out you dominated the conversation with hate for the administration, AD and anyone else you don't agree with. I just went through my last ten pages of posts to find this 'HATE' for the administration. Looks to me like the only point of contention is when I called out people for coming to Braun's defense who weren't around at all before all this. And the only point it got anywhere near over-the-line was when I told 'gomkepanthers' that his IP Address is registered, and a moderator can see who he is. Of course that was such a crazy idea, why would anyone ever use message boards to try and advance an agenda? I'm sorry I couldn't stand for someone to try to tear down my alma mater in public without saying something. And I believe in my views and won't back down from someone who wears sweater vests, uses the word "bro" and has probably never actually played the game of basketball at any competitive level. Buddy, those are some nice words. Seriously, thank you. - "I couldn't stand for someone to try and tear down my alma mater in public..." Really? Is that what I'm doing? I didn't realize that Amanda Braun is in fact the university and not just a steward of our program. When I say 'our,' I'm referring to the program that you and I support. - "I...won't back down" Hahahaha. I can envision you rewriting the Tom Petty song now: 'No I won't back down, I will hide behind a keyboard and a screen, But I...won't back down.' Seriously? Buddy, my face is on the left. My name is all over this place. I don't care if you won't back down, because you're not standing up on your own two feet to begin with. - "from someone who wears sweater vests, uses the word "bro" and has probably never actually played the game of basketball at any competitive level." Well, now who is rolling in the mud? 1) Sweater vests are the best, who doesn't love the Mean Street Posse? 2) I figured "bro" was more polite than "asshole." 3) I do love a good fat joke. I didn't play competitive after middle school, but I did coach two years of high school ball, so if you're trying to say I don't know basketball, no - but if it was a fat joke, kudos. Looks to me like I really got you all hot and bothered, huh? Seems to me like you're the one who has an anger problem. |
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Post by pantherproud on Mar 30, 2016 15:30:34 GMT -6
Finally someone who wants to seriously talk candidates. I agree that getting izzos top assistant would be a great hire. I also like pat miller and otzelberger. I think those 3 would be at the top of my list and would all be good fits.
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Post by pantherproud on Mar 30, 2016 15:42:26 GMT -6
I appreciate the apology with the confusion over gomkepanthers. ..I apologize for the last dig, just getting sick of being accused of being an insider for the last week instead of discussing coaches. As for donors I will be increasing to help the best I can. Regardless of anyone's feelings about this situation the new coach deserves a fair shake and support.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 30, 2016 15:47:40 GMT -6
Ok, sorry to interrupt but I do believe Braun is at The Final 4 and that MSU Assistant Stephenson is also there with some of his players. Does anyone know if Billeter is there. I recently watched some interviews with Stephenson and he is an energetic and bright guy. He understands defense and develops big men which I still believe was Jeter's biggest weakness. I would think anyone who works for Tom Izzo has got to be good. He is my choice at the moment. I think Billeter would bring some stability given his experience and track record. He understands the college game and is adored at Augustana. Great sense of humor and presence displayed at press conferences. Donte Jackson has about five kids from Milwaukee at Stillman. I am not sure if he is ready but I like his style and background. Again I think it is important to consider a African American given the accusations and temperament out there. Right now all three may be better than Jeter. Stephenson is the only name there that has been reported. Billeter has literally only been tied to this by me, and I only tied him to this because Amanda Braun follows him on Twitter. Might be nothing. Jackson is only in year two, but he took a middling team and made them great pretty quick. On Stephenson, this is what I see: a Big Ten assistant who is an energetic recruiter. That, to me, is Rob Jeter to a T. Which is totally fine by me - you know I was behind Jeter, so I would gladly accept Stephenson as coach. You bring up that anyone who works for Tom Izzo has got to be good. Well, let's take a look: - Tom Crean became a head coach at Marquette, which has a ridiculous amount of resources compared to Milwaukee. - Brian Gregory did very well at Dayton, another school with tons of financial and university support, before being fired last week after doing pretty much nothing at Georgia Tech. - Mark Montgomery just had his first winning season in five years at NIU - also this was the first time he reached the "Amanda Braun Goals for Basketball Success"TM (except they were 136 in the RPI). NIU rewarded him with...THE VEGAS 16?! That's not worthy! - Jim Boylen, fired at Utah. - Stan Heath, fired at both Arkansas and South Florida. - Stan Joplin, fired at Toledo. - Doug Wojcik, fired at Tulsa, 24 and 14 wins in his first two years at Charleston. - Dane Fife, left his job at IPFW to rejoin Izzo (they had his best season, 18-12 and 4th in the Summit, when he left). - Mike Garland, fired at Cleveland State, back on Izzo's staff. It would be wrong to assume that Stephenson would fail. I'm just pointing out that being an Izzo assistant is not a big feather in the cap - after all, only 2 of those 9 assistants are still head coaches, and while the jury is out on Montgomery, only Gregory and Crean had any real success. You mention Jeter's biggest weakness was developing big men. Let's make sure to ask Anthony Hill and Kyle Kelm if they developed under Jeter at all when they get back from their professional basketball jobs overseas later this spring. I care not whether the coach is white or black, or anything else. I want to win. I want Rob Jeter's firing to be justified by the hiring of someone who is obviously an upgrade. Isn't that what everyone else wants? I appreciate the apology with the confusion over gomkepanthers. ..I apologize for the last dig, just getting sick of being accused of being an insider for the last week instead of discussing coaches. As for donors I will be increasing to help the best I can. Regardless of anyone's feelings about this situation the new coach deserves a fair shake and support. Cool, let's move on haha. |
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Post by PantherNation on Mar 30, 2016 15:52:36 GMT -6
Some moron on Twitter thinks Wichmann and his 5 ppg will end up playing for the Badgers. Yeah, okay. I must be that idiot you are referring to? If so I didn't say he will end up playing for them. But if you don't think a guy that shoots 47.7% from 3 and will be available right away is good enough to be given a look by UW (even if off the bench) then you're not only a dick but you're wrong. Aside from Koenig, Vitto Brown was their best shooter from 3 at 40.0%. And don't tell me that Wichmann wouldn't be a huge upgrade from Showalter. So to say that he isn't good enough to play for UW is selling him way short. If not for Austin being given significant minutes this year, Cody would have had much more impressive numbers. The guy can shoot at a high major level. Especially if someone like Zac Showalter can average 31 minutes per game. You remind me a lot of a Marquette fan I know that laughed when Braun added MU to the list of schools they can't transfer to saying that no one was good enough to play in the Big East. Well, Akeem is getting looks from Creighton and Butler... So obviously neither one of you know sh*t. |
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Mar 30, 2016 16:14:13 GMT -6
Ok ok not all of Izzo's assistants have been successful but they do get jobs and must be considered as solid candidates. I also welcome a coach who is smart, experienced, honest, and cares about the student athlete, scholarship, walk on, transfer, white, black, brown, etc.. I just think there needs to be more black head coaches at D1 university and UWM should highly consider such candidates. I am not a micromanager of my opinions and that is all they are opinions. I think Tim Izzo is a great coach with a great philosophy and believe that Stephenson is more than just a recruiter which seems to be a code word for black coach. Under Jeter the bigs took way too long to develop, including Kelm, Pannoske, and Hill. The fact that they have careers overseas is a tribute to their size and athleticism and perhaps better coaching. I have said Pannoske will succeed overseas as well with growth and coaching.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 30, 2016 16:42:12 GMT -6
Some moron on Twitter thinks Wichmann and his 5 ppg will end up playing for the Badgers. Yeah, okay. I must be that idiot you are referring to? If so I didn't say he will end up playing for them. But if you don't think a guy that shoots 47.7% from 3 and will be available right away is good enough to be given a look by UW (even if off the bench) then you're not only a dick but you're wrong. Aside from Koenig, Vitto Brown was their best shooter from 3 at 40.0%. And don't tell me that Wichmann wouldn't be a huge upgrade from Showalter. So to say that he isn't good enough to play for UW is selling him way short. If not for Austin being given significant minutes this year, Cody would have had much more impressive numbers. The guy can shoot at a high major level. Especially if someone like Zac Showalter can average 31 minutes per game. You remind me a lot of a Marquette fan I know that laughed when Braun added MU to the list of schools they can't transfer to saying that no one was good enough to play in the Big East. Well, Akeem is getting looks from Creighton and Butler... So obviously neither one of you know sh*t. You're not the guy he got into it with on Twitter. I was mentioned in those tweets. 97 and the guy he was talking to would actually get along pretty well in person haha. |
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