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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Feb 14, 2013 14:02:42 GMT -6
I hope he stays, but it's pretty hard for this years returning leading scorer(Kelm) to be on the bench, especially when that has been one of our major flaws this season. SCORING!
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Post by milwsport on Feb 24, 2013 1:02:39 GMT -6
I don't comment that often on individual players but I think Kelm is a fine young man who has been a great asset to the program.
I hope he stays. As to the question of a conflict, that's pretty much always going to be the case. I remember a few years when I knew the cousin of one of our starters. He was telling me that he told his cousin not to listen to RJ, that he could score more if he did this, that and other thing. He said his cousin's friends were telling him and other players the same thing.
Of course none of them had played college BB, let alone coached so much as an 8th grade team.
The problem with that approach is that the every man for himself approach destroys any coherent strategy. No one knows what to do, some players get ticked off because they're doing what the coach told them to do and they give up either trying or listening or both.
Faced with that situation the coach can bench the street ballers and work with the guys who follow the game plan hoping that to regain their playing they'll fall in line or that the less talented players will develop. He can also play his errant athletes and hope that they'll be somewhat under control.
RJ seems to have chosen the latter course of action and the results are obvious. Street ball teams are easily destroyed by disciplined teams that follow a game plan while the street ballers are running helter skelter ignoring any instructions on how to defend and use all of their teams weapons, while they dream of making the ESPN top 10 plays of the day.
That's why unless they are incredibly talented (and ours aren't), street ballers don't win leagues, get tourney bids or advance their programs.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 25, 2013 9:57:49 GMT -6
What or who are "street-ballers?"
In a previous post, Jay O, Paris and Big Mete were called our "street-ballers."
Hell, these three are our best players. Should they all have been cut loose?
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Feb 25, 2013 10:05:47 GMT -6
I don't pretend to know what goes on in the head of a 20-some year old. However, life is complicated
and 6 months is a short time in a college students life. Combine illness with an injury, depression with a tragedy, a unintended word with anxiety and six months will pass before one knows it. Kyle is a talented basketball player and hopefully will get his game on track. If Jeter doesn't know it, he needs Kelm in the starting lineup next year.
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Post by DunneDeal on Feb 25, 2013 12:05:10 GMT -6
I wouldn't say JayO is one of our best players. His turnovers have hurt this team. There is a noticeable difference when he hasn't been on the floor.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 25, 2013 12:46:02 GMT -6
I wouldn't say Jay O is one of our best players. I would, as he averages a team-best 14.6 points and 5.0 assists a game. He's also shooting, I believe, 35 percent on 3-pointers. He's not really a true point guard, but we all know at whose feet the blame for that lies. |
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Post by kingsteve on Feb 25, 2013 13:16:06 GMT -6
Paul
Take a look at the UWM Athletics website player profile on Jordan Aaron. Rob Jeter specfically stated that Jordan is a "true point guard"..the beat goes on...up is down and down is up in the whatever sounds good at the moment world of RJ.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 25, 2013 13:18:14 GMT -6
He also said that the team was going to feature a more uptempo style of play this season.
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Feb 25, 2013 13:26:20 GMT -6
Paul Take a look at the UWM Athletics website player profile on Jordan Aaron. Rob Jeter specfically stated that Jordan is a "true point guard"..the beat goes on...up is down and down is up in the whatever sounds good at the moment world of RJ. diddo. nice find. |
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Post by yuhayden on Feb 25, 2013 13:34:25 GMT -6
I wouldn't say Jay O is one of our best players. I would, as he averages a team-best 14.6 points and 5.0 assists a game. He's also shooting, I believe, 35 percent on 3-pointers. He's not really a true point guard, but we all know at whose feet the blame for that lies. Being a poor player and one of the best players on this team is, in this case, not mutually exclusive. |
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Post by yuhayden on Feb 25, 2013 13:48:34 GMT -6
Faced with that situation the coach can bench the street ballers and work with the guys who follow the game plan hoping that to regain their playing they'll fall in line or that the less talented players will develop. He can also play his errant athletes and hope that they'll be somewhat under control. RJ seems to have chosen the latter course of action and the results are obvious. Street ball teams are easily destroyed by disciplined teams that follow a game plan while the street ballers are running helter skelter ignoring any instructions on how to defend and use all of their teams weapons, while they dream of making the ESPN top 10 plays of the day. That's why unless they are incredibly talented (and ours aren't), street ballers don't win leagues, get tourney bids or advance their programs. "Streetball or street basketball is a variation of the sport of basketball, typically played on outdoor courts and featuring significantly less by way of formal structure and enforcement of the game's rules. As such, its format is more conducive to allowing players to publicly showcase their own individual skills." I don't think anyone on this team is playing streetball. They're not playing particularly well and they are poorly coached but it's not streetball. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 25, 2013 17:16:56 GMT -6
Faced with that situation the coach can bench the street ballers and work with the guys who follow the game plan hoping that to regain their playing they'll fall in line or that the less talented players will develop. He can also play his errant athletes and hope that they'll be somewhat under control. RJ seems to have chosen the latter course of action and the results are obvious. Street ball teams are easily destroyed by disciplined teams that follow a game plan while the street ballers are running helter skelter ignoring any instructions on how to defend and use all of their teams weapons, while they dream of making the ESPN top 10 plays of the day. That's why unless they are incredibly talented (and ours aren't), street ballers don't win leagues, get tourney bids or advance their programs. "Streetball or street basketball is a variation of the sport of basketball, typically played on outdoor courts and featuring significantly less by way of formal structure and enforcement of the game's rules. As such, its format is more conducive to allowing players to publicly showcase their own individual skills." I don't think anyone on this team is playing streetball. They're not playing particularly well and they are poorly coached, but it's not streetball. Perfect post. |
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Post by Super King on Feb 25, 2013 23:21:00 GMT -6
It's a thin roster made thinner by transfers, recruiting losses, and benchings, with two poor-shooting guards who take too many shots. And like I've said before, the last thing I'll criticize Jeter for is benching kids who misbehave. Two things I will guarantee you right now are that A) Jeter is a far harsher disciplinarian than 95% of college coaches, and that B) one of the great keys to winning with a college program is ignoring rulebreakers, which is a college sports culture I hate and one Jeter is not capable of participating in.
And however Kelm/Niang/Aaron may be behaving, it's very obvious that Harris, Panoske, and Arians at least have demonstrated great receptiveness to Jeter's coaching -- Harris morphed into a 9 & 5 guy who shoots 48% and averages a block and a steal. Considering where he was last year it's a remarkable jump.
So my great hope for the next two years -- because Jeter will be coach unless a certain local lawyer who lobbied hard for him ponies up -- is that this year's fiasco turns out to be a weird one-off roster situation that gets resolved by padded-out recruiting classes and kids (Jordan, Kyle, Bobo, and maybe even Evan, but maybe he's just a late bloomer) who demonstrate the willingness to learn within the system. And maybe we'll get Larry Austin.
(Jordan taking long, quick 3-pointers is absolutely streetball)
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 26, 2013 10:01:56 GMT -6
Harris morphed into a 9 & 5 guy who shoots 48% and averages a block and a steal. Considering where he was last year, it's a remarkable jump. Just like Marcus Skinner, another nugget discovered at the end of Jeter's bench. As for J.O., wasn't he in no small part enticed to play here by the promise of a faster, more wide-open style of play? And wouldn't quick, transition 3-pointers fit perfectly into that style? If he is playing "street-ball," then Ed McCants was one of the biggest "street-ballers" we ever had. |
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Post by yuhayden on Feb 26, 2013 11:25:41 GMT -6
(Jordan taking long, quick 3-pointers is absolutely streetball) So, when Panoske shoots an off-target 3 with 28 seconds left on the shot clock and less then a minute to go in the first half is that "streetball"? Or does that not count since he's white??? So tired of the racial code words. |
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