Game 12- Tennessee Tech

[kingsteve]

Hack,

Are you sure of that? Sure sounds like they are looking to do earlier if possible and morph him into fund raising asap. Not saying they are necessarilly eating his salary per se but man, $200,000 to bring in this guy and he is lame duck, may not even be totally involved AD for the entire year and on top of that what has he done other than moving us back to KC in a knee jerk with no plan, quite the contrary, on hold for now...
My frustration with wasting money and eating salaries is more in line with the settlements and money paid to Koonce and Costello but now this fiasco as well

[Hack]

If he was a lame duck, he was a lame duck from day 1, when it was said it would be a one-year appointment ... helping transition into the permanent AD.

[PantherLou]

If we are paying him $200,000, I would expect him to bring in $2 Million in revenue.

....still waiting for that phone call to renew the money I used to be donating, before the department decided it didn't need my funds....

[kingsteve]

Hard to say if he was a lame duck from the start or not.. Same old story ...make it up as they go...vague talk from the outset though one year he might if he wants or it is mutual stay longer so once again confusion and uncertainty. Now it is back to well he was brought in for one year to find a successor, really??? Anybody's guess as to what was intended or more likely they aren't really sure and are thrashing around, hence all the mixed signals and confusion, no definite plans etc... wait... that is our MO,,, at least are consistent....in our inconsistency

[dutchpthr]

Steve, I am quite confused by what your trying to say....So are you saying that you are surprised that when we hired a guy last yr to a one yr contract on the premise that he was only taking the job to help the transition to someone who would be looking to stay longer then one year?

The reason Geiger was hired was pretty much explained i thought and has been explained during his time here. He was never going to be the long term answer, we pulled him out of retirement for one so how long did you really think he was going to be here?

Now while i understand that you have an issue with the move to campus i don't understand why you are surprised that we are looking for a new AD. That was the plan and that plan was made very public i thought when it was touched on at the press conference when Geiger was hired. Geiger is not stepping down officially until June as his contract was stated when he was hired as well, I know the role has been said that he will stay on in fund raising aspect but i can't see that being for all that long of a time to be honest, maybe he stays roughly 6 more months in that role but my guess is by this time next year Geiger is back at his home enjoying his retirement again, an he will ahve filled his role that UWM hired him to do.

I also don't understand what information that people are upset about that was not passed along to them? You do no work at the athletic department why do you think they would come out and just release every point or plan that they are working on? No other sport team does that to anyone other then the ones who make the decisions, and how do you think this is any different? It shocks me to a degree that there are people who expect to be included in decisions with the program, if you worked there i understand, but it all comes down to money in college sports. If you are the one giving the most money you will be told what the school thinks you need to know, and that is not any different at any other school, so to think it would be different here is a bit out there. You think that Madison is telling their fan base who they talked to this week on who they are trying to get to replace Bielma? Not a chance, big time donors may have been asked their thoughts but there is no way any school is just giving up freely their plans, so to expect otherwise is just wishful thinking, I'm sorry if that bothers anyone but it is the truth and reality.

Now i'm not saying it is right, all im saying is what is true, and sorry if that makes you upset but that is how college sports are now, its all about money. If you have it you are in the know, if you don't, well thanks for the attempt, have a good time, we will see ya later....thats the world of college sports now.

[kingsteve]

DutchPanther.

Understand where you are coming from and agree in principle with basically all of your points in general. Where I differ and struggle a bit with all of this is the following:

*When they hired Geiger they really were not all that clear. Basically a lot of talk about his initial contract was one year but if it went well, he felt fit and everyone was pleased he definitely would be open to staying longer etc etc. No clear definitive commitment there other than one year minimum. That is all fine though...

*Know what you are saying but this move to KC really did seem tone deaf and done hastily and knee jerk. As late as after season (I based this on participating on a committee for UWM basketball with dept people) there was absolutely no hint of this much less discussion around at least a trial balloon along the lines of surveying season ticket holders etc about the possibility. Seemed it was done with no real sensitivey or input. I know all about confidentialty and the financial situation however also know that UWM turned a small profit overall last year at the Cell. Admittedly, they save a bunch of money beyond that by going to KC. Where I have a problem is how it was arrived at, communicated obscurely with no real explanation other than this should be a college experieince and students have on campus access to games. I digress but seems like students attended in a larger number at the Cell last year than KC this year. . There was a lot of talk last year and even documentation on UWM website about an athletics master plan. Then this all came down and nothing was addressed about a plan or campaign to address the basketball facility issue other than it has been put on hold for now and they are going to make the KC home indefinitely. All that being said if something is announced going forward that will be great and will participate and support. On the other hand if this is what it is going to be indefinitely the program will just limp along and fade...they do not owe the public all the internal workings but how can anyone say the whole communication trail along both the move back to KC and the overalll athletics vision has been abysmal and almost non-existent. Not great for building fan suport and raising money.

[dutchpthr]

Steve, thank you for the clarity on your comments, much appreciated to have a civil and well rounded discussion here to be honest ;D

I can understand the disappointment about not being notified after having talks and meetings with some in the AD, and i think that is a valid and just issue to take.

I guess my thinking on that is this (now i have no idea if this is true or not it is my own personal opinion, just want to make that clear to anyone so do not quote me or anything on it) there was plan in place with the former AD's we had, and im sure to some extent those plans were being explored and prolly some were moving forward, i would say the baseball field is an example of this actually, but i wonder with the scale of the plan involved with a new arena, or any new athletic building planned for campus or near campus there are things that each of the previous AD's had that they wanted to add their own touch to, since they all felt they were going to be around for a lot longer then each actually was, but with them both being shown the door in less then positive circumstances my guess would be that any donors or plans were told to be shelved permanently until there is a better and more sound leader at the helm. Basically i think that the new arena idea and plans were put away until we get the entire program back on the right track as i think we can all agree the last couple of AD en devours that we have ventured on have not at all worked out like anyone had hoped they would.

If that is the case then i see no real issue with the current situation. Holding off on any information considering the uncertainty surrounding the program is probably the best course of action for our program i would say, considering it was kinda of short sided action that put us in the financial hell that we are currently in. I guess, and i hope that you share this feeling with me Steve, that I would rather they get as much uncertainty involving the direction of the program in order before we start going out and adding on to it with not all of the key parts in place. I would say still we are in such a state of flux with our program that to think there is anything more pressing then actually getting the right person for the job in there rather then rush things like we have in the past and end up making even more of a mistake.

Now i also understand that waiting based off of where we were not that long ago is not anyone's idea of ideal but maybe this isn't as bad as we are making it out to be. I guess I am willing to wait and see for now, but I will agree with you Steve that I hope there are plans that are in the works that will make all of us proud alums/fans/supporters again very soon. Guess I'm just the eternal optimist when it comes to my school (aside from maybe the rest of this season, haha).

[Pounce Needs Pals]

Are we talking about the Tenn. Tech game?

[mcdadenets50]

Dec 18, 2012 18:39:57 GMT -6 Pounce Needs Pals said:

Are we talking about the Tenn. Tech game?

There's nothing to add regarding the Tennessee Tech game unless you want to congratulate Dr. Sitaritis on a well played game.

;D

[ghostofdylan]

Dec 18, 2012 19:30:54 GMT -6 mcdadenets50 said:

Dec 18, 2012 18:39:57 GMT -6 Pounce Needs Pals said:

Are we talking about the Tenn. Tech game?

There's nothing to add regarding the Tennessee Tech game unless you want to congratulate Dr. Sitaritis on a well played game.

;D

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