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Post by illwauk on Mar 10, 2012 17:09:38 GMT -6
Jeter's system, albeit has elemnts of the Swing, I really feel like its not the same system and its more of his take on it, with additions and subtractions. IMO. Now for his actual coaching style, I will agree it's Bo, right down to the crouching down during team intros. What I mean is that they're both very fundamental and defensively-oriented styles of clunky Midwestern ball. The Bruce Pearl teams were aggressive and more intense, which made our games more exciting to watch and seemed to give the team an attitude and confidence that really hasn't existed since then. Someone else also mentioned Jeter's preference for transfers and jucos over true freshman recruits. It's not exactly building for the future if we can't develop pipelines into schools outside of Wisconsin when we're third in the pecking order for in-state recruits in a state that isn't exactly a hotbed for D1 hoops talent. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 10, 2012 19:57:59 GMT -6
The funny thing is no one is mentioning the simple fact that Bruce Pearl's Sweet 16 team and 2003 NCAA team would not have been so if they had the same injury and flu problems this year's team dealt with.
Isn't it obvious?
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Mar 10, 2012 21:40:16 GMT -6
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Post by The Green Gull on Mar 10, 2012 21:43:23 GMT -6
The funny thing is no one is mentioning the simple fact that Bruce Pearl's Sweet 16 team and 2003 NCAA team would not have been so if they had the same injury and flu problems this year's team dealt with. Isn't it obvious? Are you making the argument that if healthy, the 2012 team is better than the 2003 and 2005 teams? |
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Post by gman2 on Mar 10, 2012 22:24:43 GMT -6
The funny thing is no one is mentioning the simple fact that Bruce Pearl's Sweet 16 team and 2003 NCAA team would not have been so if they had the same injury and flu problems this year's team dealt with. Isn't it obvious? Pure speculation. How much of the health issues are on the coaching staff? I know they rely heavily on the information and advice of others, but the extent to which this team has had injuries and illness compared to the previous coaching regime, and compared to other Horizon League programs has to make you wonder what is going on with the health of the program. Because ultimately, the responsibility starts at the top, the head coach. |
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 10, 2012 22:28:25 GMT -6
The funny thing is no one is mentioning the simple fact that Bruce Pearl's Sweet 16 team and 2003 NCAA team would not have been so if they had the same injury and flu problems this year's team dealt with. Isn't it obvious? Jimmy, I thought you were better than this. I'll mention had this team been fully healthy they still are not in the same class as '03, '04, 05, or '06 and it is not close. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 10, 2012 22:55:52 GMT -6
Injuries/illnesses had nothing to do with gaining and then blowing big leads in several games this season.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 10, 2012 22:58:40 GMT -6
The funny thing is no one is mentioning the simple fact that Bruce Pearl's Sweet 16 team and 2003 NCAA team would not have been so if they had the same injury and flu problems this year's team dealt with. Isn't it obvious? Jimmy, I thought you were better than this. I'll mention had this team been fully healthy they still are not in the same class as '03, '04, 05, or '06 and it is not close. I suggest you talk to some of the members of those teams. You may come away with a different perspective. I'm not suggesting that the 2012 team is better than any of those teams. I am merely pointing out that had either the 2003 or 2005 team dealt with the same injury and health issues as the 2012 team, they likely would have missed the NCAA Tournament in those years. People are quick to forget that the 2005 team was a Brandon Cotton runner from missing the NCAA Tournament. The reason I bring that up isn't to say that the 2012 team is better or worse - as others have pointed out, that is comparing apples and oranges. It is because a few shots here or there have changed many fans' perspectives of our program. Say Brandon Cotton makes that shot in '05, and we go on a deep NIT run. Say the 2003 team has Clay Tucker in the hospital the night before the title game with the flu, puking his guts out, and we lose. How would your perspectives on the Jeter era change? I'm merely pointing out that the overwhelmingly negative perception of the 2012 season (and the last three years overall) might be a whole lot different if we had about five to ten negative possessions nearly a decade ago. Doesn't it strike you as curious? We base all our expectations on Jeter's tenure on a Sweet 16 that was three inches from not happening. |
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Mar 10, 2012 23:08:14 GMT -6
See I'm not basing my expectations on the Sweet 16 team.
Do I want to return to the sweet 16? Hell yea, but I just want Jeter to prove he can make it to the dance with his players. I am tired of failing multiple years, but mostly last year.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 10, 2012 23:22:22 GMT -6
See I'm not basing my expectations on the Sweet 16 team. Do I want to return to the sweet 16? Hell yea, but I just want Jeter to prove he can make it to the dance with his players. I am tired of failing multiple years, but mostly last year. Everyone is disappointed - I don't think anyone is saying that we've lived up to expectations. I just don't think it's fair to jump all over these guys for the way this season turned out when it's painfully obvious we were playing, at best, 80% strength all season. |
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Post by gman2 on Mar 10, 2012 23:32:47 GMT -6
As BP seems to have pointed out, under Pearl we didn't have the injuries and illness we have under Jeter. At what point do we look beyond the training staff and start to look at the coaching staff inability to judge injury and illness, and the environment leading to injury and illness.
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Post by parkerj on Mar 11, 2012 2:27:55 GMT -6
As BP seems to have pointed out, under Pearl we didn't have the injuries and illness we have under Jeter. At what point do we look beyond the training staff and start to look at the coaching staff inability to judge injury and illness, and the environment leading to injury and illness. ...you don't? speculation is fine, but that's something that nobody outside the locker room has anywhere near enough information to speculate on |
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 11, 2012 11:58:32 GMT -6
Jimmy, I thought you were better than this. I'll mention had this team been fully healthy they still are not in the same class as '03, '04, 05, or '06 and it is not close. I suggest you talk to some of the members of those teams. You may come away with a different perspective. I'm not suggesting that the 2012 team is better than any of those teams. I am merely pointing out that had either the 2003 or 2005 team dealt with the same injury and health issues as the 2012 team, they likely would have missed the NCAA Tournament in those years. People are quick to forget that the 2005 team was a Brandon Cotton runner from missing the NCAA Tournament. The reason I bring that up isn't to say that the 2012 team is better or worse - as others have pointed out, that is comparing apples and oranges. It is because a few shots here or there have changed many fans' perspectives of our program. Say Brandon Cotton makes that shot in '05, and we go on a deep NIT run. Say the 2003 team has Clay Tucker in the hospital the night before the title game with the flu, puking his guts out, and we lose. How would your perspectives on the Jeter era change? I'm merely pointing out that the overwhelmingly negative perception of the 2012 season (and the last three years overall) might be a whole lot different if we had about five to ten negative possessions nearly a decade ago. Doesn't it strike you as curious? We base all our expectations on Jeter's tenure on a Sweet 16 that was three inches from not happening. But it did happen. That's the whole point. You can make "what if" excuses all you want. Should Butler's Runner-up appearance last year be devalued because they were 3 seconds away from not beating ODU or Pitt last year? And to compare Clay Tucker and Tony Meier is beyong laughable. Losing Meier would be comparable to '03 losing Jason Frederick. Without Frederick, Milwaukee still beats Butler. |
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Post by gman2 on Mar 11, 2012 12:31:35 GMT -6
In the 2005-2006 season, if Chris Hill doesn't get the bounce against Detroit, Butler takes the HL regular season crown and hosts the tourny. UWM may not go to the NCAA or NIT, so a team essentially returning all the pieces from a sweet 16 team doesn't make it. But we got the bounce and the HL regular season crown, so we host and win the tourny.
We can speculate all we want. Simple fact is, This program is in a tough situation. Outside of the base, there really is nothing for the public at large to be excited about. The public at large will not care for our facility plight, getting facilities built in locations that require support from the general public will be difficult to develop. Like I said, this university couldn't public support to build a facility that would support world renown academics and research. It will be difficult to get support outside the base for facilities that support a program that generates very little if any excitement for the general public.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 11, 2012 13:35:17 GMT -6
How many guys on this year's team could have started for any of Pearl's teams? Perhaps Ryan Allen, but who would go to the bench? McCants or Boo? No way. Ryan would likely have been a fantastic 6th man (imagine him in the full-court press). Meier isn't anywhere near the player Joah Tucker or Dylan Page were. Kaylon over Chris Hill? Possibly. Haarsma over Tigert? Please. It's absurd to think this year's team would even come within 15 of any of those NCAA teams. Look at the problems Cleveland St.'s pressure gave these guys the last few years; they'd be begging for mercy wiith Bruce's pressure.
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