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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 27, 2012 10:40:23 GMT -6
Toughest projection that I can remember.
I'll go with:
First team
Ryan Broekhoff, Valparaiso
Tre Harmon, Cleveland State
Ray McCallum, Jr., Detroit
Kevin Van Wijk, Valparaiso
Kaylon Williams, Milwaukee
Second team
Ben Averkamp, Loyola
Alec Brown, Green Bay
James Haarsma, Milwaukee
Kendrick Perry, Youngstown
Andrew Smith, Butler
All-Newcomer
Doug Anderson, Detroit
Anton Grady, Cleveland State
James Haarsma, Milwaukee
Keifer Sykes, Green Bay
Gary Talton, UIC
All-Defensive
Ryan Allen, Milwaukee
Alec Brown, Green Bay
D'Aundray Brown, Cleveland State
Eli Holman, Detroit
Ronald Nored, Butler
Player of the Year: Ryan Broekhoff. Coach of the Year: Bryce Drew. Newcomer of the Year: Haarsma. Defensive Player of the Year: Ryan Allen, Milwaukee.
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Post by BBFran on Feb 27, 2012 12:19:10 GMT -6
So James is so good, he'll make both the second and third teams? Seems almost unfair. I'm guessing you meant Tony Meier for one of those.  |
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Post by Hack on Feb 27, 2012 12:42:37 GMT -6
All-Newcomer, not third team.
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dutchpthr
Junior
ain't much if it ain't dutch
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Post by dutchpthr on Feb 27, 2012 13:09:28 GMT -6
I think that Julius Mays (WSU) end up on either first or second team all HL and get the newcomer of the year award. In HL play he is the conferences 3rd leading scorer at 15.2 ppg. Haarsma is 15th at 11.4 ppg. Mays also won HL Player of the week twice. Haarsma won once. s3.amazonaws.com/hln/sports/statfiles/2/stats.pdf?1330213646I think NOY is between those two for sure but one could make the argument that James higher rebounding totals and higher FG% could give him an edge without having as many POTW, it is all up to how you want to look at the stats tho i guess. I will say that while i think James is def up for NOY i am not sure he will get 2nd team all conference, i am not saying he isn't deserving, but i just have a feeling that Kaylon is the only Panther that will make 1st or 2nd team |
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Post by royalty414 on Feb 27, 2012 13:12:44 GMT -6
2012 Horizon League Awards
Player of the Year: Ryan Broekhoff, Valparaiso
Newcomer of the Year: Julius Mays, Wright State
Defensive player of the Year: Ronald Nored, Butler
Sixth Man of the Year: Eli Holman, Detroit
Coach of the Year: Bryce Drew, Valparaiso
All-League Teams
First Team
Ryan Broekhoff, Jr., F Valparaiso
Ray McCallum, So., G Detroit
Kendrick Perry, So., G Youngstown State
Kevin Van Wijk, Jr., F Valparaiso
Alec Brown, So., C Green Bay
Second Team
Kaylon Williams, Sr., G Milwaukee
Trevon Harmon, Sr., G Cleveland State
Julius Mays, Jr., G Wright State
Ben Averkamp, Jr., F Loyola
Ronald Nored, Sr., G Butler
All-Newcomer Team
Julius Mays, Jr., G Wright State
Keifer Sykes, Fr., G Green Bay
Anton Grady, Fr., F Cleveland State
Roosevelt Jones, Fr., F Butler
Gary Talton, Jr., G UIC
All-Defensive Team
Ronald Nored, Sr., G Butler
Damian Eargle, Jr., C Youngstown State
D’Aundray Brown, Sr., G Cleveland State
Trevon Harmon, Sr., G Cleveland State
Ryan Allen, Sr., G Milwaukee
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Post by BBFran on Feb 27, 2012 13:14:59 GMT -6
All-Newcomer, not third team. Missed that.  |
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Post by JG Panthers on Feb 27, 2012 13:41:33 GMT -6
What a joke.
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Feb 27, 2012 15:34:29 GMT -6
I think that Julius Mays (WSU) end up on either first or second team all HL and get the newcomer of the year award. In HL play he is the conferences 3rd leading scorer at 15.2 ppg. Haarsma is 15th at 11.4 ppg. Mays also won HL Player of the week twice. Haarsma won once. s3.amazonaws.com/hln/sports/statfiles/2/stats.pdf?1330213646I think NOY is between those two for sure but one could make the argument that James higher rebounding totals and higher FG% could give him an edge without having as many POTW, it is all up to how you want to look at the stats tho i guess. I will say that while i think James is def up for NOY i am not sure he will get 2nd team all conference, i am not saying he isn't deserving, but i just have a feeling that Kaylon is the only Panther that will make 1st or 2nd team Haarsma averaged under 5 RPG in conference play. That's poor for his position, and kept him off the all-newcomer team. You could argue for him over Jones or Grady. Sykes should have been NOY. His conference only stats are unreal. Mays is a good choice too, he'd score 20 in a faster paced offence. I think this is the most accurate all-conference teams in years. |
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dutchpthr
Junior
ain't much if it ain't dutch
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Post by dutchpthr on Feb 27, 2012 15:47:53 GMT -6
Haarsma averaged under 5 RPG in conference play. That's poor for his position, and kept him off the all-newcomer team. You could argue for him over Jones or Grady. Sykes should have been NOY. His conference only stats are unreal. Mays is a good choice too, he'd score 20 in a faster paced offence. Im sorry but i think NOY is going to be a 2 horse race and Mays & Haarsma are the 2, i just don't see Sykes jumping in the NOY race, but is def on the All New-Comer team. That being said i think the leader for NOY is Mays, but that was why i said in my post it all depends on how you look at the stats, and comparing a guard and forward at times is difficult. I can't even take that other dudes list seriously Ronald Nored is again way overrated in this conference, he had a good NC game a couple years ago and has been an average at best player since, he has limited to none offense and i can not say that he is the defensive stopper that people claim him to be. |
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Post by FTA1982 on Feb 27, 2012 15:52:31 GMT -6
You do realize that royalty414's post are the actual awards the Horizon League announced today.
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dutchpthr
Junior
ain't much if it ain't dutch
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Post by dutchpthr on Feb 27, 2012 16:40:07 GMT -6
You do realize that royalty414's post are the actual awards the Horizon League announced today. Was not aware of that at all. Sad thing to see that is how the league saw it. Thinking back to previous years, were teh awards announced so soon after the season, i seem to think they came out once we got the meat of the HLT, i guess i always thought that they came out after the first round games. I still stand by my opinion on Nored, very overrated, average at best. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 27, 2012 18:49:27 GMT -6
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Post by jhart05 on Feb 27, 2012 19:31:07 GMT -6
Hypothetical scenario here ...
You are playing Marquette.
Who do you put on DJO?
Ryan Allen or Ronald Norad.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 27, 2012 20:59:39 GMT -6
Forget the Horizon League postseason awards. Epic fail.
If there was anyone to whom Ryan Allen should have lost Defensive Player of the Year honors, it's Alec Brown, who was good enough for first-team all-league but not good enough for first-team all-defense.
Because of Ryan, Julius Mays -- whom I unintentionally omitted from my all-newcomer team -- was a rumor in our game here.
How does James not even make the squad when he averages 11.4 points, 4.8 rebounds and 53 percent from the field? Did they think he's been active here for longer than a year?
As for Kaylon, is there any other league in the country -- let alone a non-BCS one -- where one of the nation's top-7 assist-makers would be omitted from the all-league team in a year in which Norris Cole, Brandon Wood and Shelvin Mack have departed?
The league once again forgets that being a great player isn't merely about scoring the most points.
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Post by zvillehaze on Feb 27, 2012 21:57:38 GMT -6
I usually expect more objective analysis from you, but I understand that you're a UWM fan, so understand you sticking up for your guys. If you really think you've got a first team all-league guy, the Newcomer of the year and the Defensive Player of the Year, then you need to take a hard look at your coach, because the win-loss doesn't measure up.
You can take all the shots you want at Nored. He probably got bonus points for shutting down player after player in the last two NCAA tourneys. That isn't right because that's an opportunity that Ryan Allen was never handed.
Argue all you want to over the "Newcomer" team. I think it's stupid because it's basically a "best transfer" team, which rewards guys who failed at their first college and bailed for another school. It will be even more ridiculous next year if it includes Rotnei Clarke ... a 23 year-old fifth year player who is anything but a "newcomer". I would be much more in favor of the "All-Freshman" team that actually recognizes guys who we can expect to make contributions to the league in the future.
Kaylon is a statistical anomoly. He has the ball all the time, so he accumulates a lot of assists. He also accumulates a lot of turnovers. He wins some games, but he also has cost you guys a lot of games over the last two years with no look passes into the third row.
The bottom line is that none of these selections are perfect. If you want to claim that all of your guys got screwed, then go ahead. Thought you were more objective than Jimmy, but nothing wrong with being a fan.
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