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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 27, 2012 22:09:24 GMT -6
Well, I also favor an all-freshman team over an all-newcomer one.
But considering the way that things are currently constituted, I don't see how someone who shot 53 percent from the field, 45 percent from the arc and 67 percent from the line is excluded at the expense of someone in Roosevelt Jones who simply can't shoot.
It's a rather interesting perspective that those outside the program have of Kaylon Williams. I don't recall him flinging any no-look passes into the third row. Is he loose with the ball at times? Absolutely. Would the Panthers be Wright State or perhaps UIC without him? Undeniably.
Yes, he broke down throughout the season. But that never prevented him from taking the court. He's one tough hombre.
As for Ryan Allen, there's no one in the league better-equipped to guard at four positions. He is an old-fashioned defensive stopper.
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Post by royalty414 on Feb 28, 2012 8:30:36 GMT -6
Yes, Kaylon definitely deserved to be named to the First Team.
And yes, Ronald Nored being named DPOY is a joke.
As far as Haarsma not being named to the Newcomer Team, he just did not play all that well in conference and disappeared in more than half of our league games this year. His stats weren't there and rebounding definitely wasn't there. He just wasn't enough of a factor offensively and/or defensively to be worthy of the last spot on the Newcomer Team, much less named NOY compared to everyone else on the list.
Finally, Ryan Allen is by far one of the top 2 on ball defenders in the league. He locks down everyone he faces and keeps us in games. Ronald Nored being named DPOY is a travesty, but Damian Eargle should have won the award. Of course I wanted Ryan to win it, but Eargle should have won the award, no question.
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Post by jhart05 on Feb 28, 2012 8:45:54 GMT -6
Ryan Allen can and has defended every position on the floor. Hell he blocked two shots from that 7-foot center up in Green Bay. I don't care what the stats said, I saw it with my own eyes.
Doesn't really matter thou, Ryan will prove them all wrong when he's in the NBA. Someone will want him for defense and be able to teach him how to speed up his shot. I might start watching the NBA again if/when Ryan makes it. Just hope he goes to a team I used to like. I don't want to be a Bulls fan.
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Post by jhart05 on Feb 28, 2012 8:49:46 GMT -6
It's a rather interesting perspective that those outside the program have of Kaylon Williams. I don't recall him flinging any no-look passes into the third row. Yeah, I thought that was kind of ridiculous also dylan. I believe I can count on one hand the number of no-look passes Kaylon has even attempted in his two years here. Like the "me-first" comment from a UW-green bay fan. If you pick out any words to describe Kaylon, "me-first" certainly isn't even in the discussion. At least from someone who has actually watched him a good number of games. Kaylon simply does what it takes to win the game. He is on my All-Time Panther "Fierce Competitor" 1st Team. In addition to being the #1 Point Guard in our history, of course. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 28, 2012 9:55:41 GMT -6
As far as Haarsma not being named to the Newcomer Team, he just did not play all that well in conference and disappeared in more than half of our league games this year. His stats weren't there and rebounding definitely wasn't there. He just wasn't enough of a factor offensively and/or defensively to be worthy of the last spot on the Newcomer Team, much less named NOY compared to everyone else on the list. Retrospectively, I'm fine with either Julius or Keifer being named NOY. I really wish that this was a Freshman of the Year award. As for James, take another look at our box scores. He was one of the two most consistent performers on the team along with Ryan. He washed out on the Detroit-Wright State trip because of injuries; otherwise he's been a bulwark all season along the front line. |
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Post by zvillehaze on Feb 28, 2012 10:42:57 GMT -6
Haarsma was certainly deserving of recognition. I'd make the case that he should have replaced Talton, not Jones. One of my favorite sayings is that "even the worst team in the country has a leading scorer". For UIC, that was Talton.
Despite the "ugliness" of Jones' game (and he had two ugly ones against UWM), he was clearly the most consistent player for Butler this year. He's probably the best defender on the team also.
Which leads me to agree that Nored's DPOY was driven by reputation/lifetime achievement. He's very good,but I won't argue that he had a better season than Allen or Eargle.
As for Kaylon, I understand the love for him. The perception around the league is that his game has a few warts (turnovers/shooting percentages) that aren't recognized by UWM fans. With that said, he's a great leader and competitor. I expected him to be 1st team, but also think the guys on the 1st team are deserving.
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Post by PantherU on Feb 28, 2012 23:21:27 GMT -6
HE IS SEVENTH IN THE NATION IN ASSISTS!!!!!!!!! WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A HORIZON LEAGUE PLAYER WAS TOP TEN IN ANYTHING?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Feb 29, 2012 7:00:32 GMT -6
HE IS SEVENTH IN THE NATION IN ASSISTS!!!!!!!!! WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A HORIZON LEAGUE PLAYER WAS TOP TEN IN ANYTHING?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Williams was tied for 9th in assists, and 8th in turnovers. Damian Eargle is 3rd in blocked shots. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 29, 2012 7:56:24 GMT -6
Well, Kaylon certainly didn't perform like an all-league player last night. He was way, way too loose with the ball and was almost solely responsible for our five-minute drought at the end of the half.
I still maintain that James and Ryan were snubs. They are our two most consistent performers and together with Kaylon the heart and soul of the team.
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Post by PantherLou on Feb 29, 2012 9:12:37 GMT -6
I really don't understand the uproar that people have regarding the League awards.
As long as you have media and SID departments voting on these awards, they will never be anything more than educated guesses by people who watch a relatively small number of actual league games.
As currently constructed, these awards are handed out based upon box scores and word-of-mouth far more than they are for actual on court performances.
If every team had a true beat reporter who attended every game and had a thorough first-person understanding of the league, then you would have awards worth caring about. The other solution that would work would be for the vote to be only by coaches and assistants - people who actually watch the games.
Until then, I just don't care enough to get upset about it.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 29, 2012 9:16:56 GMT -6
As long as you have media and SID departments voting on these awards, they will never be anything more than educated guesses by people who watch a relatively small number of actual league games. Completely agree. Time to move on. (Of course, I hope that Ryan and James continue to let the oversights fester inside of them like an open wound.) |
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Post by zvillehaze on Mar 2, 2012 22:17:08 GMT -6
Well, I also favor an all-freshman team over an all-newcomer one. But considering the way that things are currently constituted, I don't see how someone who shot 53 percent from the field, 45 percent from the arc and 67 percent from the line is excluded at the expense of someone in Roosevelt Jones who simply can't shoot. It's a rather interesting perspective that those outside the program have of Kaylon Williams. I don't recall him flinging any no-look passes into the third row. Is he loose with the ball at times? Absolutely. Would the Panthers be Wright State or perhaps UIC without him? Undeniably. Yes, he broke down throughout the season. But that never prevented him from taking the court. He's one tough hombre. As for Ryan Allen, there's no one in the league better-equipped to guard at four positions. He is an old-fashioned defensive stopper. In his last four games against Butler, Williams shot 8-33 and had 21 assists versus 20 turnovers. You can argue that Williams is a first team all-league player, or you can argue that Nored isn't a good defender, but it's really hard to argue both without totally ignoring reality. As for Jones, 8-11 is pretty good for someone who "simply can't shoot". I'll take that for 3 more seasons. |
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Post by zvillehaze on Mar 2, 2012 22:56:26 GMT -6
Just reviewed the DVR and Jones's 8-11 should be given bonus points since he did it against the guy you say is the best defender in the HL. Once again, you can argue that Allen is the best defender in the HL or that Jones can't shoot, but not both.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 3, 2012 16:42:10 GMT -6
Hard to argue at the moment with anything you say, zville.
I do know this: I'm not looking forward to playing Butler for the foreseeable future.
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Mar 3, 2012 16:53:34 GMT -6
I really don't understand the uproar that people have regarding the League awards. As long as you have media and SID departments voting on these awards, they will never be anything more than educated guesses by people who watch a relatively small number of actual league games. As currently constructed, these awards are handed out based upon box scores and word-of-mouth far more than they are for actual on court performances. If every team had a true beat reporter who attended every game and had a thorough first-person understanding of the league, then you would have awards worth caring about. The other solution that would work would be for the vote to be only by coaches and assistants - people who actually watch the games. Until then, I just don't care enough to get upset about it. Media members and SID's don't vote for the all-defensive and all-newcomer teams. They are only involved in the voting for 1st and 2nd team all-conference. Considering there is more valid complaints about the all-defensive and newcomers teams, maybe the media and SID's should have more voting power. The coaches vote with agendas in mind. |
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