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Post by illwauk on Dec 6, 2011 14:32:54 GMT -6
Alternating locations? With our new place taking over for The Cell when ready? Never been to the old Fieldhouse, but I trust enough people that it's a nice place to watch the game. It's certainly ridiculous that area teams have the toughest road to state, then have to be the road team once there. I've been advocating for awhile for the City Conference to hold its own tournament at The Cell separate from the WIAAs similar to how many other major cities crown their own champions (Chicago has a tournament separate from Downstate Illinois' for example). Maybe that could be one of the non-UWM events held at the new arena. |
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Post by uwmplanner on Dec 6, 2011 22:02:30 GMT -6
Alternating locations? With our new place taking over for The Cell when ready? Never been to the old Fieldhouse, but I trust enough people that it's a nice place to watch the game. It's certainly ridiculous that area teams have the toughest road to state, then have to be the road team once there. I would think we would be an unlikely site to host mainly because they WIAA would need a larger arena. |
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Post by uwmplanner on Dec 6, 2011 22:06:04 GMT -6
Alternating locations? With our new place taking over for The Cell when ready? Never been to the old Fieldhouse, but I trust enough people that it's a nice place to watch the game. It's certainly ridiculous that area teams have the toughest road to state, then have to be the road team once there. I've been advocating for awhile for the City Conference to hold its own tournament at The Cell separate from the WIAAs similar to how many other major cities crown their own champions (Chicago has a tournament separate from Downstate Illinois' for example). Maybe that could be one of the non-UWM events held at the new arena. I'm not sure why they would need a separate tournament. A Milwaukee school hasn't won the D1 state title since King won it it 2004 (Tosa East did win it in 2008). |
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Post by illwauk on Dec 7, 2011 10:23:21 GMT -6
Alternating locations? With our new place taking over for The Cell when ready? Never been to the old Fieldhouse, but I trust enough people that it's a nice place to watch the game. It's certainly ridiculous that area teams have the toughest road to state, then have to be the road team once there. I would think we would be an unlikely site to host mainly because they WIAA would need a larger arena. Really? I thought the Field House and The Cell were pretty much the same size? EDIT: They're actually within a few-hundred seats of each other. Field House: 11,500 The Cell: 10,783 Either way, the finals rarely (if ever) came close to filling half the Kohl Center. That's why the Resch Center (9,877) is bidding for the tournament. |
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Post by Hack on Dec 7, 2011 10:29:30 GMT -6
I'm assuming he means the WIAA would need a larger arena than what UWM's new arena would be, not what the Cell currently is.
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Post by uwmplanner on Dec 7, 2011 10:41:25 GMT -6
That is what I meant, unless we built the new arena to hold 10,000 the new arena wouldn't be used for the WIAA state tournament.
I still think a rotation between the Cell, Resch and Fieldhouse would be neat.
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Post by illwauk on Dec 7, 2011 10:56:57 GMT -6
I'm not sure why they would need a separate tournament. A Milwaukee school hasn't won the D1 state title since King won it it 2004 (Tosa East did win it in 2008). That's because in the early 2000s, the WIAA started pairing the Milwaukee schools off on each other or the Madison schools in the early rounds and began enforcing a bunch of new "statewide" rules that really only affected the Milwaukee schools (such as banning Wisconsin schools from playing games beyond the states that border Wisconsin). The general feeling amongst the City schools was that the WIAA was trying to pacify the parents and administrators outstate who were losing interest due to seeing their kids lose to "thugs" every year. That is what I meant, unless we built the new arena to hold 10,000 the new arena wouldn't be used for the WIAA state tournament. Ah, ok. But even then, if the trends of the last few years continue, a 6,500-7,000 seat arena might be the perfect place to host it. I still think a rotation between the Cell, Resch and Fieldhouse would be neat. I could definitely get on board with this. Or even one that didn't include the Resch, which is really more of a hockey arena and feels like a mini-Bradley Center. |
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Post by Rawls on Dec 7, 2011 11:12:23 GMT -6
Yeah, that's my point is that the games never seem to threaten sellout at Kohl, so our 7,000ish seat arena might be a better environment. Not a huge fan of the Resch, but I suppose it would give the GB/Fox Valley teams a turn in having more of a home environment.
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Post by PantherU on Dec 7, 2011 11:21:52 GMT -6
I don't know if I want our arena, as long as it's the Cell, to host the state tournament. It's bad enough that we have two home games every February because of the circus, now we're going to give up HL Tournament hosting to make way for high schoolers?
Fahgeddaboudit
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Post by Hack on Dec 7, 2011 11:32:11 GMT -6
State tournament is two weekends after the Horizon League tournament. This year, Horizon finals are on March 6, and the WIAA state tournament starts on March 15.
And girls state is the following weekend.
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Post by uwmplanner on Dec 7, 2011 12:58:03 GMT -6
I'm not sure why they would need a separate tournament. A Milwaukee school hasn't won the D1 state title since King won it it 2004 (Tosa East did win it in 2008). That's because in the early 2000s, the WIAA started pairing the Milwaukee schools off on each other or the Madison schools in the early rounds and began enforcing a bunch of new "statewide" rules that really only affected the Milwaukee schools (such as banning Wisconsin schools from playing games beyond the states that border Wisconsin). The general feeling amongst the City schools was that the WIAA was trying to pacify the parents and administrators outstate who were losing interest due to seeing their kids lose to "thugs" every year. First off you can play teams out of state, Madison Memorial is playing in a tournament in Detroit during Christmas break. Secondly the pairing was done because of the Milwaukee schools, they wanted the sectionals seeded so good teams would face off in sectionals instead of regionals. More recently the new pairings were created because the WIAA went to 5 divisions so they took 4 from each division instead of the 8 from D1 and then 4 from the other divisions. |
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Post by uwmplanner on Dec 7, 2011 14:52:15 GMT -6
Yeah, that's my point is that the games never seem to threaten sellout at Kohl, so our 7,000ish seat arena might be a better environment. Not a huge fan of the Resch, but I suppose it would give the GB/Fox Valley teams a turn in having more of a home environment. No doubt would it be a better environment. However I think WIAA draws 8,000-9,000 fans per session and I don't think they want to turn people away, hence why I think they will look for an arena that holds 10,000 or more to move the state tourney too. |
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Post by illwauk on Dec 7, 2011 19:19:42 GMT -6
First off you can play teams out of state, Madison Memorial is playing in a tournament in Detroit during Christmas break. They banned Wisconsin schools from playing outside of the states that border Wisconsin. Milwaukee schools were getting invites to inter-city tournaments in St. Louis and Memphis and (at least at the time), were the only schools traveling that far for games. Secondly the pairing was done because of the Milwaukee schools, they wanted the sectionals seeded so good teams would face off in sectionals instead of regionals. I'm guessing that you mean the WIAA wanted this because it wouldn't make sense for the Milwaukee schools to support something that so negatively affects their chances to go to state. Either way, its pretty backwards to not feature your state's best teams on the biggest stage, regardless of where they happen to be from. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 22:17:35 GMT -6
First off you can play teams out of state, Madison Memorial is playing in a tournament in Detroit during Christmas break. They banned Wisconsin schools from playing outside of the states that border Wisconsin. Milwaukee schools were getting invites to inter-city tournaments in St. Louis and Memphis and (at least at the time), were the only schools traveling that far for games. Secondly the pairing was done because of the Milwaukee schools, they wanted the sectionals seeded so good teams would face off in sectionals instead of regionals. I'm guessing that you mean the WIAA wanted this because it wouldn't make sense for the Milwaukee schools to support something that so negatively affects their chances to go to state. Either way, its pretty backwards to not feature your state's best teams on the biggest stage, regardless of where they happen to be from. That ban has been lifted as Milwaukee King this season plays in the Whattaburger Classic at Fort Worth, Texas later this month. |
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Post by uwmplanner on Dec 8, 2011 8:24:11 GMT -6
First off you can play teams out of state, Madison Memorial is playing in a tournament in Detroit during Christmas break. They banned Wisconsin schools from playing outside of the states that border Wisconsin. Milwaukee schools were getting invites to inter-city tournaments in St. Louis and Memphis and (at least at the time), were the only schools traveling that far for games. Secondly the pairing was done because of the Milwaukee schools, they wanted the sectionals seeded so good teams would face off in sectionals instead of regionals. I'm guessing that you mean the WIAA wanted this because it wouldn't make sense for the Milwaukee schools to support something that so negatively affects their chances to go to state. Either way, its pretty backwards to not feature your state's best teams on the biggest stage, regardless of where they happen to be from. That ban must have been in place for one season cause King played in Alaska in the 2009-10 season in Vancouver in the 2008-09 season and that same tournament in Texas in the 2007-08 season. A Milwaukee team hasn't won state recently because they haven't been as good. Losing kids to prep schools coupled with improved play from non-Milwaukee schools has made it more difficult for them. Not sure why you think the WIAA is screwing the Milwaukee shools but as somebody who has followed the state tournament very closely I just don't see this bias you think is out there. |
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