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Post by GoPanthers33 on Nov 1, 2011 10:32:22 GMT -6
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 1, 2011 10:54:30 GMT -6
Man, I just hate to be behind Fairfield and Weber State in these highly credible rankings.
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Nov 1, 2011 10:59:46 GMT -6
Man, I just hate to be behind Fairfield and Weber State in these highly credible rankings. ;D At least in basketball the rankings don't mean jack squat unlike some other college sport I know of...  |
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Post by uwmbacker24 on Nov 1, 2011 11:52:09 GMT -6
Does American know that Butler lost Mack and Howard? I like Brad Stevens but this blind faith in the man is a bit much for me.
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Post by Super King on Nov 1, 2011 12:45:46 GMT -6
And Wisconsin lost Alando Tucker, Brian Butch, Kam'ron Taylor, Jon Leuer, and any number of other people over the last few years. You don't bet against a great basketball coach.
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Post by JG Panthers on Nov 1, 2011 13:30:50 GMT -6
And Wisconsin lost Alando Tucker, Brian Butch, Kam'ron Taylor, Jon Leuer, and any number of other people over the last few years. You don't bet against a great basketball coach. Good point. The year after Alando Tucker declared for the NBA, the Badgers were ranked outside the Top 25 in preseason. You just proved his point. |
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Post by gman2 on Nov 1, 2011 14:32:11 GMT -6
I can understand Butler being where they are. Until proven otherwise they are among the top mid majors going into the season regardless of who they lost.
I can't understand Cleveland Stater or Detroit getting the rankings they received.
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Post by Super King on Nov 1, 2011 16:10:01 GMT -6
And Wisconsin lost Alando Tucker, Brian Butch, Kam'ron Taylor, Jon Leuer, and any number of other people over the last few years. You don't bet against a great basketball coach. Good point. The year after Alando Tucker declared for the NBA, the Badgers were ranked outside the Top 25 in preseason. You just proved his point. But the year after they left Wisconsin went further in the NCAA Tournament than they did with him. My point wasn't about rankings, it was about not betting against a winner. |
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Post by JG Panthers on Nov 1, 2011 16:30:29 GMT -6
I don't think anybody is betting against Brad Stevens, but the fact is he lost his two best players, and replaced them with mid-major recruits. We're not talking about Kentucky here. You don't just lose your two best players and then pick up where you left off the following year. Butler will take its lumps early on, and at the end of the day they may very well be back in the tournament, but uwmbacker had a legitimate point.
"If you wanna crown 'em, then crown their ass!!!"
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Post by zvillehaze on Nov 1, 2011 17:03:13 GMT -6
I don't think anybody is betting against Brad Stevens, but the fact is he lost his two best players, and replaced them with mid-major recruits. We're not talking about Kentucky here. You don't just lose your two best players and then pick up where you left off the following year. Butler will take its lumps early on, and at the end of the day they may very well be back in the tournament, but uwmbacker had a legitimate point. "If you wanna crown 'em, then crown their ass!!!" And last year, he lost two starters (including an NBA lottery pick) and his top frontcourt reserve and replaced them with what you would consider "mid-major recruits". They did ok. At the end of the day, you guys are not just arguing over a pre-season poll ... you're arguing over a pre-season "mid-major" poll. Until the NCAA adds a "mid-major" tournament, I declare this poll meaningless. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 1, 2011 17:58:04 GMT -6
I don't think anybody is betting against Brad Stevens, but the fact is he lost his two best players, and replaced them with mid-major recruits. We're not talking about Kentucky here. You don't just lose your two best players and then pick up where you left off the following year. Butler will take its lumps early on, and at the end of the day they may very well be back in the tournament, but uwmbacker had a legitimate point. "If you wanna crown 'em, then crown their ass!!!" And last year, he lost two starters (including an NBA lottery pick) and his top frontcourt reserve and replaced them with what you would consider "mid-major recruits". They did ok. At the end of the day, you guys are not just arguing over a pre-season poll ... you're arguing over a pre-season "mid-major" poll. Until the NCAA adds a "mid-major" tournament, I declare this poll meaningless. This is my point exactly. What is Belmont of the OVC doing in this poll ... or Weber State of the Big Sky? Where's Xavier ... or Memphis? Did you notice that BYU, which moved from the off-limits Mountain West to the West Coast, is now in play for the mid-major top 25? |
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Post by JG Panthers on Nov 2, 2011 7:11:20 GMT -6
I don't think anybody is betting against Brad Stevens, but the fact is he lost his two best players, and replaced them with mid-major recruits. We're not talking about Kentucky here. You don't just lose your two best players and then pick up where you left off the following year. Butler will take its lumps early on, and at the end of the day they may very well be back in the tournament, but uwmbacker had a legitimate point. "If you wanna crown 'em, then crown their ass!!!" And last year, he lost two starters (including an NBA lottery pick) and his top frontcourt reserve and replaced them with what you would consider "mid-major recruits". They did ok. At the end of the day, you guys are not just arguing over a pre-season poll ... you're arguing over a pre-season "mid-major" poll. Until the NCAA adds a "mid-major" tournament, I declare this poll meaningless. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You shouldn't be offended by the "mid-major recruits" comment. It's funny that you are though. The point is that Butler is not a team like UNC or Duke. It's pretty tough to just re-load and be the 2nd best mid-major team in the country after losing two 1st team all conference players, one of them being POY. Be real here. I was merely defending uwmbacker who I assume was surprised by the fact that Butler was the second best mid-major team in the country. I don't doubt the fact that Brad Stevens is one of the best coaches in the country. I merely was agreeing with the idea that the mid-major poll is pretty stupid. Still, it's voted on by mid-major coaches. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 2, 2011 8:33:45 GMT -6
Detroit, with Ray McCallum, Sr. as its coach, is ranked ahead of Old Dominion, coached by Blaine Taylor.
I rest my case.
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Post by zvillehaze on Nov 2, 2011 17:56:00 GMT -6
And last year, he lost two starters (including an NBA lottery pick) and his top frontcourt reserve and replaced them with what you would consider "mid-major recruits". They did ok. At the end of the day, you guys are not just arguing over a pre-season poll ... you're arguing over a pre-season "mid-major" poll. Until the NCAA adds a "mid-major" tournament, I declare this poll meaningless. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You shouldn't be offended by the "mid-major recruits" comment. It's funny that you are though. The point is that Butler is not a team like UNC or Duke. It's pretty tough to just re-load and be the 2nd best mid-major team in the country after losing two 1st team all conference players, one of them being POY. Be real here. I was merely defending uwmbacker who I assume was surprised by the fact that Butler was the second best mid-major team in the country. I don't doubt the fact that Brad Stevens is one of the best coaches in the country. I merely was agreeing with the idea that the mid-major poll is pretty stupid. Still, it's voted on by mid-major coaches. Nah ... not offended. And most of the guys playing for Butler this year are unproven, so voting them #2 in this poll is a leap of faith. They are certainly struggling tonight. Actually uwmbacker's comments are on point ... Butler will have some rough spots early as they try to integrate 7 new players. I hope they're good by the end of the season, but we'll see. Easy to sit around and wonder how they would be if Hayward and Mack were playing as seniors this year.  |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 2, 2011 18:51:01 GMT -6
BYU now being in the West Coast Conf. put them as a mid-major. Ummm...
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