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[BBFran]

"Bullsh*t...i grew up in madison, and went to dozens of badger games...EVERY TIME they showed a UWM score and the Panthers were winning, most people clapped and cheered "

That's even more true with Rob as our coach, but it was also true when Bruce and Bo were here. There just isn't the animosity that some people here seem to think.

Starkly different from the reaction you get from Marquette fans about UWM. They really do see us as a threat. Wisconsin just doesn't. We may wish it were otherwise, but it's not.

[uwmfutbol]

Mar 21, 2011 13:35:55 GMT -6 PantherU said:

Mar 20, 2011 15:28:52 GMT -6 uwmfutbol said:

I love Panther basketball just like I love Wisconsin basketball, but honestly, it's NOT THAT IMPORTANT.

YES, it is:

www.pjstar.com/sports/wessler/x904841871/Wessler-To-live-BU-spirit-must-get-young

This is completely different. This article demonstrates what happens when you ignore your fans and traditions. I'm talking about what happens when you are so passionate about your program that you deem it necessary to define what it means to be an appropriate fan, thus alienating certain members of the fan base.

Believe it or not Jimmy, we both really want the Panthers to succeed. Just because I also support the Badgers doesn't make me a pseudo fan. Do you think people at the Cell care if I've been to a Badger game this year? I'm willing to be they're still going to take my money. If anything, the Wisconsin Badgers should be upset because I choose to give UWM my money instead of spending it at the Kohl Center.

As was already said, if we put a quality product on the floor and get an on-campus arena, people will come. Unfortunately, we have to convince the general public that these games are worth attending. This takes a long time. We're inevitably going to get fans who also support the Badgers. It would be unwise to turn them away. We're not here to take a loyalty oath to the Panthers--we're here to support our team and watch some quality basketball.

[Pounce Needs Pals]

Mar 21, 2011 14:25:36 GMT -6 BBFran said:

"Bullsh*t...i grew up in madison, and went to dozens of badger games...EVERY TIME they showed a UWM score and the Panthers were winning, most people clapped and cheered "

That's even more true with Rob as our coach, but it was also true when Bruce and Bo were here. There just isn't the animosity that some people here seem to think.

Starkly different from the reaction you get from Marquette fans about UWM. They really do see us as a threat. Wisconsin just doesn't. We may wish it were otherwise, but it's not.

Not talking about the students, but Marquette doesn't care what UWM does. So don't come with your slamming and hating on MU.

[BBFran]

I can 100% guarantee you that you're wrong -- students, alums and administration.

[Pounce Needs Pals]

I'm wrong because you always think you are right.

I don't hear of any of the MU fans at Marquette games that bash UWM. Not saying it doesn't happen, I don't know all the 13,000 who have season-tickets.

[BBFran]

I concede that not every Marquette fan cares although many obviously do. I assure you that the MU admin cares. And they would be crazy not to care. They want competition for the local sports fan's interest from another credible D1 program in Milwaukee almost as much as they want another lesbian Dean.

[Pounce Needs Pals]

You started talking about Badger fans in the crowd clapping for UWM scores. I'm simply talking about the same people who are in the crowd, that have seats in the lower bowl, that are season-ticket holders. I just don't see or hear any hate towards to UWM from those people.

Now, the people who run the schools, I'm sure you are correct that is a different story. Heck, I hate alot of the sh*t they do.

[uwmfutbol]

Mar 21, 2011 16:51:11 GMT -6 BBFran said:

I concede that not every Marquette fan cares although many obviously do. I assure you that the MU admin cares. And they would be crazy not to care. They want competition for the local sports fan's interest from another credible D1 program in Milwaukee almost as much as they want another lesbian Dean.

Zing.

[PantherU]

I'm just saying, this school is not going to reach its potential if so much of our fan base counts Wisconsin as its other team. Because in the end, we can't afford the split on ticket purchases, gear, and donations.

I know two of our biggest donors who are also major donors to Wisconsin athletics, and if their rooting interests weren't split, our pot would see a significant boost. So yes, Dual Allegiance hurts us.

[gman2]

Mar 21, 2011 14:25:36 GMT -6 BBFran said:

"Bullsh*t...i grew up in madison, and went to dozens of badger games...EVERY TIME they showed a UWM score and the Panthers were winning, most people clapped and cheered "

That's even more true with Rob as our coach, but it was also true when Bruce and Bo were here. There just isn't the animosity that some people here seem to think.

Starkly different from the reaction you get from Marquette fans about UWM. They really do see us as a threat. Wisconsin just doesn't. We may wish it were otherwise, but it's not.

I don't know one MU fan that sees Milwaukee as a threat. There may be a lack of interest or they may look down on Milwaukee, but they don't see Milwaukee as a threat.

I do know a lot of UW fans who could give a rats a$$ about Milwaukee. They didn't even know Milwaukee was hosting the Horizon League titler game and it was live on ESPN.

So let's not stereotype either fans base. The MU and UW fans I know aren't the same as MU and UW fans in which you direct your comments.

[uwmball]

Mar 20, 2011 14:13:52 GMT -6 PantherU said:

Mar 20, 2011 13:59:08 GMT -6 buppie05 said:

+1

Just as Josh Gasser would look good in a panther uniform. You can't tell me Gasser wasn't on our radar, or that it wasn't a realistic possibility that he could come here. Do you think if Wisconsin gets knocked out by Butler that even 1% of their fans will say, "well at least we still have in state team in the field, go Marquette!". No and they shouldn't. Not unless they have no problem with the Wes Matthews and Vander Blue of the world leaving town to go to MU.

We were Gasser's second choice. We had an offer on him for years, with tepid interest from Madison. When Madison all of a sudden got hot and offered him during his senior year, he took the scholarship offer from them. We had been in on him since before his voice broke, but as soon as he got the offer from Wisconsin,

Of course, some people on here believe that if you have an offer from Wisconsin, you're crap for not taking it a la JP Tokoto. Here's the quote:

When you are raised a Badger and you get a chance to play for UW then you should go to UW.

So, if Josh Gasser had taken our offer instead of Wisconsin's, he would have been in the wrong?

Come on, people. Get with the program! This is who we are, and this crap needs to CHANGE, NOW.

Well, I personally know Josh. Milwaukee definitely wasn't his second choice. As others have said, he was very close to signing with Northwestern. After that, the next school on his list was Northern Iowa to play with his buddy Chip Rank. Also, UWM wasn't among Chip's top 3. Not that it matters, but his top 3 were Northern Iowa, Miami (Ohio), and Green Bay.

As much as you don't like to hear this, it will always be extremely difficult for Milwaukee to get players that UW offers. Their the state school and have built a great program. Milwaukee will have to make the tourney for 10 straight years or so to have the same kind of success as UW, and it still might be hard after that.

[PantherU]

Mar 21, 2011 19:10:27 GMT -6 uwmball said:

Mar 20, 2011 14:13:52 GMT -6 PantherU said:

We were Gasser's second choice. We had an offer on him for years, with tepid interest from Madison. When Madison all of a sudden got hot and offered him during his senior year, he took the scholarship offer from them. We had been in on him since before his voice broke, but as soon as he got the offer from Wisconsin,

Of course, some people on here believe that if you have an offer from Wisconsin, you're crap for not taking it a la JP Tokoto. Here's the quote:



So, if Josh Gasser had taken our offer instead of Wisconsin's, he would have been in the wrong?

Come on, people. Get with the program! This is who we are, and this crap needs to CHANGE, NOW.

Well, I personally know Josh. Milwaukee definitely wasn't his second choice. As others have said, he was very close to signing with Northwestern. After that, the next school on his list was Northern Iowa to play with his buddy Chip Rank. Also, UWM wasn't among Chip's top 3. Not that it matters, but his top 3 were Northern Iowa, Miami (Ohio), and Green Bay.

As much as you don't like to hear this, it will always be extremely difficult for Milwaukee to get players that UW offers. Their the state school and have built a great program. Milwaukee will have to make the tourney for 10 straight years or so to have the same kind of success as UW, and it still might be hard after that.

Then I had bad info. It happens. Doesn't change the fact that we've recruited against Wisconsin in many instances, and it hurts our program when people attend our games wearing their Bucky clothes.

[blackcatinorange]

I'm a huge UWM fan...a fan of the university and a fan of their athletics.....but GO Badgers, and GO Marquette. I'm not a Butler fan...I don't care if they are representing the HL.

FYI...Panthers Women's Tennis this Saturday and Sunday at Pleasant Valley Tennis Club against Youngstown St. then Cleveland St. Its great tennis!! Go Black and Gold.

[PantherU]

Mar 21, 2011 19:26:26 GMT -6 blackcatinorange said:

I'm a huge UWM fan...a fan of the university and a fan of their athletics.....but GO Badgers, and GO Marquette. I'm not a Butler fan...I don't care if they are representing the HL.

FYI...Panthers Women's Tennis this Saturday and Sunday at Pleasant Valley Tennis Club against Youngstown St. then Cleveland St. Its great tennis!! Go Black and Gold.

They're representing more than the H-League, they're representing our pocketbooks.

[Rawls]

Mar 21, 2011 18:48:02 GMT -6 PantherU said:

I'm just saying, this school is not going to reach its potential if so much of our fan base counts Wisconsin as its other team. Because in the end, we can't afford the split on ticket purchases, gear, and donations.

I know two of our biggest donors who are also major donors to Wisconsin athletics, and if their rooting interests weren't split, our pot would see a significant boost. So yes, Dual Allegiance hurts us.

...and they choose to donate to Wisconsin because it's a desirable program. Many around the state like them for the product they put together. Put together a more lucrative package, and more money will come. Including money that would otherwise be spent on the Badgers or Warriors. More sports, better facilities, a fun atmosphere, and athletes/coaches/personnel that people can relate to and get to know all help that. But far and away winning is the biggest thing that gets the cash coming in.

If someone comes wearing Badger gear, give them a Panther t-shirt, say Go Panthers, and treat them to a show. Telling them they're bad for us because even though they bought a ticket they wear Badger gear will lose a potential fan and may lose an existing one. Fast. We are not yet anywhere near the position where we can insult those that put money towards the program.

NO ONE who buys tickets, donates money, buys gear, etc. to this program is hurting it. No One. No matter what else they do with their time and money. If we want more of of people's time and money, make the product we present better.