BU-UW

[mwu]

can both teams lose somehow?

I must say I was more excited about Butler being on the verge of losing last night than I was about Madison being on the verge of winning.

I wanted Butler to at least make the round of 32, and sneak into the round of 16 if possible: cause it's good for the league. That's happened and now I want nothing more for Matt Howard and Butler to be completely dismantled. Flop that d-bag right out of the gym.

I really don't care what team knocks Butler out, just so long as they lose. If it happens to be the Badgers, so be it.

[GoPanthers33]

Mar 20, 2011 9:29:33 GMT -6 uwmfutbol said:

I was at the HL semifinals with my dad (he graduated from Madison and UWM), and was actually making fun of him because he had a Badgers sweatshirt on because he forgot to wash his UWM shirt. I then proceeded to explain that many of the Panther faithful consider it treason to root for both the Badgers and UWM. His response? UWM is going to alienate a lot of fans--including him. That's the sad reality of mid-majors across the country.

I don't have a problem with people rooting for other programs. What I DO have a problem with is UWM students who are essentially ashamed of their own university and alma mater and will ONLY root for Wisconsin or Marquette. These are the people who never go to the basketball games, have no idea who Rob Jeter is, and can't name a single player on the team. They treat UWM like a community college, go home for the weekend, and root for the Badgers without paying any attention to the Panthers. That's what has always bugged me. Other programs have escaped the shadow of the flagship institution, so why can't UWM?

I think this is a much more pressing issue than rooting for Butler over UW. And just in case anyone is wondering, here is my fandom hierarchy:

1. Milwaukee
2. Wisconsin
3. Marquette

Great post.

I CANNOT stand students who pay no attention to our program yet root for others.

And as for rooting interest I root for teams from my state to do well so my order goes

1. Milwaukee
2. Marquette
3. Wisconsin
4. Green Bay

As long as they aren't playing us I have no problem rooting for them UNLESS them losing would benefit us (EX. Green bay needing to lose for us to win the HL or something.)

[gman2]

I'd like to see Butler do to Wisc-Madison what TCU did to Wisc-Madison.

[PANTHERfan]

Well said Futbol, I've always shared that sentiment.

That said, I'll be pulling for the team we play two times every year -- in a home and home series.

[Deleted]

I had neither team advancing this far...In fact, I had both Butler and Wisconsin losing in the first round to their respective opponents.

I voted for Butler in the poll because BU has played us three times this year, that should provide the Bulldogs with a sense of familiarity of how to prepare for UW. I know that our players are different in regards to skill level (UW's being better), but having previously played against this system gives Butler a small edge in the game Thursday evening. This game will be tight, but I like Butler by 2 points--73-71.

[PantherU]

Mar 20, 2011 9:29:33 GMT -6 uwmfutbol said:

Other programs have escaped the shadow of the flagship institution, so why can't UWM?

It's the fans that, when Milwaukee loses, shrug and say, "At least we've got the Badgers."

This fan base is not ours alone. When so many of our number claim dual allegiance to Milwaukee and Wisconsin, it's hard to really call it the Milwaukee fan base.

Milwaukee will never be free, never be its own, until its fans call it their one and only.

The PantherU post is coming. Oh, boy, is it coming.

[PantherU]

Mar 20, 2011 10:25:58 GMT -6 GoPanthers33 said:

As long as they aren't playing us I have no problem rooting for them UNLESS them losing would benefit us (EX. Green bay needing to lose for us to win the HL or something.)

This is even more f'd up then the others.

You want the team that we recruit against constantly to win when we're not playing them?

[Super King]

Knew those posts were coming.

The year we went to the Sweet Sixteen, Wisconsin went to the Elite Eight. Wisconsin's success has almost no tangible negative effect on ours. We rarely end up fighting with them for recruits, and the recruits we do land are paying off fairly well for us I would say, so that's a totally irrelevant argument. And considering we play them every year, the more successful they are, the better it makes us look should we win.

I also might add that Marquette has managed to spin themselves into a phenomenal hoops program, even dating back to their years in Conference USA. Obviously a successful Wisconsin team had absolutely nothing to do with that either, despite the fact that Marquette was always in the shadow of the Badgers and despite the fact that plenty of Marquette fans are also Wisconsin fans. It is a non-factor

[PantherU]

I don't know, I think this team would have had an entirely different look if we landed Josh Gasser.

To be relevant, Marquette has to spend more money than every school in the country except for DUKE.

If you think the Bucky Factor is fiction, think again.

[GoPanthers33]

Mar 20, 2011 11:38:26 GMT -6 PantherU said:

Mar 20, 2011 10:25:58 GMT -6 GoPanthers33 said:

As long as they aren't playing us I have no problem rooting for them UNLESS them losing would benefit us (EX. Green bay needing to lose for us to win the HL or something.)

This is even more f'd up then the others.

You want the team that we recruit against constantly to win when we're not playing them?

Call me F'd up all you want but I happen to root for in state teams.

If in your opinion that makes me a bad fan then thats fine thats YOUR opinion.

But no one and trust me when I say it no one can tell me I am not a die hard black and gold panther.

Green Bay was 4th on my list and if I had my choice of who would finish 2nd in the HL behind us I want all Wisconsin on top.

I am more emotionally attached to the Panthers than any person I have ever met and nothing you or anyone else says will change that.

[uwmfutbol]

"When so many of our number claim dual allegiance to Milwaukee and Wisconsin, it's hard to really call it the Milwaukee fan base."

Here's where you're wrong, Jimmy. My Dad and I show up to Milwaukee Panther games, sport Panther gear (with the exception of my aforementioned anecdote), and also happen to root for the Badgers. Who cares about this last point? When I bought my season tickets, did half of the money go to the Badgers? I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Rather than going after the fans who support multiple programs, perhaps you should be focusing solely on the apathetic members of the UWM community who see zero value in supporting their school and team. Until those "fans" are converted, nothing will change. It's this group that's really holding UWM back. You're going after a large percentage of UWM's true fans when you criticize them for wanting to root for an additional team. Why would you want to alienate that last large bastion of fans?

I admire your dedication to this program, but I think what you're going after is the final step, not the first.

[PantherU]

Mar 20, 2011 12:25:25 GMT -6 GoPanthers33 said:

But no one and trust me when I say it no one can tell me I am not a die hard black and gold panther/

A die hard black and gold panther should realize that any victory for Green Bay is a defeat for our program because we fight for recognition, and more importantly recruits, at every turn.

futbol, you may be right in that it would be the final step and not the first, but it's still a step that absolutely must be taken.

[uwmfutbol]

Mar 20, 2011 13:29:39 GMT -6 PantherU said:

Mar 20, 2011 12:25:25 GMT -6 GoPanthers33 said:

But no one and trust me when I say it no one can tell me I am not a die hard black and gold panther/

A die hard black and gold panther should realize that any victory for Green Bay is a defeat for our program because we fight for recognition, and more importantly recruits, at every turn.

futbol, you may be right in that it would be the final step and not the first, but it's still a step that absolutely must be taken.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this "last step." A lot of fans in of every sport agree with your logic, but I just have never cared that much. I think having MU and UW be good is good for the state of Wisconsin. Nevertheless, above all else I believe what is hampering this program is the lack of interest in the sports, the academics and research, and the University's growth in general. When those associated with the school couldn't care less about what happens there, nothing changes.

[GoPanthers33]

Mar 20, 2011 13:29:39 GMT -6 PantherU said:

Mar 20, 2011 12:25:25 GMT -6 GoPanthers33 said:

But no one and trust me when I say it no one can tell me I am not a die hard black and gold panther/

A die hard black and gold panther should realize that any victory for Green Bay is a defeat for our program because we fight for recognition, and more importantly recruits, at every turn.

futbol, you may be right in that it would be the final step and not the first, but it's still a step that absolutely must be taken.

I just don't think we are in a fight for name recognition. Do we fight for recruits yes but lets see:

NCAA appearances in last decade?

Green Bay- 0
Milwaukee- 3

I think we are above them as a program due to more recent success. Did I say I root for them greatly? No. But in the non-con I will as it makes the state look good and makes the Horizon league look good as well.

Try to rip on my Panther pride all you want but all that matters to me is what I know and feel with my team.

[buppie05]

Anyone who wants whats best for the panthers should be pulling for Butler to win. There really isn't any debate that goes along with that, that's just fact. If you want Wisconsin to win, you are pulling for the result that least benefits the panthers. This really isn't a debate guys. I hate Butler as much as the next guy, and I find myself sick to my stomach for pulling for them 2 years in a row.

If Wisconsin wins the panthers lose, so can you really list the panthers as your number 1 team if you are rooting for them to lose out on revenue the program definitely needs? NO . If you are pulling for an outcome that directly hurts the panthers, then please go **** yourself. Thats my opinion.

Of course the bonds of an alma mater run deep, so I understand why those people on here with degrees, or soon to get degrees from both can have their judgment clouded by the evil empire of Madison . If Madison loses this game, do you think anyone in their fan base will say, "well at least we still have an in-state team playing in the tournament, GO Marquette"? LOL