Refs

[ghostofdylan]

Mar 10, 2011 12:20:01 GMT -6 brewtownbrian said:

Mar 10, 2011 10:46:44 GMT -6 PantherLou said:

The reason why this league struggles to get higher quality officiating is simple: We don't pay enough. The more you pay, the more you can get the best officials. I have no idea if the league has any interest in changing this, but until we pay more, you are going to see a lot more of the same officials.

I have seen the same refs for HL games on TV the next night or 2 nights later calling BCS conference games....?

Pete Gillen says, "They're on at the same time as the Leave It To Beaver ... reruns."

[brewtownbrian]

Mar 10, 2011 12:22:54 GMT -6 ghostofdylan said:

Mar 10, 2011 12:20:01 GMT -6 brewtownbrian said:

I have seen the same refs for HL games on TV the next night or 2 nights later calling BCS conference games....?

Pete Gillen says, "They're on at the same time as the Leave It To Beaver ... reruns."

I'm confused. Thanks.

[PantherLou]

Mar 10, 2011 11:16:27 GMT -6 skrapheap said:

No one has claimed the job was or is easy.

What i don't understand is what is so freaking difficult about being consistent in your calls.

If you're calling fouls on one end of the court, you should be calling the same fouls for the same actions on the other end of the court. If you're calling fouls at the beginning of the game, you should be calling the same fouls on the same actions at the end of the game.

If you're going to take a "let them play" approach, then you should be letting both sides play.

Again, this is not as easy to do as most think it is. In fact, consistency is the single MOST difficult part of a referee's job. Its 100% subjective, and every call, every play is an independent event.. As fans, we see the calls as part of the ebb and flow of the game. I assure you that most referees are looking at each play as a single happening.

The key to consistency is to be the exact proper position to make every call. That again is easier said than done, but I promise you - watch the best officials and you will see that they are always hustling, moving, running, etc to make sure they are in the best position. The best also realize when their partners are in better position and are willing to wait with the whistle to allow someone else to make the call. Its a fine line between anticipating what will happen and waiting to see what does happen before making the call.

Again - its far more difficult than most fans think it is.

[gman2]

Mar 10, 2011 13:03:17 GMT -6 PantherLou said:

Again - its far more difficult than most fans think it is.

Jim Joyce probably has a thing or two to say on how difficult it is to make a correct call in split second.

[skrapheap]

Mar 10, 2011 13:03:17 GMT -6 PantherLou said:

Mar 10, 2011 11:16:27 GMT -6 skrapheap said:

Again, this is not as easy to do as most think it is. In fact, consistency is the single MOST difficult part of a referee's job. Its 100% subjective, and every call, every play is an independent event. As fans, we see the calls as part of the ebb and flow of the game. I assure you that most referees are looking at each play as a single happening.

The key to consistency is to be the exact proper position to make every call. That again is easier said than done, but I promise you - watch the best officials and you will see that they are always hustling, moving, running, etc to make sure they are in the best position. The best also realize when their partners are in better position and are willing to wait with the whistle to allow someone else to make the call. Its a fine line between anticipating what will happen and waiting to see what does happen before making the call.

The positioning of the officials when they make, or don't make, a call is another of my gripes

Either the league needs to pay more, or the officials who don't think the pay is adequate need to work for someone else...or maybe both.

[panthersteve]

gotta ask.... not blaming refs but does anyone think that was actually truly 10 seconds??? Stevens started stamping his feet and motioning 10 to the ref and it seemed like they just knee jerked a call... that was brutal IMO

[buppie05]

Speaking of poor officiating, there were 82 foul shots attempted in the ECU UAB game today. They should have just played a game of lightning to decide it. If UAB doesn't get an at large they will have a significant gripe

[GoPanthers33]

Mar 10, 2011 16:05:27 GMT -6 panthersteve said:

gotta ask.... not blaming refs but does anyone think that was actually truly 10 seconds??? Stevens started stamping his feet and motioning 10 to the ref and it seemed like they just knee jerked a call... that was brutal IMO

I know the call is technically by the officials "arm motion" count but imo it was a 10 second violation.

Really it was just a big mental mistake. I was screaming for Kaylon to cross mid court and by the time he did his little jump for the center the shot clock read 24 seconds.

Thats 11 seconds of real time and the refs arm motions were probably similar.

[buppie05]

Mar 10, 2011 16:05:27 GMT -6 panthersteve said:

gotta ask.... not blaming refs but does anyone think that was actually truly 10 seconds??? Stevens started stamping his feet and motioning 10 to the ref and it seemed like they just knee jerked a call... that was brutal IMO

That was a brutal call. It was ten seconds right at the time when the call was made, unfortunately Kaylon was already on the other side of the court at the time. It was a bit of horse hockey but again the refs didn't cost us the game.

[panthersteve]

a bit of ironic levity...Tone hit the floor after being screened... Stevens kept yelling at the ref in this high whiny disbelieving voice with his arms outstretched "he flopped: "he flopped

Are you kidding me? Kind of like accusing Laurence Olivier of acting.

[nohopspanther]

Mar 10, 2011 16:05:27 GMT -6 panthersteve said:

gotta ask.... not blaming refs but does anyone think that was actually truly 10 seconds??? Stevens started stamping his feet and motioning 10 to the ref and it seemed like they just knee jerked a call... that was brutal IMO

It was easily the right call, Kaylon was more than 5 feet short of the timeline when the shot clock hit 25. It might have been the easiest 10 second call to make that I've ever seen.

[PantherU]

Mar 10, 2011 16:05:27 GMT -6 panthersteve said:

gotta ask.... not blaming refs but does anyone think that was actually truly 10 seconds??? Stevens started stamping his feet and motioning 10 to the ref and it seemed like they just knee jerked a call... that was brutal IMO

From Eamonn Brennan (ESPN.com) twitter:

That 10 second call on UWM was one of the stranger sequences I've ever seen.

[zvillehaze]

Mar 10, 2011 20:13:20 GMT -6 PantherU said:

Mar 10, 2011 16:05:27 GMT -6 panthersteve said:

gotta ask.... not blaming refs but does anyone think that was actually truly 10 seconds??? Stevens started stamping his feet and motioning 10 to the ref and it seemed like they just knee jerked a call... that was brutal IMO

From Eamonn Brennan (ESPN.com) twitter:

That 10 second call on UWM was one of the stranger sequences I've ever seen.

By "stranger sequences", does he mean a bad call or that it's strange for a team to get a 10 second call with absolutely zero defensive pressure? It certainly was strange.

[PantherU]

Mar 10, 2011 21:11:44 GMT -6 zvillehaze said:

Mar 10, 2011 20:13:20 GMT -6 PantherU said:

From Eamonn Brennan (ESPN.com) twitter:

That 10 second call on UWM was one of the stranger sequences I've ever seen.

By "stranger sequences", does he mean a bad call or that it's strange for a team to get a 10 second call with absolutely zero defensive pressure? It certainly was strange.

Got me. I just thought it was relevant to the conversation.

[gman2]

Easy ten second call. In the section I was sitting everyone was screaming for Kaylon to get across the half court line. When the call was made no one was screaming at the refs.