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Post by jennro716 on Mar 6, 2010 22:33:05 GMT -6
That's not the only reason, but isn't is Basketball 101 that making free throws can change the game and give you easy points? They miss too many. We used to make more than the other teams attempted. And we won conference tournaments then.
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Post by PantherNation on Mar 6, 2010 22:36:42 GMT -6
Wow... can we all ignore this thread please? Give me a break.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 6, 2010 22:41:39 GMT -6
Wow... can we all ignore this thread please? Give me a break. I'm sorry it's hard to ignore people comments when a team gives it all tonight and someone is calling for a new coach after the best season since 2006. |
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Post by jennro716 on Mar 6, 2010 22:42:02 GMT -6
If you want to ignore it, then why are you looking/posting to it? And again, it is a criticism of the coach, not of the team. I think the team played very hard, but I think there are serious coaching issues that prevent them from doing as well as they can. That is why I want a new coach, not a new team.
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Post by freshmilwaukee on Mar 6, 2010 22:47:44 GMT -6
super king... If you score 80+ points a game and are decent on defense...I think you have a pretty good shot at winning ball games... Through 3/4 (19 - 13) we were 153 out of 334 with 69.7 PPG... And on Defense: 168 out of 334 with 67.8 points allowed. Teams that were 80+ ppg (Scoring Defense Included) VMI - 10-19 - 88.6 / 96.5 (334/334) Villanova - 24-5 - 83.3 / 72.8 (276/334) Kansas - 28-2 - 82.4 / 63.8 (62/334) BYU - 27-4 - 82.4 / 64.0 (66/334) Syracuse - 28-2 - 81.8 / 65.7 (109/334) Texas - 23-7 - 81.8 / 68.2 (182/334) Providence - 12-17 - 81.7 / 80.9 (332/334) Marshall - 22-8 - 80.6 / 68.1 (176/334) Washington - 20-9 - 80.5 / 70.6 (229/334) Sam Houston St - 22-6 - 80.2 / 68.8 (189/334) Maryland - 22-7 - 80.0 / 67.4 (159/334) NCAA.com - MBB - Stats www.ncaa.com/statistics/m-baskbl-stats.htmlRanking Summary So take our 67.8 points allowed per game...and get us close to or above the 80 ppg and you have us in the above grouping...minus Providence and VMI who can't play defense. I would much rather see good/average defense...and a lot of points than trying to hang on to a game, miss some free throws and we lose a game we could have won. I'm not saying we'd be 28-2 every year and in the top 25 but it'd be more entertaining basketball, for us and the average fans. I'm not knocking what was accomplished by this group of players, I'm proud of how they fought down the stretch. I just think if we can get to this level of scoring more people will be interested in the program. I just think we can achieve more with the current pieces in place (staff and players). ...but I guess I'm wrong and it's ok to finish 3rd in Points Per Game in the league... Why not finish 1st in points per game in the league? |
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Post by PantherNation on Mar 6, 2010 22:55:42 GMT -6
I know it's hard to ignore... but obviously she has no idea what she's talking about. It looks like she graduated right around the same time as me and has this unrealistic expectation to make the tournament every year. Yeah, it was amazing to watch the Panthers be a favorite to win the division for 3-4 straight years, but this is the life of a mid-major college. You're not going to be playing in the NCAA tournament every season.
We were one of 3 teams left in the conference to win the tournament and were up against an undefeated team (at home) and were within striking distance the entire game. If you really want to blame Jeter for freshman making a couple mistakes, missed free throws, and bad officiating... I guess you can do as you please. But don't start a stupid thread requesting a new coach. Especially after a hard-fought effort like tonight. I know the majority of your posts have been complaining about Jeter, but give it a rest.
Either way, I'm proud of what the team has done this season and look forward to next year. If you want to waste your time looking at all the negatives... fine. But just know that you're in the minority.
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Post by jennro716 on Mar 6, 2010 23:05:01 GMT -6
I know it is an unrealistic expectation to get into the tournament every year, but it would be nice if the person in charge of the team had that expectation and the fire and passion to go with it. I have never seen that from Jeter in 5 years and I am a season ticket holder. Just because I do not agree with your opinion does not mean that I do not know what I am talking about. The loss tonight is not the reason I want a new coach. It is just another season over and too many silly/stupid mistakes. I have left too many games frustrated with not only the coaching, but also the amount of fans in the stands. The entertainment/excitement that some dismiss as stupid is what puts fans in the seats. I know because I have been there to see the stands filled and the crowds into every second. That is gone now and I want to get it back, for the sake of the program. I haven't heard any other good explanations for what that magic has left the stands, and my reason is the coaching. It is just what I think will help. Maybe it will and maybe it won't. One things for sure, something has to change.
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Post by Super King on Mar 6, 2010 23:07:08 GMT -6
Six of those teams are currently ranked. Texas and Kansas have both been #1 at some point this season. Six of those teams are from major conferences who therefore attract better players.
If you'd "much rather see good/average defense," you'd understand that VMI scored 80 per game because of the extra possessions generated by giving up NINETY SIX POINTS PER GAME defensively, and therefore don't count in the discussion. Providence, meanwhile, has a smaller plus-minus (+0.8) than UWM does (+1.9), and a worse record.
The fact that only 11 of 334 teams average 80 points per game just goes to show how worthless the statistic is as a barometer of success. Only 9 of those teams have a shot at the tournament, meaning AT THE LEAST 56 of 65 teams who go dancing won't average 80 points. Furthermore, the UWM team that made the Sweet Sixteen averaged 75 points per game.[/u][/b] For this team to get back to old success, you're asking for them to do things the successful team never once accomplished. HOW IS THIS REALISTIC?
God, just lock this thread. This is preposterous.
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Post by freshmilwaukee on Mar 6, 2010 23:10:31 GMT -6
Points Per Game shows better results in record than Scoring Defense if you'd like to look at those statistics...
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Post by jennro716 on Mar 6, 2010 23:11:08 GMT -6
Why should it be locked just because you don't like it?
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Post by BBFran on Mar 6, 2010 23:12:41 GMT -6
If you think Rob Jeter doesn't absolutely burn with competitiveness I don't know what to tell you.
We have gotten better every year the last three years,. Our recruiting has also gotten better every year. Our players are great kids and our coaches have integrity and don't cut corners. And yet some people think NOW is the time to change the coach? The mind reels.
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Post by Super King on Mar 6, 2010 23:15:46 GMT -6
Points Per Game shows better results in record than Scoring Defense if you'd like to look at those statistics... Then how do you account for the 50-some other Tournament teams WHO DON'T SCORE 80 POINTS A GAME? |
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Post by mwu on Mar 6, 2010 23:18:33 GMT -6
it's douche bags like jennro that make people not want to post/even come to this dboard because of all the negativity.
seriously, say we would have won tonight, you wouldn't even be here trying to pick a fight. suppose we advanced to finals dare i say ncaa and lost you'd be posting your same bullsh*t. go troll some other board.
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Post by jennro716 on Mar 6, 2010 23:20:41 GMT -6
What a great coach when one of the players can't stay eligible, not to mention how many non-graduating players did we lose? Not to mention Anthony Hill has never developed into the player he should have. Also, one of the best players on the team this year was recruited by another player, not the coaching staff? In what way does recruiting have to with Jeter's competitiveness?
Again this is a discussion board where people can "discuss" their different viewpoints. The name of this thread is "New Coach". Did you think I was going to be singing his praises? Then a person who doesn't like the "negativity" probably shouldn't CHOOSE to read this. You have free will and do not have to read this thread if you don't want to. This is for all Panther fans, not just the ones who share your opinion.
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Post by Super King on Mar 6, 2010 23:23:28 GMT -6
ANTHONY HILL SCORED 15 POINTS TONIGHT
MY BRAIN IS MELTING
Bruce Pearl had to kick a player off the team this year at Tennessee, and yet he is the barometer to which you're holding Rob Jeter? Unless, of course, the barometer to which you're holding Rob Jeter doesn't exist, which judging by the insanity of this thread is probably the case.
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