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Post by MarkMiller on Mar 30, 2010 8:49:25 GMT -6
Interesting discussion. Poor Evan Anderson gets ripped to shreds by fan bases of all Wisconsin schools, it seems. The Player Rankings on WisSports.net are based on the following criteria, which was stated in the story ...
1) High school career, not just the last 20-25 games.
2) Collegiate potential (Anderson ranks high in this regard)
3) Spring and summer showing on travel-team circuit and with high school team.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 30, 2010 8:54:13 GMT -6
Interesting discussion. Poor Evan Anderson gets ripped to shreds by fan bases of all Wisconsin schools, it seems. The Player Rankings on WisSports.net are based on the following criteria, which was stated in the story ... 1) High school career, not just the last 20-25 games. 2) Collegiate potential (Anderson ranks high in this regard) 3) Spring and summer showing on travel-team circuit and with high school team. Thanks for the insight Mark. As I've said, I always enjoy your player rankings, because nobody knows Wisconsin hoops like you do. Again, I've only seen him play once, so perhaps I should temper my opinion. I don't believe he's a bad player by any means...but perhaps rated higher than what warrants... I also agree, it's not really fair to Evan, as he's not the one rating himself. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 30, 2010 8:55:22 GMT -6
Relax, JG, I knew your comment was friendly. It was just an aside to some folks who tie themselves in knots about that "issue" that is really a non-issue.
As to what I was expecting from Anderson, I had no expectation whatsoever he would contribute significantly before his upper class years. Most players don't, and almost no true bigs do. And even when he signed all you had to do was look at the UW roster to see they would have no particular need for him to contribute before then. That's the luxury of a stable successful program -- you can afford to let some guys develop. (How much did you see Smith play for Butler this year?) Also, I find internet guru rankings of young players laughable. I make my own judgments about players. When I saw Anderson play I saw why he was being recruited.
Edit -- Just want to make clear, as I have before, that I think Mark's ratings are better informed than most of these bozos who sell rankings. Mark actually goes out and watches the players, and he doesn't try to cover so much territory that he has to rely on second hand reports. Which is not to say I always agree with his rankings, and I think it's just as silly for him to rank high school freshmen as for anyone else to do so. But that, I guess, is what his customers want.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 30, 2010 9:09:35 GMT -6
Sounds good...
Your comment about Andrew Smith is maybe not meant for this thread, but it is spot on. This kid is a player, and your point about not expecting bigs to contribute before the upperclassmen years is well taken.
Butler's starting roster possibilities next season are terrifying:
PG - Nored
SG - Mack
SF - Hayward
PF - Howard
C - Andrew Smith
OR
PG - Nored
SG - Mack
SF - Hayward
PF - Khyle Marshall
C - Howard
OR (assuming Hayward leaves for the NBA Lottery)
PG - Nored
SG - Mack
SF - Khyle Marshall
PF - Howard
C - Andrew Smith
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Post by BBFran on Mar 30, 2010 9:14:56 GMT -6
Butler has a great roster and a great program. I hear they're doing pretty well in that post-season thing. I also seem to recall that we went toe to toe with them into the last minute at their house in the H League semi-final.
The Panthers aren't going to back down to the Dogs. Neither are the Vikings, the Raiders or the Titans.
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Post by uwmplanner on Mar 30, 2010 9:16:31 GMT -6
I agree with Fran Mark's rankings are better than most of the bozo's out their who sell rankings. I've seen Evan play a couple times while I don't think he is Cole Aldrich I also don't think he is JP Gavinksi.
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Post by Super King on Mar 30, 2010 9:18:05 GMT -6
Terrifying? We pushed their starting line around last year down low, and were only killed at home by missed free throws. We (and Detroit) have always matched up well against them. Maybe small teams like Green Bay should be scared, but we've got nothing to fear. Except foul shooting.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 30, 2010 9:30:31 GMT -6
Butler's starting lineup may be the best ever assembled for a Horizon League team.
Fact: Next season, it will be getting better (if Hayward doesn't leave)
Yes there are about 5 other teams that can compete with them, but they have the best starting lineup...that was my point. Hard to argue. (unless Detroit gets Ray McCallum Jr....then you might be able to argue). The Horizon League is getting a whole lot better, talent-wise, and that makes it that much more appealing for college coaches, and high school players. I love it! pmck said recently in a radio interview that, as a coach, he would love it if Butler moved on to a different conference. As a fan, I couldn't disagree more. They are very good for the conference. When the competition gets tough, we need to get tougher...
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 30, 2010 10:16:04 GMT -6
Good stuff.
On the matter of competitiveness, I would have to agree with Fran. If the Bulldogs had won their league games by 25-30 points on average, then I would say that indeed their projected lineup for the coming season is "terrifying."
But in spite of lopsided victories over UIC (twice), Green Bay (twice), Youngstown State and Wright State, their average victory margin in league games was 13.2 points, far less than what schools such as Davidson and Cornell have registered in recent years.
Rob touched on this very thing in Rosiak's well-written piece in today's Journal Sentinel when he said: "The Horizon League is a very, very competitive conference."
What I will say is that Butler is clearly the team to beat and the measuring stick for all Horizon League programs. We all need to take the money earned by Butler and make our programs better.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 30, 2010 10:20:14 GMT -6
Agreed Dylan. Had I used a different word instead of terrifying, maybe good, outstanding, terrific, or a phrase of words, such as "the best in the conference," I think my point would remain. And that is that Butler will continue to be a handful, to put it lightly. They won every game they played this year against every team in the Horizon League, and while they maybe didn't do it by a huge margin.....they did it against very good competition. I definitely agree that the Horizon League is a terrifying league...oops, there I did it again...the Horizon League is a very respectable league...  |
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Post by MarkMiller on Mar 30, 2010 10:48:44 GMT -6
Player Rankings, by their very nature, are wrong. How can they ever be 100 percent correct?
Though it generates a ton of interest on our site, it's the least favorite thing I do because of all the variables involved in doing it.
That said, Milwaukee has a pair of really good players coming next year in Kyle Kelm and Evan Richard. You know that already, but I think the upside and intangibles for both are just outstanding. Quality kids, quality players.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 30, 2010 15:33:52 GMT -6
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Post by nohopspanther on Mar 30, 2010 22:17:44 GMT -6
Terrifying was the absolute correct term for Butler next year, the only reason you see a Wright St, Detroit, Milwaukee hanging with Butler is because conference teams know one anothers systems so well and get to play so often that the games are tougher. You see it in every conference, every year.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 30, 2010 22:21:22 GMT -6
Did the Panthers seem terrified of Butler in the league semis before Ant Hill was felled by foul problems?
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Post by Super King on Mar 30, 2010 22:47:27 GMT -6
Terrifying was the absolute correct term for Butler next year, the only reason you see a Wright St, Detroit, Milwaukee hanging with Butler is because conference teams know one anothers systems so well and get to play so often that the games are tougher. You see it in every conference, every year. You just listed three teams in the Horizon League that you admit can "hang with" and perhaps defeat Butler. That's not particularly frightening. |
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