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Post by famouspnthrfan on Aug 13, 2006 19:23:02 GMT -6
This tournament confuses me...especially after reading the journal sentinel. How do all these games only count as 1...does that mean they won't all reflect on our schedule? I feel like we've talked about this before, but I can't remember
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Post by milwsport on Aug 13, 2006 23:32:42 GMT -6
The NCAA limits the number of games a team can play during the season. What is meant here is that the tourney is exempt from that and will only count as 1 game instead of four games against the number we can play during the regular season.
Our record in those games will however count in the RIP, SOS rankings etc.
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Post by famouspnthrfan on Aug 15, 2006 20:21:14 GMT -6
thanks for the clarification
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Post by Pantherholic on Aug 18, 2006 22:56:24 GMT -6
not that anyone on here has complained about the teams in our tourney but in case anyone does complain, just tell them who GB is hosting for their annual craptastic tourney...
Jacksonville State - (181 RPI, 16-13 overall, lose 3 starters including 2 of their top 3 scorers)
Bowling Green - (256 RPI, 9-21 overall, lose 2 starters)
Michigan Tech - (Division 2 and finished 4th in their division in the GLIAC and was a 6th in their conference tourney last year)
sad.
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Post by milwsport on Aug 19, 2006 11:45:07 GMT -6
Hmmm sounds like Marquette's annual extravaganza
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Post by mubasketball on Aug 20, 2006 0:46:51 GMT -6
That's very funny. If you don't know how things work, dont talk. That simple
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Post by PantherU on Aug 20, 2006 2:54:03 GMT -6
Sport knows a lot more than you ever will about basketball, especially these tournaments.
He is merely alluding to the fact that Marquette's home schedule includes such Final 4 Favorites as Delaware State, Lewis, East Washington, and Winthrop. Oops! You lost to Winthrop.
Don't just come on our board and be an asshole. You're not going to find a fight here, so either pack your bags, or come up with some posts that don't command long-standing members to shut up.
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Post by famouspnthrfan on Aug 20, 2006 7:46:50 GMT -6
Go back to your message board mu....we don't post here for your pleasure...so don't tell us how to run it
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Post by mubasketball on Aug 20, 2006 9:21:18 GMT -6
Yes we did lose to Winthrop. They also almost beat Alabama and Memphis on the road, as well as Tennessee in the tourny.
Yawn, I'm honestly not here to start trouble. We can rip on each other on our respective boards, fine. All I'm saying is, if you dont understand how things work, dont talk. Saying that milwsport knows more about it than me, well I doubt it lets just say that. All I'm saying is the Blue & Gold Classic is not an exempt tournament. These dont count as one game, they count as two. Unlike Maui, Great Alaska Shootout, Guardian's Classic, as well as the John Thompson Classic you guys are hosting. These are exempt and do not count against a team's non-conference numbers. Marquette, Green Bay, and any other team that simply hosts a holiday tournament will never get big, household names to give up road games to come play in a tournament. Teams all over have these tournaments and they always have crappy teams, maybe a good mid-major team. For example, Marquette got Kent State two years ago, which I would hope we would agree is a fine program. Last year, Rice and Winthrop were in the tournament. I don't consider those crappy programs by any means.
This year Northwestern State, North Dakota State, and Princeton are in the tournament. Ask Iowa how crappy NW State is. Ask Wisconsin how crappy ND State is. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going off saying these are great teams. They both had a big upset last year. But again, given the fact you cant get big-name teams, these are intriguing teams anyway.
So thats my only point. Regardless, a lot of MU fans could care less about the B&G Classic anyway. I think it keeps going because of how long its been running. Besides, they are in the CBE Classic this year (formerly Guardians Classic), and will likely go to Kansas City to play Duke, Stanford, or Texas Tech. I'd call that a good tournament. Next year Maui. It isn't like MU is afraid of the finest competition they can find in a tournament setting.
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Post by Pantherholic on Aug 20, 2006 9:45:17 GMT -6
This year Northwestern State, North Dakota State, and Princeton are in the tournament. Ask Iowa how crappy NW State is. Ask Wisconsin how crappy ND State is. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going off saying these are great teams. They both had a big upset last year. But again, given the fact you cant get big-name teams, these are intriguing teams anyway. what exactly is intriguing about NW State this year? they lose 7 seniors and of that, 4 starters and 5 of their top 6 scorers. plus the game isn't being played on a neutral court which puts more odds against them. i'm sure MU fans are spinning this game to hold some relevance but NW State seems poised to have a "one-year wonder" label slapped on them. |
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Post by mubasketball on Aug 20, 2006 9:50:25 GMT -6
Sorry, I thought I made it clear that no team will get good teams to come to their non-exempt tournaments. So if thats the case, why not get teams that made a name for themselves in the NCAA Tournament last year, or had a big non-conference win. NW State beat Iowa, ND State came to the Kohl and beat Wisconsin. One hit wonder? Most likely. So what, if you cant get good teams at least get teams with at least minor appeal given those wins last year. Nobody is saying this is some super strong field. All I'm saying is you can't get much better competition given the circumstances.
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Post by mubasketball on Aug 20, 2006 9:52:02 GMT -6
No, not spinning the game to hold much relevance at all. We have plenty of games to do that. Annual showdown with Wisconsin, basically any Big East game, and College Gameday at the BC against Pittsburgh. I'd call those big games. So we have a crappy non-conference tournament every year, so what. Our schedule is more than tough enough.
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Post by milwsport on Aug 20, 2006 11:01:29 GMT -6
MU always seems to have a crappy non conference schedule. I can recall going to see games against Florida A & M, Sacred Heart, Grambling, Fairfield, Arkansas Pine Bluff etc. etc. etc. Your conference chooses who you play in the season, but a program like MU has choices schools like UWM don't have.
Good teams from high mid majors like George Mason, Witchita, Missouri State, etc plus not a few majors would love to play a school with MU's basketball rep. But then what would Delaware State do?
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Post by teddyp00 on Aug 20, 2006 11:05:10 GMT -6
MU does normally play a pretty weak non conference schedule, but it is true that is hard to get qualty teams for a non-exempt tourny.
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Post by mubasketball on Aug 20, 2006 11:30:49 GMT -6
MU always seems to have a crappy non conference schedule. I can recall going to see games against Florida A & M, Sacred Heart, Grambling, Fairfield, Arkansas Pine Bluff etc. etc. etc. Your conference chooses who you play in the season, but a program like MU has choices schools like UWM don't have. Good teams from high mid majors like George Mason, Witchita, Missouri State, etc plus not a few majors would love to play a school with MU's basketball rep. But then what would Delaware State do? I find it laughable that many on here bash MU's non-conference schedule. All I ever hear is Delaware State and Florida A&M references. Let's look at it another way. '04-'05 -> Played Delaware St, Coppin St, and IPFW...but also Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nebraska. '03-'04 -> Played Grambling, Florida A&M, and Sacred Heart...but also Wisconsin, Notre Dame, and Arizona. '02-'03 -> Played Grambling, Elon, and Texas-San Antonio...but also Notre Dame, Villanova, Wisconsin, and Wake Forest. --- Now, lets look at some of the upcoming non-conference opponents for two power programs: UNC: Gardner Webb, High Point, Florida Atlantic UConn: Quinnipiac, Coppin State, Sacred Heart --- Also, your constant Delaware State references must mean Marquette was the only high major to play them? Well, lets look at some teams they played last year: UCLA, Kent State, Rutgers, Wichita State, Michigan, Bradley, Marquette, and Maryland. --- Small teams like that go to places like Marquette for the huge payday that funds their athletic departments. It's called a buy game. They go to get beat, and head home with some $$$. That's why big programs always play these small teams. Take a break from the rigors of some big non-conference games, and very difficult power conference schedules. UWM can't schedule Grambling, Elon, Delaware State, etc. because you guys dont have a good enough conference to make a name for yourselves and solidify an at-large NCAA birth. Therefore, you need to find games anywhere on the road against a big name team with the hope of scoring an upset and padding your resume come Selection Sunday. Once you do this, you then point to Marquette's schedule and rejoice at how much more competetive UWM's is. In actuality, thats the way it has to be. Izzo put together the toughest non-conference schedules imaginable a few years ago and after the season said he would never do that again. I apologize for my long rant, I'm just trying to get you people to realize how things work. And teddyp, you are correct. It is very difficult to do. |
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