John Thompson Foundation Classic

[mubasketball]

Black Panther, CHILL OUT! Wow. I'm sorry, I don't recall anything I've posted yet as degrading UWM. I came in peace to give some input on how scheduling works since this board constatly bashes MU's schedule, for some reason.

I said I like your team, support them, and hope for the best. I asked why there is such a hatred on this board for Marquette (and dont say there isn't, I saw plenty of "F*ck Marquette" t-shirts). I thought I'd compliment you guys and see why you guys have the feelings you do. The series will be starting up that everybody wanted, what more needs to be done?

You disagree that UWM fans cheered against Marquette during their Final Four run, I disagree that MU fans cheer against UWM and "look down their noses" at you guys.

[milwsport]

It used to be that just about everyone at UWM wished MU well. During the Mc Guire days, when I lived in the Dorms, the TV lounge was filled with dormies cheering every MU basket during its tourney runs

In the recent past, however, things have changed. We've seen MU fans root for the other side in tourney after tourney. I personally saw it when we played Notre Dame in Indy. I also saw it on TV last year during a local news report from Goolsby's. We read Crean's remarks that UW Madison is the only D 1 team worth playing.

We've had MU fans posting on our own forum, and many of them in ignorant ways. One of them even told a stalwart fan he had discredited his military service because he didn't believe Crean.

Then there were the posts here that we should consider ourselves lucky to be offered a 4 for 1 deal, Add into that Crean's unilateral announcement that we have a 4 for 1 deal, like our staff has no say in the matter instead of having both schools comment together. The list goes on and on.

For years, most of us supported Marquette. Many of us attended games, bought the fan ware etc. And then when we start to come into our own, instead of being happy for us, most (not all but most) MU fans told us we are inferior, not worthy to play Marquette, a bad school etc. etc.

What you've seen from today's students is a natural reaction to all of that. It's their crude way of saying "So you think we stink, aren't worthy playing, and have a lousy university huh? Well F**K you!"

Don't take that to mean that all or even most UWM fans feel that way, we don't. But don't take THAT to mean, we care about MU the way we used to, because we don't.

[mubasketball]

If you really believe that to be the case then I can see where your coming from.

I would assume there are possibly some jealous MU fans that UWM is making noise in the city that completely belonged to them (from a basketball standpoint). Likewise, some UWM fans are jealous that they will never get the attention or support of MU. It cuts both ways.

If this were a normal late August of years past I wouldn't think much about it. But with the recent announcement of the series starting, I really thought the smack would stop since MU is not, after all, "afraid" of UWM. Bashing Crean for his comments in the paper is ridiculous. He commented on the 4-for-1 deal, stating it was the standard set when UWM agreed to the same series with UW. If its not fair, then why agree to UW's in the first place then? Also, the fact that UWM's coaches were not quoted in the paper means they were not asked. I'm sure had they been asked they would have spoken. That's certainly no fault of Crean's. (Speaking of UWM's coaches, a lot of MU fans think very highly of Rob Jeter. You got a good coach and a class guy!. It's no coincidence that the series starts once he takes over and that loud-mouth Pearl is gone.)

OK well thanks for the feedback. I was just curious. I'll stay on the MU boards until our game approaches next season, then I'll be back for some fun jabs! Good luck to your squad.

[uwmfutbol]

The problem with marquette and UWM is that you have people on both sides constantly antagonizing the other school's/team's students/fans (i.e.) uwm is a tier 4 school, marquette is a waste of money etc. Furthermore, when you add recent success on UWM's side, some MU fans are going to be jealous that they're not the only team in town anymore, but you're also going to have UWM fans talking trash (unfortunately, most of it was unwarranted; when UWM went to the sweet 16 I remember people were saying marquette was going to go downhill and UWM would take over). It's a mess and it's really annoying for someone like me, who follows UWM, wisconsin, and marquette.

The good news is that most fans tend to root for both teams, unless of course, they're playing against each other

I would reserve the trash talking for when UWM and marquette are actually playing and it's actually a rivalry--like UW and marquette

That's my two cents.

[happynelson]

It is understood the Marquette is not Wisconsin. Doubtful the Panthers would sign the same contract with the Badgers again. Even more doubtful they would ever sign one with the Gold.

[uwmfutbol]

Now that UWM can sign with respectable teams and get decent deals, I sincerely doubt they would sign a 4-1 with madison or marquette. It's just not worth it in my opinion. A game at the kohl center or bradley center is all but a guaranteed loss for the majority of the teams in the country.

[milwsport]

It isn't that Crean said it's the same deal that we have with UW (which it isn't btw), it's that he announced it was agreed to when it wasn't. Normally in an event like this, both schools make a joint announcement. It's common courtesy.

He suckered the press into thinking both UWM and UW-GB had agreed to this when neither had. They should have checked, they didn't and that's on them. But it doesn't excuse announcing a deal that didn't exist as if to say, we don't deserve better so of course we'lll accept and if we don't accept it, we're the bad guys. That's what rankles.

[uwmfan]

...well said Sport.

[PantherLou]

mubasketball said:

I would assume there are possibly some jealous MU fans that UWM is making noise in the city that completely belonged to them (from a basketball standpoint). Likewise, some UWM fans are jealous that they will never get the attention or support of MU. It cuts both ways.

Very true. There is ALWAYS an element of jealousy in sports rivalries, and of course, some people take it too far. Overall, I think it would be great to have a healthy rivalry with MU.

But with the recent announcement of the series starting, I really thought the smack would stop since MU is not, after all, "afraid" of UWM.

There is NO series starting. This is not meant as an attack on you personally, but MU fans need to stop taking Tom Crean's word as gospel. I can tell you, with no uncertainty, that UWM is not considering a 4-1 deal or even a 3-1 deal with Marquette. (a 3-1 could happen, but it would require more funds than MU is willing to give). Seriously, this series is a LONG way from happening, despite what you may have heard. Again, not an attack - just wish the facts were put out there.

Bashing Crean for his comments in the paper is ridiculous. He commented on the 4-for-1 deal, stating it was the standard set when UWM agreed to the same series with UW. If its not fair, then why agree to UW's in the first place then? Also, the fact that UWM's coaches were not quoted in the paper means they were not asked. I'm sure had they been asked they would have spoken. That's certainly no fault of Crean's.

You are correct. It is the fault of Gary Howard and the Journal Sentinal. They are 100% at fault here for taking 1/2 of a negotiation and reporting it as fact. They made no effort to contact UWM to confirm, and that is beyond terrible. Unfortunately, this has resulted in a rumor being now widely considered as fact. The JS should be ashamed, they should print something to this effect, but I won’t be holding my breath.

OK well thanks for the feedback. I was just curious. I'll stay on the MU boards until our game approaches next season, then I'll be back for some fun jabs! Good luck to your squad.

Even if we don’t play (which I doubt we will), feel free to stop back. All should be in good fun – this is NOT life and death!

(or is it…… )

[franklinthefuture]

Basketball aside, one things for damn sure, Everybody in Milwaukee Knows that the East side and UWM parties way harder than those downtown douche bags. ill take our more exciting non con schedule, our 26,000 students (to mu"s 10 to 12 or somethin) and hotter less stuck up b****es. There i said it. UWM 06 07 Whooooooo!!!!!

[Big D]

franklinthefuture said:

...hotter less stuck up b****es.

After looking at your cheerleaders and dance team, I'm not sure there would be much to support this assertion....

[pantherdon]

So going by that logic, your whole school is all a bunch of chumps like of you?

[PantherLou]

franklinthefuture said:

Basketball aside, one things for damn sure, Everybody in Milwaukee Knows that the East side and UWM parties way harder than those downtown douche bags. ill take our more exciting non con schedule, our 26,000 students (to mu"s 10 to 12 or somethin) and hotter less stuck up b****es. There i said it. UWM 06 07 Whooooooo!!!!!

Wow, you make a great spokesman for the university!

[Pantherholic]

bigd said:

After looking at your cheerleaders and dance team, I'm not sure there would be much to support this assertion....

yes b/c the only way one can determine how hot girls are on a campus is through the cheerleading squad. by this logic, UIC has the dumbest and most undisciplined students at their school based on their men's basketball team.

[Big D]

pantherholic said:

bigd said:

After looking at your cheerleaders and dance team, I'm not sure there would be much to support this assertion....

yes b/c the only way one can determine how hot girls are on a campus is through the cheerleading squad. by this logic, UIC has the dumbest and most undisciplined students at their school based on their men's basketball team.

leave it to me to get a thread off-topic, but that is bad logic there 'holic...

cheerleaders tend to be more attractive than the average student....look at 99% of cheerleading squads....in professional sports, in HS, and in college. If your cheerleaders could give Sloth a run for his money in an ugliest-man competition, then I think it's only fair to say that you can't expect much from the rest of the student body.

With athletes, they are known to be dumber than the average student...so they are not a good representation of the rest of the student body's intellect. But if that's the logic you're using than you probably don't want to hear that UWM's graduation rate for men's basketball is the worst in the HL (yes, even lower than UIC's)....