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Post by aknowsense on Mar 22, 2006 13:07:34 GMT -6
So what if he's dissapointed for not getting the job? Who cares if he turned the job down?? How many of you here have jobs and went and interviewed for other jobs while working at your current job. How many of those jobs didn't you get, and how many were you dissapointed that you didn't get, you wouldn't even have bothered if you didn't want the job right??? But to this event who cares what happened the only thing that matters is the end result. Jeter stays here and Northern Iowa loses a coach to a team that Northern Iowa is better than, that's the big story in my view.
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Post by Panther 106 on Mar 22, 2006 13:07:35 GMT -6
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Post by teddyp00 on Mar 22, 2006 13:14:10 GMT -6
This is nothing more than a he said, she said situation. If you want to believe what Pollard said Jeter said thats fine. If you want to quote the current timelines thats fine. If you followed it from Monday evening to what is out there right now you would know that stories were pulled and changed over that time frame. ESPN's first story on ISU's new hire is no longer out there and was changed in about two hours after first release.
I'm done with this now because like it has been said, we may never know what really happened or by the time we do no one will care. I'm just happy that Jeter is still here and and now looking forward to what is said in the recruiting threads for the next few weeks.
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Post by Panther 106 on Mar 22, 2006 13:15:59 GMT -6
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damasa
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KFC: Kick From Chuck. What else do you need?
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Post by damasa on Mar 22, 2006 13:17:34 GMT -6
How many of those jobs didn't you get, and how many were you dissapointed that you didn't get, you wouldn't even have bothered if you didn't want the job right??? quote] Off topic but I think people tend to do this from time to time. They might not want a job but interview anyway. If they get offered it sometimes validates their place in a certain industry. In short, it makes people feel better about themselves because they know they are wanted by more than just the company they work for. Anyway, Jeter is here, let's look forward to next season. |
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Post by Big D on Mar 22, 2006 13:19:45 GMT -6
Big D, I'd rather you not side with me publicly in the future, for the sake of my reputation.. I'll stick with Lou, even if we disagree on minor and unimportant details. I don't know what that is supposed to mean, but that is an ignorant statement, and I would only expect it from a Panther fan.... But very well, I will not reveal any agreements with you in the future. I didn't know that you only agree with people that go to UWM. |
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Post by teddyp00 on Mar 22, 2006 13:21:00 GMT -6
Big D, while I am not positive I think he was only joking around.
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damasa
Sophomore
KFC: Kick From Chuck. What else do you need?
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Post by damasa on Mar 22, 2006 13:21:21 GMT -6
Big D, I'd rather you not side with me publicly in the future, for the sake of my reputation.. I'll stick with Lou, even if we disagree on minor and unimportant details. I don't know what that is supposed to mean, but that is an ignorant statement, and I would only expect it from a Panther fan.... But very well, I will not reveal any agreements with you in the future. I didn't know that you only agree with people that go to UWM. Oh Big D, we still like you (but only on Wednesdays) so don't fret! |
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Post by PantherLou on Mar 22, 2006 13:24:48 GMT -6
Big D, I'd rather you not side with me publicly in the future, for the sake of my reputation.. I'll stick with Lou, even if we disagree on minor and unimportant details. I don't know what that is supposed to mean, but that is an ignorant statement, and I would only expect it from a Panther fan.... But very well, I will not reveal any agreements with you in the future. I didn't know that you only agree with people that go to UWM. Psycho: The name's Francis Sawyer, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you. Leon: Ooooooh. Psycho: You just made the list, buddy. Also, I don't like no one touching my stuff. So just keep your meathooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. And I don't like nobody touching me. Any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you. Sergeant Hulka: Lighten up, Francis. |
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 22, 2006 13:36:47 GMT -6
Here's my opinion on the time-line. Jeter met with Pollard on Monday and interviewed. Pollard extended an "unofficial" offer to Jeter and Jeter said he needed to think it over.
Monday night, Jeter goes to discuss the situation with Bud. bud gives Jeter what he's asking for, including a raise and an extension, as well as the items listed in the media regarding practice privacy, etc.
Jeter calls JP and says, "thanks, but no thanks". JP calls McDermott, who he knows will take the job, and extends and "official" offer. He takes it and informs NIU of his intentions.
Why the "unofficial" and "official" offers are important is the same reason you never ask a question in court you don't already know the answer to.
JP didn't extend an "official" offer because he didn't know if Jeter would accept. If Jeter declined, there is plausible deniability for ISU, and thus the selection of McDermott does not look like the "second" choice. Also, ISU does not have to diffuse the idea that Milwaukee was more attractive for Jeter than ISU was. Horizon vs Big 12 complex.
Furthermore, JP doesn't look bad with his peers. Jeter is aware of how important JP's reputation is as a first time AD in a high profile situation, and would give JP the wiggle room necessary to save face.
Finally, Jeter will not bat an eyelash about JP's statements regarding his disappointment because they are important to the overall spin story, and have almost no impact on Jeter himself. What does anyone care if he was disappointed or not. Jeter never said he was, and he can say "well, I'm sure Jamie feels that way, but i am extremely happy to be in Milwaukee, blah blah blah."
Remember, splitting hairs in the media is VERY important. It all depends on "what the meaning of 'is' is", after all.
Long story short, Jeter said no thanks, but in a very private way to spare the reputation of his friend Jamie, and ISU, and at the same time got more out of UWM. This was shrewd and good for Robbie, UWM, Pollard and ISU. All parties win, which is the best possible outcome.
Just my little Oliver Stone scenario.
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Post by Panther 106 on Mar 22, 2006 13:49:40 GMT -6
Big D, I'm just having fun. We are in agreement over this issue.
Nighthawk, Explain the 7am call to Jeter from Pollard.
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 22, 2006 13:57:59 GMT -6
According to the Des Moines Register, McDermott was the only coach offered the job. It was extended to him late Monday, just before midnight, and his hiring was announced Tuesday.
"Coach Jeter and I spoke this morning," Pollard told the Register of a 7 a.m. telephone conversation he had Tuesday. "It was hard; he's a very close, personal friend of mine
The 7 AM call was "made" on Tuesday morning. there may have been a call, and I'm sure there was, but I think JP already knew Jeter said no.
The offer to McDermott was made around Midnight Monday, which would fit the "Jeter talked to Bud and said no" hypothesis.
I don't pretend to know any more than anyone else as absolute fact, but the story coming from ISU makes no sense if you lay it all out.
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Post by Panther 106 on Mar 22, 2006 14:07:05 GMT -6
7 am Tuesday morning:
Pollard calls Jeter to ask him how his morning coffee tastes. Then asks if he is, "still turning the job down because I made an offer to McDermott at Midnight and he accepted". They then conspire on how to spin the story to make ISU look as good as possible. Rob suggests that "maybe you should say I was very dissapointed", Jaime agrees and they end the conversation. Rob bites into a bagel.
Is that the verision you would have us all believe?
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damasa
Sophomore
KFC: Kick From Chuck. What else do you need?
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Post by damasa on Mar 22, 2006 14:12:16 GMT -6
Is that the verision you would have us all believe? Who cares, the man has an opinion as to what happened. Who is to say that a call was made at 7 a.m. in the first place? Because an article said so? We should not take everything we read as fact. |
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 22, 2006 14:19:38 GMT -6
I suppose McDermott wasn't caleed until Midnight because Pollard lost his number. He had 6 hours to call him, but didn't until midnight? Unlikely, if you ask me. Why was he waiting? Was he making up his mind? Maybe, but why not call in the morning on Tuesday? no one else had interviewed McDermott yet as far as I can tell, and they weren't going to interview him between midnight and 8 Tuesday morning. Was JP just slow on the uptake? I doubt it. I think he heard from Robbie at about 11:30 PM Monday that robbie wasn't biting. Then it was on to Plan B. Why would UWM give Jeter a bump and extension that night, if there wasn't an "unnoficial" offer on the table? They could have done that on Tuesday or Wednesday. Jeter wasn't going anywhere, if you believe the spin. And why refer to it as " Jeter Satying Put as Men's Coach" and " Jeter not Leaving UWM" if he wasn't given the chance to leave in the first place. Wouldn't the headline read " Jeter Not Offered ISU Position - Remains at UWM"? If i don't invite you to a party, do you tell everyone that you decided to stay home for the night, or do you say you aren't going because you weren't invited?  The facts are: Jeter Interviewed Monday afternoon in Madison. All reports until 7 PM were that Jeter had the job provided there were no complications. Jeter met with Bud Monday night. Jeter got a raise Monday night. McDermott was made an offer at Midnight on Monday, after Jeter met with Bud and got a raise. Jeter announced Tuesday morning that he was "staying", but denied an "official" offer, which of course is factually accurate in the literal. |
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