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Post by lang on Dec 16, 2004 19:12:38 GMT -6
www.madison.com/tct/sports/uw/basketball/men/index.php?ntid=21452&nt_adsect=editA good Bruce Pearl Article in Capitol times Pretty sad to see an article like this in a madison paper and an article like hunts in a milwaukee paper Heres my favorite excerpt especially the part in bold That was his segue - his opportunity "to get on my soap box" - to express his disapproval of Tyrone Willingham's firing at Notre Dame. "Yeah, that did bother me," Pearl said. "It bothers me when coaches leave before their contracts are up, too. By the same token, we've created a culture where coaches have to get out to stay ahead of the posse and coaches better win or they're going to get fired. I like considering we just extended his contract
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Dec 16, 2004 19:50:25 GMT -6
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Post by brettpanther17 on Dec 16, 2004 22:53:04 GMT -6
Wow... what a great article. It just proves to the state how much bruce means to all of us as students, fans and alumni together. If there is one person that keeps the student section ticking at games it is BP
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Post by lang on Dec 16, 2004 23:02:29 GMT -6
I thought it was a really good article too especially since the guy that wrote it is one of the badgers radio announcers.
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Post by Hack on Dec 17, 2004 7:15:53 GMT -6
I'm forwarding this to Hunt. Hopefully he can learn a little lesson in class and being positive for the home team. I'm clipping the "Lowly" article and sending it to him when we go to the dance. So Michael Hunt is suppose to be a "homer" and spew nothing but "u-rah-rah" for the home team? Does he get a paycheck from UWM for doing that? Didn't think so. |
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Dec 17, 2004 7:41:21 GMT -6
Hack, you're right. I knew I'd get ripped for that - it didn't come out right.
Just thought he was too negative. Perhaps I'm just naive in thinking a little support wouldn't hurt. The "lowly" comment just stings me - I don't care who wrote it.
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Post by pnthr30 on Dec 17, 2004 7:54:55 GMT -6
The lack of support is one thing (after all, you need to earn support/respect).............but the title of Hunt's article is more along the lines of bashing........which is not necessary IMHO. If you want to bash/be hard on people/teams, it is only fair that you also praise (obviously at the appropriate time), and we all know that the praise from the J/S (much less Hunt) is very minimal. For those journalists out there, you know that headlines are key - many people only read the headlines - and something like what was written was a bit over the top. From Mirriam-Webster LOWLY Function: adjective Inflected Form(s): low·li·er; -est 1 : humble in manner or spirit : free from self-assertive pride 2 : not lofty or sublime : PROSAIC 3 : ranking low in some hierarchy 4 : of or relating to a low social or economic rank 5 : low in the scale of biological or cultural evolution - low·li·ness noun To me, a team that has been to two consecutive post seasons, won a conference regular season title or won a conference tournament title in each of the past two years, is currently 6-2 (with decent wins) is hardly lowly. To me, lowly is Lewis, UWSP, Western Carolina, Illinois State, Sam Houston State, Kent State, Oakland, Delaware State, South Dakota State, Coppin State, IUPU -Fort Wayne - ohh wait, that is the majority of MU's non conference schedule, my bad.  Sorry, I couldn't resist........but to be fair, I think that Prairie View, UW Parkside, SDSU (all on UWM's schedule) could also be considered lowly...........Anyways, you get my point. Lowly is a pretty harsh word to have in large bold print and is just not warranted at this point in time - if UWM is 0-8, that is one thing, but we are 6-2 for crying out loud.  |
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Post by Hack on Dec 17, 2004 8:02:20 GMT -6
But we all know that word "lowly" is going to cost UWM a few recruits down the road. |
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Post by Hack on Dec 17, 2004 8:06:36 GMT -6
If you want to bash/be hard on people/teams, it is only fair that you also praise (obviously at the appropriate time), and we all know that the praise from the J/S (much less Hunt) is very minimal. Minimal? C'mon, show me a time in the past couple years where the JS hasn't been praiseworthy toward UWM when we've deserved it. Man, I'm starting to sound like an MU fan here .... Who's got the paddles? I think I'm having a cardiac. |
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Post by pnthr30 on Dec 17, 2004 8:15:05 GMT -6
Recruits.......probably not. But, it will likely cost us some "casual" fans who just want to see some basketball or are looking for something to do - a market that we need to attract.
"Hmm, who should I go watch the Bucks?........no, to expensive. UWM?...........no, they must not be very good, I don't see/read about them a lot and the last thing I saw was not complimentary......I will just go to an MU game."
This is a very simplified, exagerated example, but you get my point. Headlines like this do nothing but hurt the already meager perception of UWM in the public at large. I don't have a problem with "calling it like it is", but UWM is not lowly in any sense of the word (basketball, athletics in general, academics, research, etc.)........the problem is that many people do/don't want to realize this - and people like Hunt are not doing anything but magnifying the already tainted image. I know you don't agree with anyone in the media blowing UWM's horn - and I can see your point, and agree with you to a point, I just don't think it is fair that they go to the other end of the specturm and drag UWM back anytime there is a bump in the road.
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Post by pnthr30 on Dec 17, 2004 8:22:39 GMT -6
Minimal? C'mon, show me a time in the past couple years where the JS hasn't been praiseworthy toward UWM when we've deserved it. Man, I'm starting to sound like an MU fan here .... Who's got the paddles? I think I'm having a cardiac. I will admit that they have made great strides in the past year or two - and I should maybe take out the very minimal part and change it to just plain minimal (and maybe that is to strong - I will review at the end of the season  ). Remember a few years ago when UWM beat BU (a top 25 team) on the road? That got like page 7 coverage and no pic. ....... I understand that UWM is not often front page material, but weren't we just excited because we actually had a reporter at a road game? That should not be a big deal - that should be a rather common occurrance. How many non game day articles do you see about UWM (this year has been MUCH better), recruiting articles, etc..........the coverage has been much better, and is approaching average, but I still think it would be considered minimal viewing things from a big picture scope. Keep in mind, I fully understand the hieracy of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and the sports teams that draw interest - I am not asking/expecting to be #1, or #2, but a consistent #3 (with an occassional slip into #2) story would be great. |
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Post by lang on Dec 17, 2004 8:30:43 GMT -6
I wonder if that was the first time hunt had seen us play all year? We all know from watching the previous games that this team is a lot better than that. I am also a UW fan and watching them the other night they did not play overwhelming defense, we had open shots, we just missed and it was a fairly decent game except for the last five minutes.
My point is that i dont think a writer who has watched us all season would write an article like that and so if he didnt he shouldnt be writing the article thats all
If Manoyan had wrote it i would think well thats how we look over the season.
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Post by Hack on Dec 17, 2004 8:36:07 GMT -6
How many DI mid-major teams playing in a somewhat large media market have a reporter travel on the road with them?
Heck, the Press-Gazette doesn't even have a reporter on the road for UWGB and they are the No. 2 team in town.
Would you rather be in UIC's position? Their recent success has been greater than UWM's and they can barely get a sniff of the Chicago media. Even moreso most times their games on the radio are on a tape-delayed basis ... not even live.
Bottom line is ... Interest/attendance dictates the coverage. When we start drawing 8,000-9,000 per game, then the expectations of more media coverage can be met.
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Post by pnthr30 on Dec 17, 2004 8:56:08 GMT -6
I know what you are saying Hack, I honestly do, I am just tyring to push the envelope a little. The situation UWM is in (somewhat large market for a mid-major team) is a very difficult one. However, when you become complacent, nothing ever changes. I understand that this is not something that is going to change overnight, but being on the gound level, we must continue to stive for more.......
Just as some of the games we play are "over our head", what is the harm in trying to get coverage that is "over our head"? Every little bit of reminding that the J/S (or any media for that matter) gets helps them realize that there are people interested.
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Dec 17, 2004 9:13:49 GMT -6
The Brewers are lowly.  Are the 8-5 division leading Packers lowly because they got crushed on the road against Philly? The Panthers are not lowly. A buddy of mine on this board has a perfect quote that describes sportswriters like Hunt. I hope he posts it. |
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Sorry, I couldn't resist........but to be fair, I think that Prairie View, UW Parkside, SDSU (all on UWM's schedule) could also be considered lowly...........Anyways, you get my point. Lowly is a pretty harsh word to have in large bold print and is just not warranted at this point in time - if UWM is 0-8, that is one thing, but we are 6-2 for crying out loud. 
). Remember a few years ago when UWM beat BU (a top 25 team) on the road? That got like page 7 coverage and no pic. ....... I understand that UWM is not often front page material, but weren't we just excited because we actually had a reporter at a road game? That should not be a big deal - that should be a rather common occurrance. How many non game day articles do you see about UWM (this year has been MUCH better), recruiting articles, etc..........the coverage has been much better, and is approaching average, but I still think it would be considered minimal viewing things from a big picture scope. Keep in mind, I fully understand the hieracy of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and the sports teams that draw interest - I am not asking/expecting to be #1, or #2, but a consistent #3 (with an occassional slip into #2) story would be great. 