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Post by Guido13 on Dec 17, 2004 11:05:26 GMT -6
Hack, you're right. I knew I'd get ripped for that - it didn't come out right. Just thought he was too negative. Perhaps I'm just naive in thinking a little support wouldn't hurt. The "lowly" comment just stings me - I don't care who wrote it. Just want to clear up the fact that the writer doesn't write the headline, Michael Hunt had absolutly nothing to do with the word lowly being in the headline. If you don't like that particular comment you need to complain to the copy editors, they write all of the headlines. I've only glanced at the column and couldn't find anything that wasn't true about it and I am a huge UWM fan. Either way it wasn't Hunt who decided to call UWM lowly in the headline so you can't hold it against him. |
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Dec 17, 2004 11:09:35 GMT -6
Don't care who wrote the headline, it's not appropriate.
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Post by uwmfan on Dec 17, 2004 12:03:48 GMT -6
I hope that all of you who've thought out this coverage issue have done more than b**** about it here. Each opinion expressed here is a valid one; however it does NONE of us (and more importantly the University and the program) to simply vent it here.
I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it again; if you don't like the headline, write to the paper/editor. If we get good press, thank them the same way.
Much like politics, if an issue arises and no voices are heard on the subject, it is likely to die by the wayside. The voices tend to be more numerous in the sporting world, so it's ever more important that we are voicing our opinions consistently, eloquently and honestly.
Having been here at the University for over 20 years (as student and staff member), way too much energy has been spent b****ing but not taking action.
It's great to see the discussion here. Just keep pushing it to those that need to hear it outside the comfort of this website!
peace to you all...
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Post by dylanrocks on Dec 17, 2004 12:15:07 GMT -6
Having been a sportswriter myself, I can say with confidence that too many sports columnists are like soldiers that hide up in the hills, then come down from the hillside after the war is over and shoot the dead. Michael Hunt is one of these; Dale Hoffman is not. Hoffman will tell you what's going to happen BEFORE it happens (i.e. -- "We'll see if the attendance from the two NIT games in Milwaukee will exceed what it would be for a UWM-Marquette game). You will never see Hunt go out on a limb like this BEFORE the game is played. Instead, he waits in the weeds, awaiting his chance to pounce. Period.
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Post by bball30 on Dec 17, 2004 12:24:01 GMT -6
First off, any headline after that game was appropriate. UWM got spanked. 37 points, on 26% shooting?? LOWLY! Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan, however at the same time I am a realist. Also, in the life of the mid-major, ANY headline/coverage, is GOOD coverage. But hey, BRING ON KANSAS!! lets be real here for one second. Before we "bring on kansas" we need to beat someone with an RPI under 95. Just my two cents.
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Post by dylanrocks on Dec 17, 2004 12:31:20 GMT -6
No, you're absolutely and completely wrong! Headlines like this are very harmful to a program that's fighting an uphill battle for respect (by the way, I hope everyone here realizes that it's highly unlikely that Hunt wrote or even proposed the headline). We do NOT deserve to be called lowly after averaging 20 wins a year over the last three years and making back-to-back postseason appearances, posting our first-ever postseason win. If the headline writer meant to say lowly performance, then that's how it should have read. The implication -- intended or not -- is that we're a lowly team. Bull!
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Post by Hack on Dec 17, 2004 12:40:00 GMT -6
No, you're absolutely and completely wrong! Headlines like this are very harmful to a program that's fighting an uphill battle for respect (by the way, I hope everyone here realizes that it's highly unlikely that Hunt wrote or even proposed the headline). Having worked at the JS in the Sports dept., I can tell you that you are wrong. Reporters and columnists do not suggest or write headlines. Headlines are written by copy editors and other deskers who know where the story is being placed on the page (i.e. vertical or horizontal layout) and how many columns the story is over (i.e. one column, two columns, three columns) and how many decks it has (i.e. two, three, four). bball30 is right. The performance on Wednesday was "lowly" and fits appropriately with the story. Anyone who doesn't think so frankly IMHO needs to put down the Kool-Aid. |
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Post by pnthr30 on Dec 17, 2004 12:41:43 GMT -6
No, you're absolutely and completely wrong! Headlines like this are very harmful to a program that's fighting an uphill battle for respect (by the way, I hope everyone here realizes that it's highly unlikely that Hunt wrote or even proposed the headline). I agree 100% If the headline writer meant to say lowly performance, then that's how it should have read. The implication -- intended or not -- is that we're a lowly team. Bull! EXACTLY! |
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Post by pnthr30 on Dec 17, 2004 12:43:33 GMT -6
Having worked at the JS in the Sports dept., I can tell you that you are wrong. Reporters and columnists do not suggest or write headlines. Headlines are written by copy editors and other deskers who know where the story is being placed on the page (i.e. vertical or horizontal layout) and how many columns the story is over (i.e. one column, two columns, three columns) and how many decks it has (i.e. two, three, four). bball30 is right. The performance on Wednesday was "lowly" and fits appropriately with the story. Anyone who doesn't think so frankly IMHO needs to put down the Kool-Aid. I think we are all in agreement here...................Hunt did not write the headline. I also think we are all in agreement that the performance on Wednesday was lowly.........the point here is that the headline (thus the perception generated by the John Q. Public) indicates that UWM, as a program is lowly - which just is not the case. Again, I don't have a real "issue" with the article, or how it was written, my beef is with the title and what it conveys. We are all entitled to our own opinions, just like Hunt is.  |
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Post by Hack on Dec 17, 2004 12:44:16 GMT -6
Well then I guess that's the "excuse" we can use when only 2,500 show up for the Detroit game. We can blame the JS and the word "lowly."
It's that blasted media's fault! I mean, our university goes above and beyond to promote its team, so it couldn't possibly be them, could it?
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Post by dylanrocks on Dec 17, 2004 12:46:46 GMT -6
Hack, check again. What I wrote was that it is highly UNLIKELY that Hunt wrote or even prosposed the headline. As UWM fan suggested, we need to stop nit-picking and ranting at each other and channel our energy in a different direction. It's great to see everyone cares so much.
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Post by bball30 on Dec 17, 2004 12:48:21 GMT -6
I don't think in anyway was he referring to UWM's last 3 years as lowly, but rather just the performance against madison. Lets face it, as a team "built on offense and pressuer defense" UWM didn't do either of those against madison, in my opinion, lowly. ALSO until we are beating the likes of the rest of the horizon consistantly infront of 7,000 people there is nothing to complain about in coverage. Be happy the university gets a headline.
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Post by NickHansenHottie on Dec 17, 2004 12:50:45 GMT -6
This whole discussion is not needed.
The team played aweful and Hunt or whoever should be able to write whatever he/they want to.
Quite frankly, after that performance, I think the word lowly was being too easy on the team.
And also, saying that the attendance for the Detroit game will be down because of that headline is incorrect and just plain dumb. If attendance is down, it will be because the team sucked it up, not because of any headline.
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Post by Hack on Dec 17, 2004 12:55:11 GMT -6
Hack, check again. What I wrote was that it is highly UNLIKELY that Hunt wrote or even prosposed the headline. As UWM fan suggested, we need to stop nit-picking and ranting at each other and channel our energy in a different direction. It's great to see everyone cares so much. Sorry, my bad. Didn't see that "un."  |
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Post by dylanrocks on Dec 17, 2004 12:57:24 GMT -6
No problem, Hack. We're all fighting the same battle here.
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