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Post by TBone on Mar 13, 2024 8:35:27 GMT -6
life happens dude. I moved to another region of the country for years. But you still FOLLOW the team, right? I'm not talking about going to games. I'm talking about people who tell me that they literally dropped the team altogether (and in all instances this had nothing whatsoever to do with 2016). I just can't imagine doing this; it's my SCHOOL! Help me understand. Not all fans are as devoted as you are, my friend. Heck, half the people on this message board aren't as devoted as you. I have many friends from school that still live in Milwaukee and follow when things are good and forget about the team when things aren't going well. It's one of the reasons we struggle with overall relevance, maintaining a fan base and getting attendance at any particular game.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 13, 2024 10:12:18 GMT -6
We have a very self defeatist culture with respect to sports. Even during the glory years, the program received more respect nationally than locally under the shadows of Madison.
Nothing this century has changed that. We developed unprecedented momentum in the first few years, and then we hired a relatively shy, inexperienced head coach who proved incapable of keeping the momentum going. Insult was added to injury by a lame duck athletic director who locked that coach into a contract that was hard for the subsequent series of athletic directors to escape from. We shocked the world by dancing in 2014 and got slapped with an APR ban a couple of months later. We finally removed the longstanding coach but alienate donors and fans by botching the process. We hired a coach who appeared to give the program a breath of fresh air and he leaves in May for his alma matter, leaving us to scramble for a replacement from a list of leftovers. We recruited an eventual first round NBA draft pick who turns out to be a bust compounded with having a horrible coach selected from that leftover list.
And that's been just the first quarter of this century. It was no different the prior one. It's been one step forward, two steps back. Maybe one day we will get another Nancy Zimpher type who will stay longer, and lead the way to a fresh approach regarding mens' basketball. Meanwhile, we have to stay the course and keep trying to overcome the cultural malaise.
Only the loyalist of fans who are in it for life, like you GoD and many of us who read this board, are willing to take all of the gut punches and keep going. The rest are wired differently. There is nothing wrong with that. That's just the way it is.
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Post by buppie05 on Mar 13, 2024 10:39:45 GMT -6
We have a very self defeatist culture with respect to sports. Even during the glory years, the program received more respect nationally than locally under the shadows of Madison. Nothing this century has changed that. We developed unprecedented momentum in the first few years, and then we hired a relatively shy, inexperienced head coach who proved incapable of keeping the momentum going. Insult was added to injury by a lame duck athletic director who locked that coach into a contract that was hard for the subsequent series of athletic directors to escape from. We shocked the world by dancing in 2014 and got slapped with an APR ban a couple of months later. We finally removed the longstanding coach but alienate donors and fans by botching the process. We hired a coach who appeared to give the program a breath of fresh air and he leaves in May for his alma matter, leaving us to scramble for a replacement from a list of leftovers. We recruited an eventual first round NBA draft pick who turns out to be a bust compounded with having a horrible coach selected from that leftover list. And that's been just the first quarter of this century. It was no different the prior one. It's been one step forward, two steps back. Maybe one day we will get another Nancy Zimpher type who will stay longer, and lead the way to a fresh approach regarding mens' basketball. Meanwhile, we have to stay the course and keep trying to overcome the cultural malaise. Only the loyalist of fans who are in it for life, like you GoD and many of us who read this board, are willing to take all of the gut punches and keep going. The rest are wired differently. There is nothing wrong with that. That's just the way it is. Well said. 100% accurate. I love BL as our coach, but if/when he does leave, we will be fine if we stick with the right formula. Hire a proven HC from a lower level. We have enough evidence of this working much better than hiring an unproven assistant. Someone brought up how Barry Larkin from Xavier was the prior HLT points leader before BJ broke the record. Xavier used to be a mid major stepping stone. They were constantly having their coaches poached in the early to mid 2000’s. Xavier kept making the correct coaching hires, and they kept winning, and now it has come full circle for them. Somebody mentioned wishing they were around for 05 and 06. Those were great years, but we were building up to that. We were a really good team in the years prior. With the current rules, 06’ would have never happened. Most those guys would have probably hit the portal, and we would have missed that NCAA run, and likely hit that 9 win season we had the following year happen in 06’. This is a good job, believe it or not. It feels like we are building up again, now with BL at the helm. Stick with the winning formula, and we will be fine, even if BJ, BL or anyone else jets. Love BL hope he stays.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2024 10:48:17 GMT -6
Standing next to Bart last night after the game, the appreciation in his eyes was evident. That having been said, it doesn't mean he won't bolt in a few months if a job closer to his home turf becomes available. Thanks, Coach!
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 13, 2024 10:51:15 GMT -6
Standing next to Bart last night after the game, the appreciation in his eyes was evident. That having been said, it doesn't mean he won't bolt in a few months if a job closer to his home turf becomes available. Thanks, Coach! he hasn’t really won anything here yet? I’m less sold than most on Lundy, thought he got outcoached last night. We also have not gotten off end of half or game shots how many times this year?
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Post by ghostofpbj on Mar 13, 2024 11:23:12 GMT -6
Standing next to Bart last night after the game, the appreciation in his eyes was evident. That having been said, it doesn't mean he won't bolt in a few months if a job closer to his home turf becomes available. Thanks, Coach! Same here. Shook everyone’s hand and said thank you to all of us. Milwaukee is his home. His program to continue to build. If we have to be like last season and lock grandma up in a cage then so be it. We’ll build a wall around Shorewood and not let him leave. He’s our guy. Proud to have him.
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Post by ghostofvictorp on Mar 13, 2024 13:25:58 GMT -6
Great end of the season. Awesome turnaround. These Panthers may draw a lot more attention next year if we can figure out how to start the season out good and already "chemistry-meshed" or whatever was hobbling our Panthers' abilities early in the season. I made a '23-'24 highlight vid www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CoX0K5Ii0I
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 13, 2024 14:59:00 GMT -6
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 13, 2024 15:03:54 GMT -6
I am not concerned about Bart leaving now for what we or the pundits perceive as a "better" job. I am concerned about him leaving for a comparable job. None of us know what goes on in someone else's head. There are many D1 programs in and around the Carolinas. Does that feel more like home than Milwaukee? Is he more confident about recruiting in that familiar territory? Do some programs offer less restrictions when it comes to recruiting, scheduling, etc? How is the current relationship with superiors and co-workers? For his wife, is the return to Shorewood not what it was cracked up to be and were the Carolinas better in retrospect? The list of such questions could go on.
My guess is even if he would view such comparable job as "better" for him, his contractual obligation to Milwaukee would make it difficult to make a move at this time. As I stated in another post, I think chances are good he stays at least one more year, but I would not be surprised if it turns out differently.
DISCLAIMER: I am a long time Panther fan that has been jilted by the one step forward/two steps back phenomena time and time again.
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 13, 2024 15:32:40 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't think he would want to uproot his son again after 2 years. He's getting to that age where growing up and making friends is important. Also, Bart being an older coach may not want to leave for something comparable. It's not like Bruce and the other 30 year olds that are trying to move up until they get the big job. That's just my two cents.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 13, 2024 15:44:18 GMT -6
Bart Lundy meet his wife in Milwaukee from his time at Marquette. I truly believe he loves Milwaukee and his staff. I also believe he feels his staff can recruit the state. My concern is his frustration in attendance. The Green Bay game was free tickets to UWM staff by an unnamed donor. Also, Major Goolsby's gave out a free ticket with a purchase of a $4 beer. Lundy said to the fact, people won't buy tickets but they buy beer.
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Post by buppie05 on Mar 13, 2024 16:01:59 GMT -6
Bart Lundy meet his wife in Milwaukee from his time at Marquette. I truly believe he loves Milwaukee and his staff. I also believe he feels his staff can recruit the state. My concern is his frustration in attendance. The Green Bay game was free tickets to UWM staff by an unnamed donor. Also, Major Goolsby's gave out a free ticket with a purchase of a $4 beer. Lundy said to the fact, people won't buy tickets but they buy beer. I bet we see an uptick in attendance next year, and if we keep winning it will keep going up. I remember in Jeters 2nd year, our 9 win year, I was still a student and going to most games. Early in the season attendance was still good (does someone have the numbers?) but as the season wore on, and it was clear we were really bad, people stopped coming. I would bet attendance has slowly March downward every season since then. BL now has to build it back up.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2024 16:48:42 GMT -6
"Hire a proven head coach from a lower level."
Short name. Starts with a B. Bo. Bruce. Bart ...
If/when Lundy leaves, that's a good place to start!
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Mar 13, 2024 16:58:03 GMT -6
I’m not too concerned about losing Bart Lundy this offseason. The only reason there was a real concern last year was that the Charlotte job opened up. Charlotte objectively had a much better season than Milwaukee this year; they’d seem to be fairly foolish to get rid of their interim coach.
Within our conference, I don’t think Lundy stands out as a top tier option for high majors yet. Calhoun, Nagy, and Horn have longer track records at this level, and Wicks may be more available at the mid major level because of his lower salary (see: pmck and Wardle). And as it has been mentioned previously, it sounds like the AD has learned that going after coaches with a track record of success as a head coach is important. A perfect storm kind of hit last offseason, and combine that with the fact we’ve dealt with the LaVall Jordan situation a few years back and the fact that the vacancy came up so late in the offseason, there was a reason for concern. I just don’t foresee that kind of storm hitting this offseason.
But I’d be in favor of a 2 year extension or something like that, to extend both his contract and the buyout. I’m not sure how Lundy would feel about that, as it would hurt his chances of getting a P6 job.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 13, 2024 17:21:16 GMT -6
I am all about trying to grow this program and its support (as I have for 25 years), but at the end of the day, athletics and the university in general (Mone, Braun, athletics staff) need to have the same desire and passion to grow and progress as an athletic department as much as the fans want to see athletics progress. It seems like at times that athletics does the bare minimum. Ticket sales, marketing and fundraising are all just a few of the many areas that need to improve. But year after year, those are some of the areas that haven't progressed.
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