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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 13, 2024 10:48:34 GMT -6
Guess we will see which low level power conference team will take him on. Mizzou or DePaul might be looking for players
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Post by Petes on Mar 13, 2024 11:32:04 GMT -6
I think you will be very surprised by how Oakland competes next week. Townsend will very likely be the most talented front court player in the game and can hold his own vs anyone in the country. They have 2 elite shooters who don’t just shoot well but shoot a ton and can get hot at any point and flip the game in 3-4 minutes. The zone can be tough to play against especially if you haven’t gone against it before. Lastly, Kampe is a good coach and will hold his own in any game. 36 percent is a good shooter? Townsend ain’t gonna get that whistle in the tourney that the HL refs give him. Their guards can’t handle the ball well. If we put the hard press on earlier we could have maybe stole the game. I think you’ll be surprised. 36% on almost 10 3s a game is elite. Being able to shoot that % on that many attempts where many of those shots are not great shots and low % shots. Is Grayson Allen a better shooter than curry because his % is higher? No because she shoots 5 open 3s a game while curry shoots 12 a game while being run off the ball and extreme difficulty in his shots. Good % at high quantity>> great % at low quantity. Horizon league refs helped Townsend so much that he averaged less in conference than he did for the 5 P6 teams he faced this year. T ranks PRPG which tried to measure impact of everything player had Townsend at 2.5 vs conference compared to 4.3 vs top 100 opponents this year. (For reference Noah reynolds was 4.2 for the year while Pratt was 2.3)
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Post by pantherfan21 on Mar 13, 2024 12:06:22 GMT -6
Guess we will see which low level power conference team will take him on. Mizzou or DePaul might be looking for players FSU potentially?
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Post by pantherfan21 on Mar 13, 2024 12:07:46 GMT -6
And if I’m going to speculate about Freeman, I just want to say he fully deserves the right to go look at all his options. Would love him back in a panthers uniform but can completely understand him leaving. Just putting my thoughts out
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Post by TBone on Mar 13, 2024 12:19:12 GMT -6
Guess we will see which low level power conference team will take him on. Mizzou or DePaul might be looking for players Mizzou took Gholston where he had a solid year, and I'd put BJ heads and tails above Dre offensively. There are a number of sub-par teams in power conferences, but also mid-tier or even upper-mid power conference teams could be a fit. BYU is the 5-seed in the Big 12, and I think he could be a big component for them. (Te'Jon transferred there from Milwaukee and played well) Would it be the best thing for him and his development where he'll have to compete more for minutes and play better defenders as well as offensive players? Maybe not. I'd only recommend he not go to a Pac-12 team as their conference schedule would be maddening.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 13, 2024 13:16:38 GMT -6
36 percent is a good shooter? Townsend ain’t gonna get that whistle in the tourney that the HL refs give him. Their guards can’t handle the ball well. If we put the hard press on earlier we could have maybe stole the game. I think you’ll be surprised. 36% on almost 10 3s a game is elite. Being able to shoot that % on that many attempts where many of those shots are not great shots and low % shots. Is Grayson Allen a better shooter than curry because his % is higher? No because she shoots 5 open 3s a game while curry shoots 12 a game while being run off the ball and extreme difficulty in his shots. Good % at high quantity>> great % at low quantity. Horizon league refs helped Townsend so much that he averaged less in conference than he did for the 5 P6 teams he faced this year. T ranks PRPG which tried to measure impact of everything player had Townsend at 2.5 vs conference compared to 4.3 vs top 100 opponents this year. (For reference Noah reynolds was 4.2 for the year while Pratt was 2.3) it’s not elite in college Allen also only shoots wide open 3s while Curry takes many many more difficult off the bounce. Under 40 percent is not elite in college. Not sure how shooting more matters? If anything it goes to show he’s just that guy. Guess we will see but clearly your take about Allen and curry shows you don’t actually watch the games for context purposes. Nephew take. Try watching more hoops and not cherry picking stats. The kid from Stetson is a better shooter then gohlke and he can get his own shot. If dude missed two of those 3s last night they lose the game as they’ve lost plenty this season. Tying your success to a scrub who you hope gets hot isn’t a reliable way to winning in the tournament. Plus doesn’t help he literally can’t dribble or make any sort of tough pass. He wouldn’t even play if they didn’t play that gimmick zone that only works in low mid major ball now.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 13, 2024 13:18:42 GMT -6
Guess we will see which low level power conference team will take him on. Mizzou or DePaul might be looking for players FSU potentially? probably the best league to go too for him. The others are much much tougher right now.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 13, 2024 14:18:31 GMT -6
Updated JS Online article including quotes about the game and potential for playing in the CBI or CIT:
UWM has no answer for Oakland's Trey Townsend, falls in Horizon League Tournament title game Todd Rosiak Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
A magical run to the championship game of the Horizon League Tournament ended abruptly for the UW-Milwaukee Panthers on Tuesday night.
Trey Townsend saw to that.
The reigning player of the year in the conference, the 6-foot-8, 228-pound Townsend took the top-seeded Oakland Golden Grizzlies on his broad shoulders and dominated on both ends with an NCAA Tournament berth on the line.
He put up a monster line of 38 points, 11 rebounds and five assists while playing all 40 minutes in sending the sixth-seeded Panthers to an 83-76 loss at Indiana Farmers Coliseum in Indianapolis.
"He did put them on his shoulders and made the winning plays to win a championship," said coach Bart Lundy. "I want to give all the credit possible to Oakland because they've been the best team all year. They've been the most consistent team all year, (coach Greg) Kampe has done a great job with that team and to me Trey Townsend was the best player."
UWM (20-15) entered having won six straight and eight of nine to advance to the conference tournament title game for the first time since 2017 and did almost enough to earn its first invitation to the NCAA Tournament in a decade.
Erik Pratt scored 16 points, Kentrell Pullian 15, BJ Freeman 14 and Langston Wilson 10, and the Panthers actually shot a hair better from the floor than the Golden Grizzlies (43.9% to 43.5%).
But they hit only 4 of 19 three-pointers – 1 of 9 in the decisive second half – attempted two fewer free throws than Oakland made (14 for 19 vs. 21 for 27) and managed only two baskets over the final 4 minutes 25 seconds to seal their fate.
Eight straight points by Wilson and a driving layup by Elijah Jamison gave UWM a 64-60 lead with 6:15 remaining in the game.
Then it was Townsend time.
Beginning with a putback of a missed three-pointer by Pewaukee product Jack Gohlke, the senior forward rattled off 14 consecutive points of his own.
His jump hook with 2:33 left gave Oakland a 72-70 lead it wouldn’t relinquish the rest of the way, and his life was made easier when Faizon Fields – UWM’s top interior presence – fouled out in the midst of his personal reign of terror.
The Panthers hung tough and got to within 74-72 on a fallaway jumper by Wilson at the 1:46 mark. But a Chris Conway putback of a rare Townsend miss made it a two-possession game and the Golden Grizzlies hit 7 of 8 free throws down the stretch to put UWM away.
The three final makes came from Townsend, who then blocked a three-point attempt from Pratt on the other end for the final dagger as Oakland completed its season sweep of UWM, 3-0, and claimed its first-ever Horizon League Tournament title.
Townsend hit 12 of 22 shots and 14 of 18 free throws.
"We thought going in that we could take away the threes and hopefully they couldn't make enough twos," Lundy said. "But in the end he fouled Faizon out. I thought maybe we had enough bodies to go at him, and he got 18 free throws.
"We were tied at 70-70 with 3 1/2 to play and he made every play from then on. We missed some shots, but on their end of the floor he made every play."
Gohlke finished with 15 points on 5-for-12 shooting from beyond the arc while Blake Lampman added 12 points and Conway 11 points and 10 rebounds.
Freeman had his run of 10 straight 20-point games halted after going 6 for 17 from the field, including 1 for 5 from beyond the arc, and 1 for 1 from the free-throw line.
He sat for a long stretch in the second half as first Pullian and then Wilson carried some of the scoring burden and logged 29 minutes in all -- just the second time since late January he failed to log at least 30.
"Oakland doubles everything that he does, and he was struggling a bit with it," said Lundy. "I brought him out to kind of get his mind right, which is not unusual for what we do. And we started playing well. It was as much him as it was me. He was like, 'Yeah, let this group play. They're doing well. Let's see what happens.'
"And then when we started to struggle a little bit offensively, I went back with him."
Freeman did set a new Horizon League Tournament scoring record on a layup with 11:14 remaining in the first half. That basket gave him 95 points, breaking the previous mark of 93 set by Xavier’s Byron Larkin in 1987.
Fields, who was so dominant inside with 16 points and 16 rebounds in the Panthers’ semifinal victory over Northern Kentucky, was saddled with two early fouls and limited to 8 minutes in the first half.
He finished with six points and six rebounds in 21 minutes against Oakland.
UWM leaned more heavily on Wilson and Aaron Franklin as a result and even tapped Darius Duffy and seldom-used freshman Simeon Murchison to try and combat Townsend and Conway.
Franklin in particular held his own despite giving up some height and also ended up as the Panthers’ third-leading scorer in the first half with six points in 16 minutes. But he suffered an ankle injury about 6 minutes into the second half and scored only one point the rest of the way while also being whistled for a technical foul.
"Aaron hurt his ankle pretty good," Lundy said. "But you could tell that Aaron and Darius just weren't completely in step with everything that we were doing. Just, being out for that long (with injuries; Franklin a broken wrist and Duffy a broken finger earlier in the season), and you get to this stage, you've got to play a really good game."
As for the Panthers' plans once they return from Indianapolis on Wednesday, Lundy was non-committal. The Panthers competed in the College Basketball Invitational last year and presumably they'd be welcomed back to that or another similar postseason tournament again.
"We're not sure what we're going to do," he said. "We'll talk to the players. We'll talk to the administration. And we'll see what the options are, and if there's a good option for us."
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Post by buppie05 on Mar 13, 2024 14:44:20 GMT -6
If I was BJ I would look at two options.
#1 run it back one more year and get your degree at UWM.
#2 go to Europe or someplace similar (Tel Aviv etc) and start your pro career. His game is pro ready for the European game and he could be a stud and get a nice payday. I’m not saying he’s not good enough to play in the NBA. I do think his game is more suited for Europe at this time. Go someplace like Barcelona and hook up with Spanish chicks sounds pretty good. That’s my 2 cents. Of course, I hope he comes back.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 13, 2024 14:50:28 GMT -6
I was at the Gasthaus last night Tell us about it. Did they have a good crowd to watch the game? Were those in attendance invested in the game? Did they stay the whole time?
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2024 15:23:43 GMT -6
I was at the Gasthaus last night Tell us about it. Did they have a good crowd to watch the game? Were those in attendance invested in the game? Did they stay the whole time? Did they shut down early? When they said that it's time to go and you answered, "But we're leading with five minutes left!" did they respond by saying, "Who's 'we?'"
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 13, 2024 15:33:43 GMT -6
513,000 for the Oakland-Milwaukee Horizon League Tournament final — up from Northern Kentucky-Cleveland State last year (460K)
We all agree the format of the dates stinks for fan travel, but the exposure is very solid for the league.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 13, 2024 15:36:13 GMT -6
I was at the Gasthaus last night Tell us about it. Did they have a good crowd to watch the game? Were those in attendance invested in the game? Did they stay the whole time? TMJ4 was from the Gasthaus. I have never been there. It looks like a nice place. Mostly all the tables looked filled on some of the camera shots.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2024 15:36:56 GMT -6
Have I mentioned that the technical on Franklin was ridiculous?! You can't have refs with rabbit ears working a title game!
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2024 15:40:23 GMT -6
By the way, special thanks to sports director Dario Melendez and Channel 12 for showing up to cover us on what could have been a special night! Nothing needs to be said about the other stations.
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