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Post by tyrunner0097 on Dec 14, 2023 11:35:44 GMT -6
Lundy has a proven track record of success. I'm not willing to give up on him. I will however say this. I hope our players study hard and get their degrees, because I didn't see anyone who would make it to a pro team, even a minor league pro team in a small country. It depends on who really wants to play. I don't think Ricky Franklin played any form of pro ball after he left, but Tiby & Austin Arians both played for a while in Europe. There are quite a lot of different levels of pro leagues in Spain, Italy, France, Greece.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 14, 2023 11:43:58 GMT -6
Lundy has a proven track record of success. I'm not willing to give up on him. I will however say this. I hope our players study hard and get their degrees, because I didn't see anyone who would make it to a pro team, even a minor league pro team in a small country. It depends on who really wants to play. I don't think Ricky Franklin played any form of pro ball after he left, but Tiby & Austin Arians both played for a while in Europe. There are quite a lot of different levels of pro leagues in Spain, Italy, France, Greece. FYI, Ricky played pro ball in Western Europe from 2010 until 2017.
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Post by TBone on Dec 14, 2023 12:07:35 GMT -6
Bummer to hear about Spencer. Let's hope it isn't actually career-ending. The fact that we had so many eggs in that basket without a solid backup is a telling point when it comes to recruiting. This team is horrific without a point guard. I liked what coach had to say. I was pretty surprised to the see the starting lineup. Encouraged, but shocked. I think it's telling that guys that were what...8th or 9th on the bench at the start of the season are now starting? I also liked the fact he used the word entitled for some of the guys that were here last year, and said that they may have been lacking the hunger they had last year. I've thought this exact thought for this team based on some of the early season performances. We were sold a team that had excellent shooters after scrimmages and early-season practices, but this team stinks at shooting, and the sample size isn't small at this point. 297th in the nation in field goal percentage and 278th in 3 point field goal percentage is not a team comprised of good shooters. We are missing the role player types of our glory years. The 03-06 era had the stars like the Tuckers, McCants, Boo, Dylan, Adrian, Ronnie but they also had the classic role player guys like Hill, Lettenberger, Mielke, McCoy, Pancratz, Wright, Ford, Frederick etc. Guys that knew who they were and what they could do to help the team. I dont see many currently besides Duffy, Gelo, maybe Learic. Don't forget Howell. He's the epitome of a role player guy that plays at max effort for the team IMHO. There are glue guys that don't have all the talent in the world, but build a culture of working hard and team mentality - and these guys are needed on a roster as well. It's finding the right combination that produces magic.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 14, 2023 12:18:38 GMT -6
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 14, 2023 12:19:53 GMT -6
Yeah I didnt include Zach due to him not playing yesterday but I would agree on him from a culture standpoint as well.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 14, 2023 14:41:32 GMT -6
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Post by panthersteve on Dec 14, 2023 17:37:34 GMT -6
Concerning injury situation does anyone know nature of Riek's injury, status, is he a redshirt candidate, etc
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Dec 14, 2023 17:41:33 GMT -6
Concerning injury situation does anyone know nature of Riek's injury, status, is he a redshirt candidate, etc I was under the assumption he was redshirting this year. Even if he could contribute, I don’t think he’s a ball handler or a post player, so I’m not sure how much he could help. And even that’s assuming he’s able to play at a D1 level right now.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 14, 2023 18:37:19 GMT -6
Concerning injury situation does anyone know nature of Riek's injury, status, is he a redshirt candidate, etc I was under the assumption he was redshirting this year. Even if he could contribute, I don’t think he’s a ball handler or a post player, so I’m not sure how much he could help. And even that’s assuming he’s able to play at a D1 level right now. Completely agree on all counts.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Dec 14, 2023 18:52:16 GMT -6
Still wondering why some of you are so convinced Bart is a good D1 coach? He couldnt win in the same conference as the team that ran us off the floor last night and he won in D2 which is hit or miss in regards to D1 success. The recruiting is the most worrying aspect of all of this, putting all your eggs into one dude is hilarious and just shows they dont get it. Its college hoops you can never have too many point guards. Instead we have a team full of combo guards who turn the ball over. Wouldnt mind MB, KP and EJ playing wayyyy less. Problem is we literally have no one else.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 14, 2023 19:10:09 GMT -6
I wouldn't say that this is "hilarious," but I agree with Reg on all counts. This year's class was an abject failure.
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Post by milwsport on Dec 14, 2023 20:48:33 GMT -6
Lundy has a proven track record of success. I'm not willing to give up on him. I will however say this. I hope our players study hard and get their degrees, because I didn't see anyone who would make it to a pro team, even a minor league pro team in a small country. It depends on who really wants to play. I don't think Ricky Franklin played any form of pro ball after he left, but Tiby & Austin Arians both played for a while in Europe. There are quite a lot of different levels of pro leagues in Spain, Italy, France, Greece. I was referring to the players I saw on the floor last night, not players from the past or those who are out with injury.
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Post by TBone on Dec 14, 2023 21:00:30 GMT -6
Still wondering why some of you are so convinced Bart is a good D1 coach? He couldnt win in the same conference as the team that ran us off the floor last night and he won in D2 which is hit or miss in regards to D1 success. The recruiting is the most worrying aspect of all of this, putting all your eggs into one dude is hilarious and just shows they dont get it. Its college hoops you can never have too many point guards. Instead we have a team full of combo guards who turn the ball over. Wouldnt mind MB, KP and EJ playing wayyyy less. Problem is we literally have no one else. I'm not convinced, and I'm not sure that anyone can truly say they're convinced at this point. But there are some that seem to be trending towards him being a dumpster fire too, and that's unfair. He did have some successful years at High Point, so to say he couldn't win in that conference isn't a true statement. In fact, other than his last year there - which was a total failure, he was 10-6, 7-9, 8-8, 11-3 and 8-6 in conference. Throw in the fact that was his first D1 job, he started there in his fifth year as a head coach overall, and he's done a LOT of coaching since then, and it's hard to compare that job to this job. EJ played a lot of point last year, so having him to backup Pierce at the point doesn't seem like as bad of a plan as it's turning out to be. Hindsight and all... I don't recall a coach here being that blunt about their players lack of preparation or hunger/heart. Calling out your players typically isn't the path to success, and I'm sure coach knows this. The fact he still did it speaks to a couple of things IMHO: he doesn't know how else to motivate the guys at this point and/or he's far more frustrated at the situation than he's letting on. The one saving grace is he basically had to pull a lot of guys from the portal to put a team together, and he didn't have as many options on the recruiting front. Hopefully, moving forward, he'll be more selective of the character of the kids he brings in. And as much of a train wreck as the season has been so far, we're still only 0-1 in the conference.
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Post by mattg on Dec 14, 2023 21:59:28 GMT -6
Still wondering why some of you are so convinced Bart is a good D1 coach? He couldnt win in the same conference as the team that ran us off the floor last night and he won in D2 which is hit or miss in regards to D1 success. The recruiting is the most worrying aspect of all of this, putting all your eggs into one dude is hilarious and just shows they dont get it. Its college hoops you can never have too many point guards. Instead we have a team full of combo guards who turn the ball over. Wouldnt mind MB, KP and EJ playing wayyyy less. Problem is we literally have no one else. EJ played a lot of point last year, so having him to backup Pierce at the point doesn't seem like as bad of a plan as it's turning out to be. Hindsight and all... I don't recall a coach here being that blunt about their players lack of preparation or hunger/heart. Calling out your players typically isn't the path to success, and I'm sure coach knows this. The fact he still did it speaks to a couple of things IMHO: he doesn't know how else to motivate the guys at this point and/or he's far more frustrated at the situation than he's letting on. The one saving grace is he basically had to pull a lot of guys from the portal to put a team together, and he didn't have as many options on the recruiting front. Hopefully, moving forward, he'll be more selective of the character of the kids he brings in. And as much of a train wreck as the season has been so far, we're still only 0-1 in the conference. And last year the lack of a lead guard was one of the most glaring weaknesses on the team the entire season. So thinking EJ could handle things at all on that front is just silly since he showed nothing in that regard last year. EJ was good as a low usage spot up 3pt guy, but that was obviously dubious because he has trash shooting form and he has regressed to the mean as a shooter. Obviously he has zero chops being a primary ball handler or guy who initiates offense, he just has nothing in that regard and just dribbles into the mid range and throws up tough fallaways and heavily contested floaters/runners while turning the ball over like 30% of his possessions. You cannot win games putting the ball in his hands, it's that simple. Also don't make stupid excuses about "he has to use the portal" and didn't have options. That's the biggest possible loser talk that exists. That's the reality for every single college coach. Get out there and recruit. Bart is worrying because he seems to just rely on recruiting 1 mediocre prep school, former D-2 players, and transfers who literally were never able to get minutes/be productive at their other schools. That screams so loudly that he just can't recruit at all. Get out there on the AAU circuit, hit the HS games, hire an assistant coach with ties to the Milwaukee area programs, do something because his current recruiting method is not D-1 caliber. We have played a bunch of bum ass schools that in theory should be tougher to recruit to than us, and they all have massively more skill and talent at the guard spot.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Dec 15, 2023 18:59:31 GMT -6
What about Bart Lundy? Was he there? Did he make the rounds among fans like last year? I didn't see him while I was there. Jimmy and J Ward were still there when I left, just after 10 I take the answer to my question as a "no" then.
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