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Post by buppie05 on Mar 11, 2022 11:57:29 GMT -6
I was slightly critical of JSP early in the season, but I warmed up to him. He’s a nice player, and did good for us. Still, I do feel he may struggle to see playing time next year no matter where he goes.
I wish him the best. I appreciate his dedication and playing for us during a bad time in our history. As a fellow UWM alumni, I would go out of my way to hire him if our paths crossed in the real world , given that he was qualified.
Us Panthers must stick together.
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Post by karnjojo on Mar 11, 2022 15:24:36 GMT -6
Reginaldkdwight, if this had been your only post about Joey, I wouldn't have felt compelled to comment. You called him a complete useless player in a previous post and some other very negative and harsh things that I'd rather not even reference. You pretty much singled him out on numerous occasions which I think was extremely unfair. One in particular stating that the team would win 3 more games if he stayed in Kenosha. I just think those comments were really over the top, unnecessary and pretty hurtful. Please don't reply back. No more needs to be said on this subject. Just get back to talking about the roster. This was a very disappointing year for the Panthers and I wish them much success next year.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 11, 2022 15:35:10 GMT -6
Reginaldkdwight, if this had been your only post about Joey, I wouldn't have felt compelled to comment. You called him a complete useless player in a previous post and some other very negative and harsh things that I'd rather not even reference. You pretty much singled him out on numerous occasions which I think was extremely unfair. One in particular stating that the team would win 3 more games if he stayed in Kenosha. I just think those comments were really over the top, unnecessary and pretty hurtful. Please don't reply back. No more needs to be said on this subject. Just get back to talking about the roster. This was a very disappointing year for the Panthers and I wish them much success next year. I forgive you, and you can call me Captain Fantastic
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Mar 11, 2022 17:42:31 GMT -6
So as of right now, here’s who we know isn’t returning, who very likely isn’t returning, and who is rumored to not return:
Not returning: Josh Thomas (exhausted eligibility) DeAndre Gholston (transfer) Joey St. Pierre (transfer) Samba Kane (left team)
All but official he’s not returning: Pat Baldwin, Jr.
Very likely not returning: Kyle Ross (likely transfer) Moses Bol (likely exhausted eligibility)
Probably not returning: Vin Baker, Jr. (rumored to transfer) Jordan Lathon (rumored to transfer)
That would leave the remaining players as follows:
Donovan Newby Devon Hankock Jasin Sinani Markeith Browning Tyler Ellingson Vincent Miszkiewicz Tafari Simms Nick Pappas
Obviously, there could be (and likely will be) more transfers coming with a new coach and the way the transfer portal is today. I am interested in seeing how some of these players perform with a better coach. Newby, Browning, and Simms, in particular, seem to have some good potential. Hankock and Sinani are still only going to be sophomores starting next year, so a good coach could move them forward too.
Obviously, there are some walk ons on this list who won’t contribute as much on the court as others, but I do think there is some potential in a lot of the remaining players to contribute. It doesn’t mean they’ll be stars or even starters, but if they can be rotation players on a good team, that could be huge.
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Mar 11, 2022 18:52:01 GMT -6
Baldwin and JSP are gone. Moving on....
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Mar 11, 2022 18:58:20 GMT -6
Would like if Newby and Hankock came back. Lathon has potential when he goes off the dribble but he settles for way too many jumpers IMO. Maybe new coaching could help that?
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Mar 11, 2022 19:32:58 GMT -6
Would like if Newby and Hankock came back. Lathon has potential when he goes off the dribble but he settles for way too many jumpers IMO. Maybe new coaching could help that? I think that was a problem with most of our team. I’m hoping that our next coach can set up an actual offensive game plan.
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Post by Petes on Mar 12, 2022 10:37:18 GMT -6
Lathon is gone as well
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Mar 12, 2022 11:48:46 GMT -6
He was a lot like Gholston. When he was on, he could be a major factor in winning a game. When he was off, he could lose a game singlehandedly. He’s another player I’d like to see with a real coach, but good luck to him!
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Post by mattg on Mar 16, 2022 20:16:47 GMT -6
Reginaldkdwight, if this had been your only post about Joey, I wouldn't have felt compelled to comment. You called him a complete useless player in a previous post and some other very negative and harsh things that I'd rather not even reference. You pretty much singled him out on numerous occasions which I think was extremely unfair. One in particular stating that the team would win 3 more games if he stayed in Kenosha. I just think those comments were really over the top, unnecessary and pretty hurtful. Please don't reply back. No more needs to be said on this subject. Just get back to talking about the roster. This was a very disappointing year for the Panthers and I wish them much success next year. Let me give JSP some advice considering he wants to continue to playing basketball in college at the D1 level it seems (and this info is useful to probably 95% of this forum who doesn't seem to grasp what I'm about to say).
Playing big guys in modern basketball only makes sense if they give you a MASSIVE advantage over your opponent rebounding wise AND defensively. If they do not give you that, it is going to be better to play a smaller player who has better handling/passing/shooting/perimeter defense but mostly they speed the game up by playing faster. Unfortunately, Joey flat out was not in good enough shape or simply not athletic enough to play in space defensively (the game is way too guard-centric and ball screen heavy to play guys who can't defend them) and not a good rebounder to justify being on the floor over another perimeter player. Additionally, UWM force fed Joey a lot of post ups offensively trying to take advantage of a "mismatch". Again, unfortunately this was actually a total mirage that poor coaches and uninformed fans fall victim to. Feeding post ups to players who can't reliably pass out of double teams/read a defense is just terrible offense. Post ups are already fairly inefficient in general, but when you can't even use it as an initial action to run offense through and effectively pass out of it, it's just a straight win for the defense EVERY TIME. Like posting up JSP because he's way bigger than his defender was always a win for the defense, they are baiting you into doing that because his post offense is way too inefficient to care about the size difference (plus if you are going to give up a layup you just foul him and he's 48%). And since I know someone will bring up his 59% FG percentage, take out his uncontested drop off dunks and he's below 50% on post ups, a legitimately bad shooter shooting a catch and shoot 3 is always better than that.
If JSP wants to have a better year playing somewhere else he needs to seriously get in better condition first. The college court is small, bigs should be able to hedge and recover on ball screens, you don't want to be a player who has to be exclusively hidden in a zone or drop. Also, being able to change ends as big is EVERYTHING. Gotta be able to sprint back and forth to put pressure on the defense offensively and also protect the paint defensively. If you can't do that you can't play. Second, if you want to get post ups and you don't have the deepest bag of moves like in Joey's case, you gotta be able to pass out of doubles, digging down, weak side shading.
As far as next year goes, hope to see more of Hanc*** and Newby. Building an offense around guys who actually show potential to shoot and who don't take absolutely brain dead shots seems like the smart choice. Real glad to see Gholston and Lathon leave, those dudes are losers with no basketball IQ, the team will get better just not playing those 2 big minutes.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 22, 2022 7:36:11 GMT -6
Lets keep clearing some roster spots. I am curious to see who Coach Lundy can add in the transfer portal. This roster needs to be infused with some talent.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 22, 2022 7:41:29 GMT -6
Steven Clay from Falls should be top on Lundy's list of kids to try to get in. I really like his game.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 22, 2022 7:51:44 GMT -6
Steven Clay from Falls should be top on Lundy's list of kids to try to get in. I really like his game. I agree. I think that would be a great add. It seems like there's some competition for him. But he hasn't committed anywhere yet, so maybe it is a possibility. I think we will need a healthy balance between transfers and high school commitments for the 2023 roster.
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Post by steveisback on Mar 22, 2022 9:10:35 GMT -6
Really nice player. Not sure based on some of the other offers and lateness of Bart coming into the conversation but he looks like a really nice player and more importantly wouldnt that be a great statement recruit to demonstrate we care about local kids.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 22, 2022 9:28:43 GMT -6
Lets keep clearing some roster spots. I am curious to see who Coach Lundy can add in the transfer portal. This roster needs to be infused with some talent. Would like to see Newby, Hanc***, Browning, Miszkiewicz, Sinani and Ross stick around. Assuming Gholston is gone, I'd be fine with a blank slate beyond that. Let Lundy bring in his own guys that fit his system.
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