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Post by mcdadenets50 on Apr 25, 2017 19:43:08 GMT -6
Milwaukee in the MVC means, to me, a better chance to improve the schedule. A better schedule opens up more recruiting doors. A move to the MVC is a no brainer (albeit a long shot) to me.
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Post by Pantherholic on Apr 25, 2017 20:12:34 GMT -6
Mark Adams (@enthusiadams) tweeted today that he heard we are a long shot. This should be our expectation at this point, unfortunately. In the context of the question, I believe he means we're a long shot for the 10th spot which shouldn't surprise anyone. If the Valley goes to 12, that's completely different. FWIW, Jon Rothstein said on his podcast today that Valpo has the lead over Murray State so who knows what'll happen.
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Post by JG Panthers on Apr 25, 2017 20:38:53 GMT -6
Mark Adams (@enthusiadams) tweeted today that he heard we are a long shot. This should be our expectation at this point, unfortunately. In the context of the question, I believe he means we're a long shot for the 10th spot which shouldn't surprise anyone. If the Valley goes to 12, that's completely different. FWIW, Jon Rothstein said on his podcast today that Valpo has the lead over Murray State so who knows what'll happen. Ok. I didn't read it that way 'holic, but you may be right. Wish I could post the convo easier on here view smartphone. No question Valpo should be the favorite. Despite their mediocre (at best) facilities, they have been the most consistently competitive program.
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Post by Pantherholic on Apr 26, 2017 6:35:04 GMT -6
Ok. I didn't read it that way 'holic, but you may be right. Wish I could post the convo easier on here view smartphone. No question Valpo should be the favorite. Despite their mediocre (at best) facilities, they have been the most consistently competitive program. The biggest problem with this wave of realignment is we have no clue how many teams they're looking to add. Some think one, others think it could be three and an article from a few weeks ago indicated it could be up to four. I understand why no one is talking but it obviously leads to more frustration in the mean time.
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Post by PantherNation on Apr 26, 2017 7:22:55 GMT -6
I'm not anticipating any sort of move. That's just my personal opinion. I also think we're likely going to be without Valpo regardless of whether they add 1 or 3 teams. I guess having no wins in the NCAA tournament since 1998 goes a long way since they are able to fill up a glorified high school gym! Don't get me wrong... I'd love to get 5K at a Panther game on a consistent basis.
But if they do decide to go with 3 teams, I think Omaha will get the edge over us. Which is unfortunate but we'll survive. Let's focus on finishing top 3 in the HL on a regular basis before we expect too many offers for "better" leagues coming our way. If Valpo does leave, we need to capitalize and work our butts off to build a winning culture. I think we have the pieces in place right now but it's going to take more than promise to get offers. If we don't, NKU might be the next team to leave the league and not us.
And we can all blame the students, alumni, and general sports fans for being stuck in a mediocre league right now. We have what... 25K students and how many hundreds of thousands alumni in the area? If we could get a fraction of them to show up to games and make Panther Arena a true home court advantage... we'd be getting some serious looks from other leagues. But having a large enrollment does no good when 30 students show up to games and the rest of the fans are afraid to make any sort of noise aside from clapping when we score a bucket.
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Post by JG Panthers on Apr 26, 2017 7:29:47 GMT -6
The biggest problem with this wave of realignment is we have no clue how many teams they're looking to add. Some think one, others think it could be three and an article from a few weeks ago indicated it could be up to four. I understand why no one is talking but it obviously leads to more frustration in the mean time. Agreed. You have to figure MVC is looking at their next addition(s) now as well. Missouri State had been rumored to be considering a move to the Sun Belt and a jump up to Division 1 football (despite their horrid on-field performance).
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Apr 26, 2017 7:36:11 GMT -6
I'm not going to rip on Valpo, but the lovefest for them is odd. 3,086 they averaged per game last season. Not bad. I guess the Bryce Drew shot versus Ole Miss replay the networks always show goes a long way. I would be shocked if they are not the 10th team to the MVC in 2017-18 season.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Apr 26, 2017 7:45:48 GMT -6
By Mark Adams
A source close to the negotiations between the Missouri Valley Conference and potential new members has confirmed that MVC officials are visiting multiple campuses this week, The Murray State Racers from the OVC are the probable top choice to replace Wichita State who left the MVC for the American Athletic Conference earlier this month.
Other site visits have been confirmed for this week as MVC officials will visit Valparaiso University and University of Nebraska-Omaha later this week in addition to the site visit at Murray State which has already occurred on Monday in Murray, KY.
If the MVC decides to expand beyond 10 members (including Murray State) both Valpo out of the Horizon League and Omaha out of the Summit League appear to be the leading candidates to join The Valley. Milwaukee is also being considered and their campus will also be visited this week.
The source indicated that the conference and the potential new members are discussing a relationship that would begin in the 2017-18 season for all sports.
The MVC has a regularly scheduled basketball coaches spring meeting on May 3, 2017. A final decision is expected before mid-May.
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Post by Pantherholic on Apr 26, 2017 8:41:46 GMT -6
I'm not going to rip on Valpo, but the lovefest for them is odd. 3,086 they averaged per game last season. Not bad. I guess the Bryce Drew shot versus Ole Miss replay the networks always show goes a long way. I would be shocked if they are not the 10th team to the MVC in 2017-18 season. Since the '11-'12 season they've had 2 NCAA appearances, 2 NIT appearances, 2 conference tournament championships and have won outright or shared 5 regular season championships. That's a good resume.
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Post by PantherNation on Apr 26, 2017 9:06:11 GMT -6
I'm not going to rip on Valpo, but the lovefest for them is odd. 3,086 they averaged per game last season. Not bad. I guess the Bryce Drew shot versus Ole Miss replay the networks always show goes a long way. I would be shocked if they are not the 10th team to the MVC in 2017-18 season. Since the '11-'12 season they've had 2 NCAA appearances, 2 NIT appearances, 2 conference tournament championships and have won outright or shared 5 regular season championships. That's a good resume. Not denying their success. But you can't give them credit for 2 NCAA tournament appearances and 2 conference tournament titles. They're the same thing. Same goes for the regular season championships and NIT appearances. Double counting those. Carry on.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Apr 26, 2017 9:08:51 GMT -6
I'm not going to rip on Valpo, but the lovefest for them is odd. 3,086 they averaged per game last season. Not bad. I guess the Bryce Drew shot versus Ole Miss replay the networks always show goes a long way. I would be shocked if they are not the 10th team to the MVC in 2017-18 season. Since the '11-'12 season they've had 2 NCAA appearances, 2 NIT appearances, 2 conference tournament championships and have won outright or shared 5 regular season championships. That's a good resume. Without question! My part was more on they don't average 5,000 per game and have not done anything in the NCAA Tourney since 1998. UWM in the non-glory times since 2011 has a three postseason births, NCAA, NIT and CBI.
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Post by FTA1982 on Apr 26, 2017 13:16:29 GMT -6
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Post by Super King on Apr 26, 2017 14:59:25 GMT -6
The MVC is nothing without Wichita regardless of who they add. UNI brings visibility but that's it. Evansville, Illinois State, and Drake won't put people in the seats. Sorry.
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Post by steveisback on Apr 26, 2017 15:18:48 GMT -6
The thing is though that the HL continues to erode. Loyola left to MVC, Valpo likely to follow. Who is going to replace them, IUPUI or Indiana Fort Wayne?? Who is next, Chicago State?? NOt saying these are marquee names but would like the likes of Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Drake, Missouri State, Bradley and Illinois State over the Oakland, Youngstown State, Cleveland State, UIC Northern Kentucky's of the world and who knows what is next?
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Post by JG Panthers on Apr 26, 2017 15:25:11 GMT -6
The MVC is nothing without Wichita regardless of who they add. UNI brings visibility but that's it. Evansville, Illinois State, and Drake won't put people in the seats. Sorry. It doesn't matter what conference we're in. If we can't have sustained success, attendance won't reach its potential. Being in the MVC would attract a better caliber athlete and energize the donor base.
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