Lutzow10
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MILWAUKEE PROUD - PANTHER STRONG
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Post by Lutzow10 on Sept 24, 2014 12:07:13 GMT -6
The last sentence is somewhat promising if any solace is to be taken from this article. I wish there was more articulation on that thought.
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Post by Super King on Sept 24, 2014 15:23:20 GMT -6
They don't have to demolish anything other than the Bradley center. There is an enormous empty lot ACROSS THE STREET from the BC and another enormous empty lot across the street from there. Build the arena in the one lot, build the entertainment complex in the other, and put a parking garage where the BC is. WHY IS THIS SO HARD
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Post by Super King on Sept 24, 2014 15:34:01 GMT -6
If I'm UWM administration and they actually plan to tear down the arena I sue to prevent it, quite frankly. You absolutely cannot put the Bucks, Marquette, the Admirals, the Wave, the Panthers, the SportsShow, the circus, and roller derby all in the same arena at the same time. What a stupid idea.
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Post by PantherU on Sept 24, 2014 17:31:17 GMT -6
This couldn't be the obvious reason, could it? Do you think it is, that Uihlein doesn't know or care about where UWM falls in his scenario?
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Sept 24, 2014 18:37:35 GMT -6
If I'm UWM administration and they actually plan to tear down the arena I sue to prevent it, quite frankly. You absolutely cannot put the Bucks, Marquette, the Admirals, the Wave, the Panthers, the SportsShow, the circus, and roller derby all in the same arena at the same time. What a stupid idea. Yes, the UWM Panther Arena needs to be saved to house the Admirals. The new arena should be a basketball only facility. Building an arena to accommodate hockey ruins the seating bowl for basketball. The Bradley Center was built on NHL dreams, but that ship has sailed. The Admirals are worth keeping, but they don't need the Bradley Center, and Panther Arena is less expensive to maintain.
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Post by Pantherholic on Sept 24, 2014 19:39:35 GMT -6
Yes, the UWM Panther Arena needs to be saved to house the Admirals. The new arena should be a basketball only facility. Building an arena to accommodate hockey ruins the seating bowl for basketball. The Bradley Center was built on NHL dreams, but that ship has sailed. The Admirals are worth keeping, but they don't need the Bradley Center, and Panther Arena is less expensive to maintain. So an NBA team's stadium should not cater to hockey but the UWM Panther Arena, whose primary tenant is a basketball team, should cater to a hockey?
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Post by ghostofdylan on Sept 24, 2014 20:05:27 GMT -6
I don't see anything all that wrong with GB's post.
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Post by BBFran on Sept 24, 2014 21:52:26 GMT -6
Super King has nailed it for the most part. My only quibble is that a suit would do UWM no good as far as keeping the Arena. There might be an opportunity for some damages, however.
Look, if they tear down both the BC and the Arena to build this idiotic NBA palace, we will be back in the Klotsche unless we find our own sugar daddy to build an actual college basketball arena on the east side. We would be at best fourth in line for scheduling in a one arena space. Anyone want to come see us play at 10 am on Sundays? How about a steady diet of Monday evenings during football season?
As SK said, this is simple. You build the Billionaires' Boys Club on the vacant space north of the BC. You then tear down the BC, which otherwise will be nothing but a money drain competing poorly with the new arena. You keep the Arena, which competes in a totally different space at about half or less of the effective seating capacity of the BBC. In other words, it doesn't compete -- it just provides the right-sized venue for Panther basketball and a lot of other events that have no need for Skybox City.
My fond hope is that all this new venue talk implodes and the Bucks head for Seattle or Vegas or wherever the billionaires, the league and the players actually want them anyway.
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Sept 25, 2014 5:40:13 GMT -6
Yes, the UWM Panther Arena needs to be saved to house the Admirals. The new arena should be a basketball only facility. Building an arena to accommodate hockey ruins the seating bowl for basketball. The Bradley Center was built on NHL dreams, but that ship has sailed. The Admirals are worth keeping, but they don't need the Bradley Center, and Panther Arena is less expensive to maintain. So an NBA team's stadium should not cater to hockey but the UWM Panther Arena, whose primary tenant is a basketball team, should cater to a hockey? What are you changing to allow hockey? Your Arena is already built, and you don't own it.
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Sept 25, 2014 5:44:44 GMT -6
At what point do we just learn to ignore gbbbisback? #troll Please point out what part of my post offended you. I show just cause to keep the arena you prefer to play at and you consider that trolling?
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Sept 25, 2014 9:11:58 GMT -6
I really don't think GB was trying to troll here guys.
The Arena was built a long time ago and the Admirals used to be tenants anyway. We're not going to be changing it to fit hockey or anything.
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Post by Super King on Sept 25, 2014 12:13:49 GMT -6
They would have to tear down half the buildings there to build an arena, and still be left with post-apocalyptic looking empty real estate that the city will spend two decades begging developers to fill
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Post by BBFran on Sept 25, 2014 14:24:24 GMT -6
Reading between the lines of an interesting luncheon conversation I had today with a player in this I would say the focus is indeed on the Arena/JS/BC area. I'm not happy to hear that, to say the least, but there was one funny moment when the question arose about where the Bucks would play if the BC was coming down and the new building was going up at least in part in the same space. One wag said "They could play their games at the Al Center that year," to which another replied "What would they do with all the extra seating?"
One of the things that bugs me about this whole thing is the "If you build it, they will come" assumption.
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Post by skrapheap on Sept 25, 2014 15:44:59 GMT -6
If the Bucks plan to displace the Panthers in order to build a new arena to satisfy the NBA's requirements, I'd go along with that provided that the Bucks paid for a new place for the Panthers to play as well.
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Post by Super King on Sept 25, 2014 19:33:31 GMT -6
I like the idea of a larger quasi-public entertainment complex with restaurants, stores, markets, green space, a movie theater, maybe a ferris wheel or something, in addition to the new arena. If the public is going to be grifted into investing tax dollars into the project, they should get something out of it that can be used more than just by ticketholders from 8-10pm November thru June. If you recall, way back when, this sort of thing was the plan for the vacant Pabst Brewery before Mark Belling et al opened their mouths about the "hoodlums" that would come. I assume that's also what Uihlein has in mind, if 3 buildings would need to be demolished for his vision to come true. It's just that there's a way to do it that wouldn't necessitate tearing down two nice serviceable buildings, one that's practically a historical landmark.
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